Pope Urges Faithful to Long for Unity

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Who is Bishop Hilarian? What gossip?

And isnt Adoration a Catholic thing? I thought the Orthodox hated that.
Hilarian is the archbishop of vienna for the Russians.
I go to the local RC church with my friends for adoration. There is a perpetual adoration chapel around the corner too. One of the reasons the priest who baptized me won’t confess me.
 
Hilarian is the archbishop of vienna for the Russians.
I go to the local RC church with my friends for adoration. There is a perpetual adoration chapel around the corner too. One of the reasons the priest who baptized me won’t confess me.
Ah, come on now. You must let go of all those foolish, second millenium popish ways.😛
 
Ah, come on now. You must let go of all those foolish, second millenium popish ways.😛
Thats the pot calling the kettle black. I tell you what, I’ll not go with my friends to Adoration if you’ll quit singing Fillioque:D
 
If these folks are working together, that is fine. But, that is not an excuse for the Orthodox hierarchs to do nothing…
Like I said, they don’t see it that way, that they are doing nothing. They see it as preserving the teachings and Divine Liturgy in continuity with its ancient forms and traditions, and according to them, they see the RCC introducing undesirable innovations which were not current at the time of the split.
 
Like I said, they don’t see it that way, that they are doing nothing. They see it as preserving the teachings and Divine Liturgy in continuity with its ancient forms and traditions, and according to them, they see the RCC introducing undesirable innovations which were not current at the time of the split.
Well, they still need to engage. And they are not. Doing nothing is well, doing nothing. And calling nothing something does not change that it is nothing. I dont know what else to tell you. Every Orthodox argument is so convoluted. It is very unimpressive.

I think they really just like being separate and complaining about Rome. This gives them a feeling of superiority. Unity would deprive them of one of their most cherished marks of identity: victim of the West.
 
Thats the pot calling the kettle black. I tell you what, I’ll not go with my friends to Adoration if you’ll quit singing Fillioque:D
Oh I never sing the filioque. I just recite it along with everybody else, while simultaneously crossing myself and genuflecting then jumping up in the air shouting Woo Hoo.
 
I think they really just like being separate and complaining about Rome. This gives them a feeling of superiority. Unity would deprive them of one of their most cherished marks of identity: victim of the West.
However, there are other reasons, which you may be overlooking, as to why unity between Catholics and Orthodox is not imminent.
 
Oh and the Orthodox Serbs massacred both Muslims and Catholics in Bosnia in the 1990’s. And those good holy Orthodox Serbs were backed by Russia and the MP no less.
I suppose my English is not good - I ask for your help. But since it is no good, I think your history of Balkans is also no good. so I draw upon an English source to show you Croatian Catolics with backing of Vatican slaughtered Serbian Orthodox during German occupation (these facts you can check on you own)

** Massive Holocaust Revision Encouraged**

“Croats put to death over 100,000 Serbian children under the age of ten years.” Corpses of Serbian children killed in Croatian Death Camp of Stara Gradiska (part of Jasenovac complex of Croat extermination camps), Croatia.
Jasenovac — according to historians “the third most productive death camp” — run by monstrous Croat Ustashas, where over 750,000 Serbs were exterminated, along with tens of thousands of Jews and Gypsies, during the WWII.

Calling this a “Nazi Camp” is a misleading distortion of the facts. Jasenovac was a Croatian Death Camp run by Croatian Nazi collaborators who murdered their own neighbors. Your headline implies that this was another German Concentration Camp.
In my 1997 book Jasenovac Then and Now: A Conspiracy of Silence, I document dozens of eye witness testimonies which place the number of victims at Jasenovac at well over 400,000 as early as 1942, including the testimonies of a number of German officers. Croatian revisionists who now place the number of dead as low as 40,000 or to an insulting high of 97,000 imply that there were no atrocities committed against the Serbs and Jews for the remaining 3 years of the war? There were only 87 survivors of the Jasenovac Concentration Camp, named the “Auschwitz of the Balkans” by most historians.
Unparalleled cruelty: Croat Ustashas used farm tools, axes, sledgehammers and blades instead of gas chambers, and took pleasure in meticulous butchering of their victims before putting them to death. Two Serbian men held by their Croat captors before slaughter, Jasenovac, Croatia.

One of those survivors was Antun Miletich, a Croatian. Here is his 1948 testimony: “There is not a pen capable of describing the horror and terror of the atmosphere at Jasenovac. It surpasses any human fantasy. Imagine Hell, the Inquisition, a terror more dreadful than any that ever before existed anywhere, run by bloodthirsty wild animals whose most hidden and disgusting instinct had come to the surface in a way never before seen in human beings — and still you have not said enough.”
The Jasenovac system of Croatian camps also included a camp for children run by Catholic nuns who used toxic soda to save bullets. They put to death over 100,000 Serbian children under the age of ten years. There are countless documents that also attest to the fact that 743 Roman Catholic priests were members of the Ustashi and personally murdered Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. Jasenovac was for a time, run by **Fr. Filipovic-Majstorovic, a Catholic priest who admitted to killing “40,000 Serbs with his own hands.” **
Code:
I am the first plaintiff in a class action law suit against the Vatican Bank to recover $100 million in damages for the Vatican’s participation in these war crimes and money laundering the proceeds from their Serb, Jewish and Roma victims. Vatican lawyers have three times tried to get this case thrown out of court. The Supreme court has rejected their claims.


**Vatican, the Power Behind Ustasha**
The Ustasha ideology was intertwined with militant Catholicism. One of the most notorious commandants of Jasenovac was a Franciscan monk known as Brother Satan.
Today the survivors of Jasenovac and their families are suing the Franciscans and Vatican Bank for the post war laundering of the profits of Jasenovac, gold teeth and victim gold for the Ustasha exiles and the notorious ratlines. There can be no reconciliation until the real power behind the Ustasha, the Vatican, apologizes and makes amends to victims. Where is Dr. Zuroff on this issue? Conspicuously silent I am afraid.
 
Oh I never sing the filioque. I just recite it along with everybody else, while simultaneously crossing myself and genuflecting then jumping up in the air shouting Woo Hoo.
The filioque is another teaching which is considered to be an innovation and is not accepted by the Orthodox. If there is to be unity, would the Orthodox have to accept the Catholic doctrine on the filioque or not?
 
Well, they still need to engage. And they are not. Doing nothing is well, doing nothing. And calling nothing something does not change that it is nothing. I dont know what else to tell you. Every Orthodox argument is so convoluted. It is very unimpressive.

I think they really just like being separate and complaining about Rome. This gives them a feeling of superiority. Unity would deprive them of one of their most cherished marks of identity: victim of the West.
Ouch.
Does the whole family get down and pick up the todler when he falls. In the same way there are a few bishops working with Rome. In the end it is four against one as far as patriarchates that split off. It is one that must come home.
Does anyone else see the workings of the Bishop of Rome in his treatment of the Orthodox under muslim/ comuntist rule seem like the treatment of Joseph? I mean really think about it. They lived in peace without him till the famine. Catholics wanted nothing to do with the Orthodox till their own liturgical/moral desert was shown to be what it was.
 
I suppose my English is not good - I ask for your help. But since it is no good, I think your history of Balkans is also no good. so I draw upon an English source to show you Croatian Catolics with backing of Vatican slaughtered Serbian Orthodox during German occupation (these facts you can check on you own)

** Massive Holocaust Revision Encouraged**

“Croats put to death over 100,000 Serbian children under the age of ten years.” Corpses of Serbian children killed in Croatian Death Camp of Stara Gradiska (part of Jasenovac complex of Croat extermination camps), Croatia.
Jasenovac — according to historians “the third most productive death camp” — run by monstrous Croat Ustashas, where over 750,000 Serbs were exterminated, along with tens of thousands of Jews and Gypsies, during the WWII.

Calling this a “Nazi Camp” is a misleading distortion of the facts. Jasenovac was a Croatian Death Camp run by Croatian Nazi collaborators who murdered their own neighbors. Your headline implies that this was another German Concentration Camp.
In my 1997 book Jasenovac Then and Now: A Conspiracy of Silence, I document dozens of eye witness testimonies which place the number of victims at Jasenovac at well over 400,000 as early as 1942, including the testimonies of a number of German officers. Croatian revisionists who now place the number of dead as low as 40,000 or to an insulting high of 97,000 imply that there were no atrocities committed against the Serbs and Jews for the remaining 3 years of the war? There were only 87 survivors of the Jasenovac Concentration Camp, named the “Auschwitz of the Balkans” by most historians.
Unparalleled cruelty: Croat Ustashas used farm tools, axes, sledgehammers and blades instead of gas chambers, and took pleasure in meticulous butchering of their victims before putting them to death. Two Serbian men held by their Croat captors before slaughter, Jasenovac, Croatia.

One of those survivors was Antun Miletich, a Croatian. Here is his 1948 testimony: “There is not a pen capable of describing the horror and terror of the atmosphere at Jasenovac. It surpasses any human fantasy. Imagine Hell, the Inquisition, a terror more dreadful than any that ever before existed anywhere, run by bloodthirsty wild animals whose most hidden and disgusting instinct had come to the surface in a way never before seen in human beings — and still you have not said enough.”
The Jasenovac system of Croatian camps also included a camp for children run by Catholic nuns who used toxic soda to save bullets. They put to death over 100,000 Serbian children under the age of ten years. There are countless documents that also attest to the fact that 743 Roman Catholic priests were members of the Ustashi and personally murdered Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. Jasenovac was for a time, run by **Fr. Filipovic-Majstorovic, a Catholic priest who admitted to killing “40,000 Serbs with his own hands.” **
Code:
I am the first plaintiff in a class action law suit against the Vatican Bank to recover $100 million in damages for the Vatican’s participation in these war crimes and money laundering the proceeds from their Serb, Jewish and Roma victims. Vatican lawyers have three times tried to get this case thrown out of court. The Supreme court has rejected their claims.


**Vatican, the Power Behind Ustasha**
The Ustasha ideology was intertwined with militant Catholicism. One of the most notorious commandants of Jasenovac was a Franciscan monk known as Brother Satan.
Today the survivors of Jasenovac and their families are suing the Franciscans and Vatican Bank for the post war laundering of the profits of Jasenovac, gold teeth and victim gold for the Ustasha exiles and the notorious ratlines. There can be no reconciliation until the real power behind the Ustasha, the Vatican, apologizes and makes amends to victims. Where is Dr. Zuroff on this issue? Conspicuously silent I am afraid.
vlad, please it hurts so bad. please. What the vatican did was wrong. no one denies it. no one condones it. the sins of our fathers were great as well brother. do we condone them? No. Holding the sins of the former generation against the present is not forgiveness. forgiveness is required of us to enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
I suppose my English is not good - .
Your English is just fine. Don’t worry about that at all.
A famous and highly educated American diplomat went to Russia and claimed in Moscow that she had been a Russian language major at college, and tried to converse in Russian. However, it turned out that she was not able to hold a conversation more than a few phrases here and there in Russian.
 
Ouch.
Does the whole family get down and pick up the todler when he falls. In the same way there are a few bishops working with Rome. In the end it is four against one as far as patriarchates that split off. It is one that must come home.
Does anyone else see the workings of the Bishop of Rome in his treatment of the Orthodox under muslim/ comuntist rule seem like the treatment of Joseph? I mean really think about it. They lived in peace without him till the famine. Catholics wanted nothing to do with the Orthodox till their own liturgical/moral desert was shown to be what it was.
Your history is wrong. The Catholic Church has sought Christian unity since Vatican II. The first emphasis was on Protestants because we have a common Western heritage. We live together and know each other. The focus was on the Anglicans. Of course the Anglicans have imploded. The other major denominations have gone liberal as well. The rise of the Evangelicals has produced a Protestant center even futher from Catholicism which is unworkable.

This leaves Orthodoxy. If the Orthodox prove impossible to work with, I guess we will have to go back to converting everyone one soul at a time. Nothing wrong with that. I will gladly sign up to convert the Russians.😛
 
Ouch.
Does the whole family get down and pick up the todler when he falls. In the same way there are a few bishops working with Rome. In the end it is four against one as far as patriarchates that split off. It is one that must come home.
Does anyone else see the workings of the Bishop of Rome in his treatment of the Orthodox under muslim/ comuntist rule seem like the treatment of Joseph? I mean really think about it. They lived in peace without him till the famine. Catholics wanted nothing to do with the Orthodox till their own liturgical/moral desert was shown to be what it was.
Surgei, you showed such promise on the other thread. I thought maybe you were someone I could actually talk with–guess not. But if your mood changes, let me know.😉
 
Your history is wrong. The Catholic Church has sought Christian unity since Vatican II. The first emphasis was on Protestants because we have a common Western heritage. We live together and know each other. The focus was on the Anglicans. Of course the Anglicans have imploded. The other major denominations have gone liberal as well. The rise of the Evangelicals has produced a Protestant center even futher from Catholicism which is unworkable.

This leaves Orthodoxy. If the Orthodox prove impossible to work with, I guess we will have to go back to converting everyone one soul at a time. Nothing wrong with that. I will gladly sign up to convert the Russians.😛
I know of four Orthodox priests who were missionaries to Orthodox countries when they were converted to Orthodoxy and entered seminary.
Please, go to Russia. I’ll help buy your plain ticket.👍
 
vlad, please it hurts so bad. please. What the vatican did was wrong. no one denies it. no one condones it. the sins of our fathers were great as well brother. do we condone them? No. Holding the sins of the former generation against the present is not forgiveness. forgiveness is required of us to enter the kingdom of heaven.
You are entirely correct, my friend, there should be forgiveness. But I only am wondering why Americans Catolics like our conversationalist, XV - accuse Serbians of atrocities in 1990’s, but do not want to hear of Croatian Catolic atrocities in 1940’s. My friend, we must know history it will be repeated. But, I am sorry to upset you. Internet saits allow only reaction. But excuse me if I have offended. Again perhaps the language used to describe Serbian crimes was more placid than that used to describe Croatian - I cannot judge.
 
I did not bring up past history. Somebody else did. I dont really see what that has to do with doctrine. But it is a good way to ger out of a conversation when you are feeling cornered.

Gee, what do you think she has with all that blood?
 
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Please, go to Russia. I’ll help buy your plain ticket.👍
Just don’t send him to Belgorod - my brother and sister all live there. Perhaps he would enjoy Solovetskij island. Beautiful weather!!
 
I did not bring up past history. Somebody else did. I dont really see what that has to do with doctrine. But it is a good way to ger out of a conversation when you are feeling cornered.
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He is not wrong. He is calling the Church to repentance. It can start with the faithful. But one day the Pope must address this. Doctrine is nothing without love. Love without repentance after a wrong is not love. Then again love does not do these things.
 
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