Pope vs some Nigerian priests

[Don_Ruggero]

This is wrong.

No, it is not wrong.

It is a quote from the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, promulgated by the Pope and the Bishops of the world gathered in Ecumenical Council.

It is the teaching of the Church’s Magisterium…to which you owe assent.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

The Pope has complete authority over ecclesiastical government and Church disciplines. He does not have authority over what colour car I buy or what I have for supper, or whether or not I should jump off a cliff.

Your comparison is still a straw man and as otjm said, sophomoric, and completely besides the point of the matter at hand: whether priests should obey the pope’s selection as their bishop.

Indeed.

It is an insult to the person of the Pope, as well as to the Petrine ministry itself, to posit such asinine hypotheticals as a Pope ordering a person to kill someone.

Such a construct is simply odious in its disrespect.

Relative to your first sentence:

Can. 331 The bishop of the Roman Church, in whom continues the office given by the Lord uniquely to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, is the head of the college of bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the pastor of the universal Church on earth. By virtue of his office he possesses supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, which he is always able to exercise freely.

Can. 333 §1. By virtue of his office, the Roman Pontiff not only possesses power over the universal Church but also obtains the primacy of ordinary power over all particular churches and groups of them. Moreover, this primacy strengthens and protects the proper, ordinary, and immediate power which bishops possess in the particular churches entrusted to their care.

By Canon 333, he can directly intervene in any diocese, taking action against the priests as well as individual members of the lay faithful using his immediate jurisdiction in their regard which goes to the level of the individual subject. His Holiness could, if he chose in this instance, deprive any priest of the clerical state instantly or the lesser penalty of suspending them.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

Indeed.

It is an insult to the person of the Pope, as well as to the Petrine ministry itself, to posit such asinine hypotheticals as a Pope ordering a person to kill someone.

Such a construct is simply odious in its disrespect.

Are popes not human,

Are you honestly telling me Don, that you believe that a pope has never committed an egregious sin.

I have great love for our current pope.

But you’re virtue signaling is not on base and your failure to acknowledge that a pope could potentially do something evil is flat out shocking.

 

[OraLabora]

Are popes not human,

Are you honestly telling me Don, that you are so ignorant to believe that a pope has never committed an egregious sin.

Check yourself before you call others disgusting and insulting.

I have great love for our current pope.

But you’re virtue signaling is disgusting, and your failure to acknowledge that a pope could potentially do something evil is flat out shocking.

this is brainwashed behavior.

Be aware you are speaking to a priest and retired seminary professor. You are way out of line throughout this thread but most egregiously so in this post which I am reporting to the moderators.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

Be aware you are speaking to a priest and retired seminary professor. You are way out of line throughout this thread but most egregiously so in this post which I am reporting to the moderators.

Be aware you are only reporting it and have still failed to answer any of my questions.

My oh my, OraLabora, you are keen to shut down debate you are not comfortable with,

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

Catholic Answers is like a college safe space now!

 

[OraLabora]

Be aware you are only reporting it and have still failed to answer any of my questions.

My oh my, OraLabora, you are keen to shut down debate you are not comfortable with,

No I am keen to debate with reasoned arguments, not straw men. You are insulting the intelligence of others here by continuing with this fallacy.

I am putting you on ignore.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

I guess thats just an extremely insulting way of admitting I was right. And it does disprove the statement. The pope is not God, he does not get our blind allegiance. I would do anything God commanded, I would not do anything the pope commanded me to do. Simply because he is human.

Have a nice time crying about losing this arguement.

A person who brought such an attitude to my lecture hall would be summarily ejected from my lecture hall.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

A person who brought such an attitude to my lecture hall would be summarily ejected from my lecture hall.

I should edit, I would not automatically do what the pope tells me to do, but I would probably do most of the things he commanded. Especally for our current pope.

 

[pianistclare]

No, it is your ignorance that speaks volumes. You asked an unintelligent question. It is close to a par with the question “can God create a rock so big He cannot move it?”

Questions such as " if the pope told you to jump off a cliff would you do it" are ignored because they are sophomoric, baiting, straw man, and the rest of us have better things to do. You already know the answer to your question, but the answer does not disprove the statement you refer to.

Amen.
This thread is daft.
The OP has a huge problem.
And it’s not with the Pope.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Are popes not human,

Are you honestly telling me Don, that you believe that a pope has never committed an egregious sin.

I have great love for our current pope.

But you’re virtue signaling is not on base and your failure to acknowledge that a pope could potentially do something evil is flat out shocking.

Let us be crystal clear:

This is what you originally posted before you edited it.

Originally Posted by TheTrinitySaves View Post
Are popes not human,

Are you honestly telling me Don, that you are so ignorant to believe that a pope has never committed an egregious sin.

Check yourself before you call others disgusting and insulting.

I have great love for our current pope.

But you’re virtue signaling is disgusting, and your failure to acknowledge that a pope could potentially do something evil is flat out shocking.

this is brainwashed behavior.

You accused a priest and a professor of theology of brainwashed behaviour…and that is what is being reported to the moderator. The post has been captured and it is being forwarded.

The greater offense to your own well-being is you have dissented from magisterial teaching. That is something you need to take up with your Confessor.

 

[pianistclare]

Oh, and his name is not DON.

Don is an honorarium, a title of respect in European countries.
You’re think you would know that.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

Let us be crystal clear:

This is what you originally posted before you edited it.

You accused a priest and a professor of theology of brainwashed behaviour…and that is what is being reported to the moderator. The post has been captured and it is being forwarded.

The greater offense to your own well-being is you have dissented from magisterial teaching. That is something you need to take up with your Confessor.

Have you ever posted something you regret? I thought my post was too disrespectful so that’s why I had it edited

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

Let us be crystal clear:

This is what you originally posted before you edited it.

You accused a priest and a professor of theology of brainwashed behaviour…and that is what is being reported to the moderator. The post has been captured and it is being forwarded.

The greater offense to your own well-being is you have dissented from magisterial teaching. That is something you need to take up with your Confessor.

and i apologize for disrespecting you

 

[pianistclare]

I legitimately challenge everyone on this form. Pretend I’m Orthodox and don’t believe the Pope is infallible. Convince me.

First you look up “infallible”. The Pope himself it no infallible.
It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

First you look up “infallible”. The Pope himself it no infallible.
It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

“Unquestioned Obedience” is what plunia, Father Ruggero, and others seem to have agreed on.