Pope urges Catholics and Lutherans to recognize past errors

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Convert_in_99 said:
No, not at all. Not one single Church teaching has been compromised in this. In fact, our Church is more like the one the Apostles founded than ever before. I’m sorry you have trouble with change, but Vatican ll worked out fine and so will this. 👍
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My point is that to have any real unity with Lutherans, one side or the other or both would have to cave in on some critical issues.

Do we think they are right on the verge of conceding on every critical point? Like women priests? Like the papacy? Like the Church’s moral teaching? If so, shouldn’t they just convert en masse?

Or is the idea that they can continue to believe and practice what they do now and yet somehow be considered as unified with us in the Catholic Church? Are we going to agree that all that they believe is legitimate, and even though it directly contradicts what we believe, we’ll recognize their Church as essentially on equal footing with the Catholic Church?
 
deaconjohnO said:
Reverand, it was a poor choice of words. Perhaps the term Branch came to mind but that doesn’t seem correct either. I’m not sure what term to use. Denomination?
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I’m curious on this question too. Denomination can’t be correct, since denomination would refer to Lutheranism. These various groups are subsets of the denomination. I would think that sect would be an acceptable term to refer to a particular subset of the denomination.

What would be the proper term?
 
2PT3 said:
My point is that to have any real unity with Lutherans, one side or the other or both would have to cave in on some critical issues.

Do we think they are right on the verge of conceding on every critical point? Like women priests? Like the papacy? Like the Church’s moral teaching? If so, shouldn’t they just convert en masse?

Or is the idea that they can continue to believe and practice what they do now and yet somehow be considered as unified with us in the Catholic Church? Are we going to agree that all that they believe is legitimate, and even though it directly contradicts what we believe, we’ll recognize their Church as essentially on equal footing with the Catholic Church?
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No we haven’t, no compensations have been made. We are celebrating the similarities already in existence, not forming new ones.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I suggest that instead of following “some conservative Catholics on social media” – who may have no theological education whatsoever – you look to the Vicar of Christ, the Successor of Peter. That you look to the College of Bishops as a body, since together they constitute the successors to the apostles.

With that criteria, I would suggest you read Unitatis Redintegatio…the conciliar decree on ecumenism. A document acclaimed by the more than 2100 bishops who were at the ecumenical council before it was solemnly promulgated by the Blessed Paul VI.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

There is nothing confusing about where the Holy Spirit and His working is to be found. His working is found with the Successor of Peter and then with the College of Bishops working in communion with the head of the college and under the head of the college – as is succinctly but well articulated in chapter 3 of Lumen Gentium.
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People are afraid that passages this will be ignored:

“It is, of course, essential that the doctrine should be clearly presented in its entirety. Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded.”
 
Convert_in_99 said:
No we haven’t, no compensations have been made. We are celebrating the similarities already in existence, not forming new ones.
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This. People get so worked up about what they think they know Pope Francis is doing instead of relying that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Holy Father. In this day and age of “information”, people start knee-jerking every time they read something Pope Francis does they don’t particularly agree with and it really shows a lack of faith in the man the Holy Spirit put to guide the Church on Earth and a lack of humility to go online and rant about him.
 
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