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antimon
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that’s from Psalm 150. Sounds like “modern” music was OK for king David
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Fixed.
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chris_molter
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King David was never present at the Holy Sacrifice of the Massthat’s from Psalm 150. Sounds like “modern” music was OK for king David
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robertsall
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My Reply to this is
Praise Him with loud cymbals and harps and voices let all this is with in me
Praise Ye the Lord
Robert Sall
Praise Him with loud cymbals and harps and voices let all this is with in me
Praise Ye the Lord
Robert Sall
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johnstown_johnn
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King David was never present at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
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blacktiger057
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What is wrong with choosing the Mass you go to in accordance with the type of music that is played? The modern music at my church is something I really enjoy, and it helps me enjoy the Mass more and get “in tune” with God. Music is just another form of worship. Greg chant is okay, but I think that banning all the nice modern music out of all churches is abusing the power of the pope.
I miss Pope JP2 sooooooooo much now, more than ever
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MH84
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I dont know about you, but the more innovations there are, the more I feel the focus of the congregation is on them, and not on the Eucharist.What is wrong with choosing the Mass you go to in accordance with the type of music that is played? The modern music at my church is something I really enjoy, and it helps me enjoy the Mass more and get “in tune” with God. Music is just another form of worship. Greg chant is okay, but I think that banning all the nice modern music out of all churches is abusing the power of the pope.
I miss Pope JP2 sooooooooo much now, more than ever
Also, I dont want to express this in too negative a way, but having such upbeat music in the church doesnt put people in a mode of repentance of sins, or it may encourage others to lighten up their attitude towards the Blessed Sacrament.
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blacktiger057
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Actually it depends more on which key the song is in, major or minor. Eagles Wings is actually very beautiful, and sounds great with a modern touch to it. We have an excellant band at our church. And it also helps even me appreciate and give thanks to God. Gregorian Chant just doesn’t do that. Modern music encourages us to give thanks and, since this is a modern age with modern people, I actually keep my thoughts on God when we are singing cool songs.
If we make the music dull, then this will not get people to focus on Jesus. For most people, dull music makes themm think “Has it been an hour yet?” Modern music helps us actually enjoy the celebration. Worship should not be boring and always serious. Why is it so terrible to have fun and be modern in the Church?
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Sarabande
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I think this is very true. Some parishes just can’t afford trained musicians. (BTW - there are plenty of extremely competant, talented and some brilliant musicians who never got degrees in music. They studied all of their lives and received excellent training and some know more than the average degreed musician. I know quite a few and I’m a prof. musician and “hang” in those circles.) Other parishes can, but will not spend the money for it. I’m very fortunate where I cantor. I’m a classically-trained musician and singer and I get paid where I cantor. I only know of a handful of parishes in my area that do pay their cantors. Our organist and choir director is one of the most talented musicians in the city. (He is one who actually doesn’t have a degree, but I can tell you he can out-do practically any musician or organist out there with his ability… there’s a reason he has one of the most coveted organ positions in town.) Because of his talent and ability, he does wonders with the volunteer choir. But I know that other parishes are not as blessed and have rather “banal” music programs.I am a member of the choir in my NO parish. I feel extremely fortunate that our choir director is TRAINED in liturgical music. I wonder if that is the problem in many parishes: the music ministry is handled by volunteers who are not formally trained (i.e., have degrees in music).
Just out of curiosity: how many of your parishes have professional full time music directors? That might be a a significant factor in the banality of music at your parish.
Yes, but we’re not hearing it or it is not being promoted. In another thread this was discussed. There are definitely very talented and able composers today and some of us know them personally, but they are not being performed or promoted.
Well, it’s not just that. This is the Church’s ideal of Sacred music. Chant was only for sacred use from the time before the Christians. The Gregorian chant had led to the development of polyphony and western music theory in general, and inspired composers of later centuries, but it is one form which I don’t believe ever was incorporated for secular use. This is probably one of the reasons why it is so esteemed and highly valued within the Church. I’m also not saying that mass should only have chant and nothing else. I love our vast collection of sacred music from all centuries. But it is wonderful that there is a form of music purely for sacred use. You really can’t set a secular text to it. Well, I guess you can, but it would be strange.
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I can respect your opinion, however I see things very different. I see comparing modern music to Gregorian Chant is like comparing a G.I Joe figurine to Michelangelo’s Pieta. You can say that the G.I. Joe is more fun than the Pieta, yet the comparison show would show the lack of appreciation and knowledge of true art.
Another thing to mention is that the Gregorian Chant “lyrics” are the very same words of the Mass, where as modern music is often very far from anything of the sort.
If you want my opinion, Gregorian Chant is far more beautiful and prone to elevate one’s mind to God than anything modern music has been able to produce, and is thus more suitible for our Liturgy…and if you want the Church’s opinion, read any document on the matter that She has ever put forth and you will see that She is in agreement, (or rather, I am in agreement with Her).
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From His Holiness Pope John Paull II:I miss Pope JP2 sooooooooo much now, more than ever
CHIROGRAPH
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II
FOR THE CENTENARY
OF THE MOTU PROPRIO
"TRA LE SOLLECITUDINI’
ON SACRED MUSIC
It’s a good read.
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Lily_Marlene
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Deo gratias! Long live Benedict XVI. Worship is all about God, praising, thanking, adoring, honoring and loving Him. For generations we have selected music with a "feel good"attititude. Selections have often been “all about me” especially at the time of reception of Christ in the Sacrament of Love. :
Oh, how I wish it reaches every single parish so we can again be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church in a musical sense, at least.
:blessyou
Lily Marlene
Oh, how I wish it reaches every single parish so we can again be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church in a musical sense, at least.
:blessyou
Lily Marlene
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Nagoda
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oh this article makes me sad
why must we cling to music that is dead and outdated… and why must we repalce it with music that does not capture the beauty that this outdated music has? i wish we had liturgy like the melkites- arabian music arabioan scales the entire mass is sung. its absolutely beautiful. but we could introduce drums piano and even electric guitar into sacred music…as long as it doesnt sound like a requiem mass every sunday and a dirge which is one of the problems ive always found with music at mass. im all for modern music but we have yet to use it properly to capture the beauty of the mass. and the baroque and chant is so old and dying… we need a new bach or somebody here
one of these days i must orchestrate a rock instrumental version of tantum ergo, complete with slide guitar and alto sax (for my own amusement of course- or maybe theyd like it for a wyd?)!
why must we cling to music that is dead and outdated… and why must we repalce it with music that does not capture the beauty that this outdated music has? i wish we had liturgy like the melkites- arabian music arabioan scales the entire mass is sung. its absolutely beautiful. but we could introduce drums piano and even electric guitar into sacred music…as long as it doesnt sound like a requiem mass every sunday and a dirge which is one of the problems ive always found with music at mass. im all for modern music but we have yet to use it properly to capture the beauty of the mass. and the baroque and chant is so old and dying… we need a new bach or somebody here
one of these days i must orchestrate a rock instrumental version of tantum ergo, complete with slide guitar and alto sax (for my own amusement of course- or maybe theyd like it for a wyd?)!
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john1863
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The Holy Catholic Church is, by our beliefs, almost 2,000 years old. What is the dividing line for sacred and non-sacred music?
Check out the invention date for the organ, the piano, the Gregorian chant.
What happened before that? Guess they thought that all that followed was anathema.
John
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Godi
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Hmmmm so you want the animal sacrifices too??? There is going to be some grossed out kids. Somebody is probably going to hurl.that’s from Psalm 150. Sounds like “modern” music was OK for king David
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E.E.N.S
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Gregorian Chant is far from dead or outdated - it’s timeless. Christians have been chanting since there have been Christians to chant. It comes from the Jews. Jesus would have chanted as well.
Oh Lord, I hope not.
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Lily_Marlene
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For John,
You missed the point entirely. Music should be a form of WORSHIPPING GOD, not about what makes me feel good.
GOD’s house is a house of prayer, reverent prayer, can you honestly call modern music reverent prayer? Christ Himself calls it a House of Prayer.
You can use any form of music that suits you in your house or whatever public place you choose… but in God’s house we kneel before Him and reverently sing His praises.
Sacred Scripture records only one time that Our Lord Jesus Christ sang… on the way to the Garden of Gethsemane and He sang the Hallel PSALMS.
Would you call Him prejudiced?
Lily Marlene
You missed the point entirely. Music should be a form of WORSHIPPING GOD, not about what makes me feel good.
GOD’s house is a house of prayer, reverent prayer, can you honestly call modern music reverent prayer? Christ Himself calls it a House of Prayer.
You can use any form of music that suits you in your house or whatever public place you choose… but in God’s house we kneel before Him and reverently sing His praises.
Sacred Scripture records only one time that Our Lord Jesus Christ sang… on the way to the Garden of Gethsemane and He sang the Hallel PSALMS.
Would you call Him prejudiced?
Lily Marlene
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Wolseley
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I suspect this won’t make you feel much better: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=205903What is wrong with choosing the Mass you go to in accordance with the type of music that is played? The modern music at my church is something I really enjoy, and it helps me enjoy the Mass more and get “in tune” with God. Music is just another form of worship. Greg chant is okay, but I think that banning all the nice modern music out of all churches is abusing the power of the pope.
I miss Pope JP2 sooooooooo much now, more than ever
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Still, King David was no Richard Wagner, not as megalomaniac! I have a CD of Biblical music by a French-Jewish composer who claimed to have found the key to the instrumentation and the melodies… it might not be quite like that, but I can assure you they sound very well, in good taste. Some of these canticles are just sung a capella by one soloist. They sound sober and beautiful to me!that’s from Psalm 150. Sounds like “modern” music was OK for king David
One needs not be so bombastic in a church, certainly not during Mass…
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