Pope to make universal indult for the Old Mass

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Podo your signature line is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.
Dear, you can tell that you weren’t even born in the 70’s and a baby in the 80’s.

The church slipped after VII and has just begun to rise back up.
Even the most liberal, modernist DRE will tell you that people were so lost after Vatican II that an entire generation was MIA in learning the Catechism.

We are just starting to recover the hijacking of Vatican II, by the “Spirit of Vatican II”.

I think it was Churchill that said, “If your 20 and a conservative, you have no heart. If you are 40 and a liberal, you have no brain.”

Give yourself a few years and you will understand.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Podo your signature line is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.
Dear, you can tell that you weren’t even born in the 70’s and a baby in the 80’s.

The church slipped after VII and has just begun to rise back up.
Even the most liberal, modernist DRE will tell you that people were so lost after Vatican II that an entire generation was MIA in learning the Catechism.

We are just starting to recover the hijacking of Vatican II, by the “Spirit of Vatican II”.

I think it was Churchill that said, “If your 20 and a conservative, you have no heart. If you are 40 and a liberal, you have no brain.”

Give yourself a few years and you will understand.
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Obviously, I’m cursed with an overabundance of brains as I’ve never been liberal at any age. :whistle:

Podo’s just a teenager. She knows it all. Didn’t we all at that age?
 
Dr. Bombay:
Obviously, I’m cursed with an overabundance of brains as I’ve never been liberal at any age. :whistle:

Podo’s just a teenager. She knows it all. Didn’t we all at that age?
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Oh! Why I’m sorry. You are, of course correct. Yeah, that’s right, sure.

(the signature still makes me laugh)
 
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Podo2005:
I read that passage and it still doesn’t say that we should face east to serve the Lord! The Lord is present everywhere! And you are wrong because Ad Orientem isn’t the norm in the Novus ordo mass( The NORM of the Roman Catholic Church) The Priest faces the people (versus populum).
And to all those who think that it’s not FAIR that there isn’t a universal indult… You obviously don’t trust the teachings of the Church(Let alone the Lord) do you? Or is it because you are afraid of change? Change can be a very effective thing and is neccesary when a council goes overboard…
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Have you ever read an altar Missal. The NORM for the Novus Ordo is Ad Orientem, just read the Missal, it is implied.

Pick up a Latin Novus Ordo Altar Missal and it will imply it. Did you know that Latin is also the norm for the Novus Ordo Missal.

When Pope St. Gregory the Great said to Ignore the Second Constantople Council, was he not following the teachings of the Church? After all he is a saint and a pope.

Podo, if you are interested, I suggest you pick up The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy by Fr. Adrian Fortescue.
 
Interesting signature Podo. Have you even bother reading the documents of the Council of Trent. What would Pope St. Pius V think of that?

Here some anathemae:
Canon 3.If anyone says that the sacrifice of the mass is only of praise and thanksgiving; or that it is a mere commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross but not a propitiatory one; or that it profits him only who receives, and ought not to be offered for the living and the dead, for sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities, let him be anathema.
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Canon 7.If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema
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Canon 9.If anyone says that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vernacular tongue only; or that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice because it is contrary to the institution of Christ, let him be anathema.
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Just so you folks know, you are arguing with a fourteen (14) year old whose body bones are not yet even solidified, to say nothing of his intellect. :eek:

He’ll grow out of it. Just be patient.
As my Dad said…I wish I knew today half of what I thought I knew when I was a teenager.
 
Dr. Bombay:
Nah, I think I’ve captured the essence of the English-only Mass fanatics perfectly, if I do say so myself. They remind me of the Puritans who were always in a dither because they knew in their hearts that somewhere, somebody was having a good time. These people can’t be happy with their English Mass. No, they’re miserable because they know somewhere, somebody is attending a Latin Mass.

No one’s going to take your English Mass away from ya. Now, stop worrying about Latin and pay attention. A stranger wants to hold your hand and say the Our Father. :tsktsk:
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I guess I just haven’t encountered many english-only Mass people. All the families that I know think the Latin Mass is fine if that’s what you’re into, but they prefer the Mass in english. On the other hand, I have run across many Latin Mass only people who really seem to think that the Mass in English is inferior. I guess it’s just who you know.

Back to my original point…I just don’t see the Church making grand changes for what amounts to a tiny number of Catholics worldwide.

As for the hand-holding, we don’t have that at our parish.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Podo your signature line is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.
Dear, you can tell that you weren’t even born in the 70’s and a baby in the 80’s.

The church slipped after VII and has just begun to rise back up.
Even the most liberal, modernist DRE will tell you that people were so lost after Vatican II that an entire generation was MIA in learning the Catechism.

We are just starting to recover the hijacking of Vatican II, by the “Spirit of Vatican II”.

I think it was Churchill that said, “If your 20 and a conservative, you have no heart. If you are 40 and a liberal, you have no brain.”

Give yourself a few years and you will understand.
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Ok Why is my signature funny? The church did mess up at the council of trent and regained our actually church after vatican II. people who say that just don’t agree with The Church.
Another one of the biggest errors of Trent was Communion under the form of bread alone: Jesus said " Take eat, this is my body, take drink this is my blood, Therefore what excuse do you have not to drink from the cup? You won’t get sick trust me… all this talk about being afraid to recieve our Lord when he said we had to recieve both his.
Tell me some errors from Vatican II since you insist that the Church slipped from there. But answer me this, don’t you think Vatican II was intended for us by God( God speaks through the Church).

Podo
 
Dr. Bombay:
Obviously, I’m cursed with an overabundance of brains as I’ve never been liberal at any age. :whistle:

Podo’s just a teenager. She knows it all. Didn’t we all at that age?
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I just want to clarify that I am NOT a liberal, but at the same time not an old fashioned pre vatican II catholic.
BTW where do you get the impression that I am a woman? I am a man who puts full trust into the Church’s teachings and the Teachings of Our Lord.

Podo
 
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Podo2005:
Ok Why is my signature funny? The church did mess up at the council of trent and regained our actually church after vatican II. people who say that just don’t agree with The Church.
Another one of the biggest errors of Trent was Communion under the form of bread alone: Jesus said " Take eat, this is my body, take drink this is my blood, Therefore what excuse do you have not to drink from the cup? You won’t get sick trust me… all this talk about being afraid to recieve our Lord when he said we had to recieve both his.
Tell me some errors from Vatican II since you insist that the Church slipped from there. But answer me this, don’t you think Vatican II was intended for us by God( God speaks through the Church).

Podo
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First paragraph = unintelligible.

Second paragraph = heresy.

Third paragraph = historically ignorant.

Sig = it’s/its error
 
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Podo2005:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT a liberal, but at the same time not an old fashioned pre vatican II catholic.
BTW where do you get the impression that I am a woman? I am a man who puts full trust into the Church’s teachings and the Teachings of Our Lord.

Podo
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Did you change your birthday in your profile? I swear it used to say you were 15.
 
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Ham1:
Back to my original point…I just don’t see the Church making grand changes for what amounts to a tiny number of Catholics worldwide.
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I think this is false. Because all those who want the Tridentine or who would be interested in experiencing and participating in it don’t have there own “Una Voce” or “Latin-Mass-Society” doesn’t mean it is a minority. I believe there far more who want it than people suspect.

Also, what the Tridentine would do for the church could be big. Now i’m not going to make an idiotic statement like “Bring back the mass and all the churches problems will be solved” I do not think it is that easy.

What I do think is… Bring back the mass and we are taking a huge step forward. We certainly need this to happen. Standing still and trying to make minor changes to the current mass obviously isn’t working.

I recall our former Holy Ecumenical Pontiff of blessed memory saying we have a duty to report abuses inside the church. So now what this tells me (if the Universal Indult does happen) is, apperently the abuses have flooded the Bishops and the Vatican and what most lay people already know is finally reaching those who can do something about it.

This isn’t to say that Liturgical abuses can’t happen in the Tridentine. I’m sure alot of Pre-Vat II folk have seen them (Even though they were somewhat rare at that time). But to those will choose the Tridentine and the congregation who really wants it… the preist will have to abide by the truth if they want to keep parishoners. Quite simply… those who will want said Mass obviously have had enough of the NO and want substance & beautiful theology in there liturgy.

I suggest those who care, to read the ordinary of 1962. It would be beautiful in the Vernacular! But I do see a strong need to conserve the Latin language.

That’s my two cents. Hope it made… sense.
 
Some good points here…

I think that cleaning up the current Mass will be the main focus. It is happening already with many many good young priests and good seminaries. We also have many great new bishops in this country. It will take time, but all things do. In 20 years, I would expect the liturgy will be quite as it was originally intended to be. I know it is in my parish and several of our surrounding parishes because of good young priests…and I don’t even live in a particularly “excellent” diocese.
 
Ah - here we go:

forums.catholic-questions.org/member.php?userid=6307

Birthday:
April 3, 1991 Biography:
former captain of altar servers, teen with lots of knowledge for age lol Location:
Cold Horrible Quebec Interests:
hockey,reading going to laronde Occupation:
student Religion:
Roman Catholic

So you got tired of nobody taking you seriously as a 14 year old, so you re-registered as a 24 year old?
 
Scotty PGH:
So you got tired of nobody taking you seriously as a 14 year old, so you re-registered as a 24 year old?
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It gets better. In this thread Podo2004 actually responds to a question posed by Podo2005. Hilarious! :rotfl:

James
 
Scotty PGH:
Ah - here we go:

forums.catholic-questions.org/member.php?userid=6307

Birthday:
April 3, 1991 Biography:
former captain of altar servers, teen with lots of knowledge for age lol Location:
Cold Horrible Quebec Interests:
hockey,reading going to laronde Occupation:
student Religion:
Roman Catholic

So you got tired of nobody taking you seriously as a 14 year old, so you re-registered as a 24 year old?
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Not saying you have crossed the line, but we should maintain charity.

This individual obviously felt (if this is true) that making him or her self older would give him or her more credibility.

I do not condone lying, nor does our Lord, so i think i’m in good company.
 
Scotty PGH:
Ah - here we go:

forums.catholic-questions.org/member.php?userid=6307

Birthday:
April 3, 1991 Biography:
former captain of altar servers, teen with lots of knowledge for age lol Location:
Cold Horrible Quebec Interests:
hockey,reading going to laronde Occupation:
student Religion:
Roman Catholic

So you got tired of nobody taking you seriously as a 14 year old, so you re-registered as a 24 year old?
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At least he admits it.
 
Because I don’t want to make another Latin Mass thread, here’s something hot off the presses…

**Vatican official foresees broader use of Latin Mass **

Rome, Sep. 26 (CWNews.com) - An influential Vatican official believes that Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) could soon expand permission for priests throughout the world to celebrate Mass using the Tridentine rite.

However, Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez cautions that serious doctrinal issues, as well as liturgical questions, must be resolved before the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) can be fully reconciled with the Holy See.

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39826
 
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Podo2005:
I am a man who puts full trust into the Church’s teachings and the Teachings of Our Lord.
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Really? Then how do you reconcile this statement, which you just posted:
The church did mess up at the council of trent and regained our actually church after vatican II…one of the biggest errors of Trent was Communion under the form of bread alone.
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This, dare I say, is heresy.
Tell me some errors from Vatican II since you insist that the Church slipped from there. But answer me this, don’t you think Vatican II was intended for us by God( God speaks through the Church).
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There were no errors in Vatican II. Netmil(name removed by moderator) never said there were. Yes, God does “speak through the Church”, which includes Her Councils. He did so through Vatican II, and He did so at Trent, etc. Come on now, you need to stop this…

Like you, I have known nothing but the post-conciliar Church, yet I do not spew these ridiculous condemnations with no basis. If you insist on doing so, please offer some support for your seemingly heretical views.
 
Thought i’d post something that is in a way pertaining to the current topic.

Before

After

See the difference? Disappointing that EWTN would edit the latter.
 
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