Pope to the proud and powerful: Help the poor, or you’ll go to hell

[BobCatholic]

Do you think that the Jesuits should desist from promoting this type of intense self examination for the sake of the scrupulous?.

Not sure what a religious order rule and practice has to do with my concern about ordinary lay people who are scrupulous. Religious orders are already in good condition with God - they give up everything for God. God loves the religious orders more than the lay people.

These are two different worlds, with two vastly different standards.

So, since religious orders give up everything to follow Jesus (vow of poverty, chastity, obedience) - does this mean that lay people who don’t do that are going to hell?

I did not follow your post, so I will say this. The point is that this will not cause scrupulocity anymore than the pope saying ANYTHING is a sin.

If the pope said ANYTHING is a sin then that will cause scrupulosity in people who don’t have it now. Pretty much everyone would be scrupulous in that case.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Not sure what a religious order rule and practice has to do with my concern about ordinary lay people who are scrupulous. Religious orders are already in good condition with God - they give up everything for God. God loves the religious orders more than the lay people.

These are two different worlds, with two vastly different standards.

So, since religious orders give up everything to follow Jesus (vow of poverty, chastity, obedience) - does this mean that lay people who don’t do that are going to hell?

If the pope said ANYTHING is a sin then that will cause scrupulosity in people who don’t have it now. Pretty much everyone would be scrupulous in that case.

I still don’t follow
Are you saying anything the pope says could be sinful would cause rampant scrupulocity?
Do you struggle with scruples?

 

[queenofheartscv]

I think the point is that despite all his talk of “mercy” Pope Francis is often very condemnatory. He speaks in extremely harsh and terms, in a way that Popes St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI did not. To me, it comes off as very judgmental. And frankly, it comes off as though he really viscerally dislikes certain categories of people (the rich, traditionalists, the “rigid”, etc). He says Christians must be joyful but to me his words sound angry and condemnatory much of the time.

I’m sorry to say I have the same impressions.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I’m sorry to say I have the same impressions.

Maybe I’ve unconsciously mixed the media’s representation of the Pope’s words into what he actually says. I read the Pope’s message again here and it doesn’t sound judgmental, at least not in this instance.