Pope urges 'firm, humble' dialogue with Muslims

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Pope Benedict said Catholics should manifest their beliefs with the same conviction as Muslims, who “are attached with great seriousness to their convictions and their religious rites.”
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The pope, who will travel to mainly Muslim Turkey at the end of the month, said Muslims “have the right to our firm and humble witness for Jesus Christ.” Such dialogue “obviously presupposes a solid knowledge of one’s own faith,” he added.

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Immediately after arriving in Ankara, the pope will visit the mausoleum of the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, revered by Turks who share his fierce dedication to secularism.
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It will be interesting to hear how the Pope responds to this, given his criticism of secularism in Europe. The secularists in Turkey, as I understand it, are big into keeping Islam under wraps. So I am thinking this might be an opportunity for him to show a position supportive of Muslims… but doing so might simply annoy the secularists while Muslims remain unforgiving.

It seems a gutsy decision to open a three day visit with this. But Benedict’s call for “firm and humble witness” shows a willingness to take a carefully nuanced position (as, of course, he did in the Regensburg speech)
 
Pope Benedict said Catholics should manifest their beliefs with the same conviction as Muslims, who “are attached with great seriousness to their convictions and their religious rites.”
http://www.breitbart.com/images/200...6191155.photo00.quicklook.default-158x245.jpg
The pope, who will travel to mainly Muslim Turkey at the end of the month, said Muslims “have the right to our firm and humble witness for Jesus Christ.” Such dialogue “obviously presupposes a solid knowledge of one’s own faith,” he added.

breitbart.com/news/2006/11/10/061110191614.edelhx1z.html
While I would agree that it would be great if Catholics were as faithful and obedient to Jesus Christ as the the Muslims are faithful and obedient to the Koran in killing “infidels”, this would be great. However, is this an appropriate comparison?

Have we gotten this violence related to the Koran, in regard to the Pope’s recent speach attacking Muslim Koran related violence, thing resolved? Or is it now, after the Muslim violence retaliatory deaths of a number of Catholics, the Pope is now promoting and exalting the evil violent teachings of the Koran, and the faithful Muslims fulfilling this evil violence?
 
He has great courage and is an example to us all. We should all pray that his courage and witness further the cause of peace in the world! It’s fantastic to see such a great man taking direct action for peace!
 
While I would agree that it would be great if Catholics were as faithful and obedient to Jesus Christ as the the Muslims are faithful and obedient to the Koran in killing "infidels
If you believe that Muslim fidelity and obedience to the Koran comes down to one thing - “killing infidels,” then you are not very familiar with Moslems or the Koran.

The vast, vast majority of Moslems around the world live decent, modest lives, worship God, and try to do good (there are more exhortations in the Koran to help the poor and powerless than there are in the Bible!) That there are fanatical Islamists who interpret the Koran to do violence to foreigners and to fellow Moslems is unquestioned. But, those are a very small minority.

You ought to check the Catholic Catechism to see what the Church thinks of Moslems.
 
The muslim response to the speech was from a “very small minority” The intimidation of anyone who speaks against Islam or Mohammed in the press is done by a “very small mionority”?

A very small minority of Muslims is still a very large number and I do not accept this. The very large majority does not stop this small minority. In addition “this small minority” rules countries and calls continually for the destruction of Jews and the West. In Palestine it did not look like a minority dancingh in the streets after 9-11.

I am not concluding anything in regards to the numbers game other than to refute the blase comment that only a small minority hold evil views stemming from their logical interpretation of the Koran.

Does anyone know of statistical and honest pollibng about Islamic beliefs? And if you do not agree won’t they persecute you? How can honest polling occur. It hasn’t so characterizing the Muslim masses seems ill advised.

By their fruits you know them. So I hear what Iran says, I see who the Palestinians elect, I see the people killed and threatened for the truth about Mohammed. I see Christians persecuted and slaughtered. How much more?

How much more before we recognize that faith and what you believe matters?
 
If you believe that Muslim fidelity and obedience to the Koran comes down to one thing - “killing infidels,” then you are not very familiar with Moslems or the Koran.

The vast, vast majority of Moslems around the world live decent, modest lives, worship God, and try to do good (there are more exhortations in the Koran to help the poor and powerless than there are in the Bible!) That there are fanatical Islamists who interpret the Koran to do violence to foreigners and to fellow Moslems is unquestioned. But, those are a very small minority.

You ought to check the Catholic Catechism to see what the Church thinks of Moslems.
You are correct. Most Moslems are good people who love their children and want to have a pleasant, comfortable life. Just like everyone else.

They are prayerful and honest, adamantly opposed to abortion and affirming homosexual behavior. These are things we have in common with them.

However, the majority of the forms of Islam (it has never been a unified religion, not even as unified as Christianity is today.) permit conversion by coercion. While most might peaceable in themselves, there is a tolerance for violence against non-Moslems that is both morally justified in Islamic theology and unthinkable to Christians. Mohamed never said “love your enemies.”

The sharia laws are very harsh, calling for death to any Moslem who converts to another religion, like Christianity.

There is no concept of freedom of conscience in the Moslem world. This is what the Holy Father is trying to get them to change. He wants Moslems in Moslems countries to show the same grant the same freedoms to Christians and other non-Moslems that Moslems enjoy in the West. For example, it is illegal for a traveler to bring a Bible into Saudi Arabia.

If Islam can change the attitude of hatred of non-Moslems (that is why they suppress them) to one of tolerance, the other problems, the violence, the harsh unbending laws where punishment is not in proportion to the crime, will be lessened and peaceful (at least physically) coexistence may one day be achieved.

It will not happen in our lifetimes, but we can pray that our wise and humble Holy Father, by confronting the issue head on, will begin the long-needed process of Moslem coexistence.
 
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