Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011

[JM3]

FYI - St. Ignatius of Antioch received the gospel from the Apostle John.

 

[JM3]

Did you understand what you said? When Jesus said that he mankind that included Jew and Gentile alike. Why is there a need for a “new Sabbath” when God never created one, and the the 7th day Sabbath Commandment still stands as part of the 10 Commandments? ** The duty of the church **is not to substitute its man made laws in place of God’s laws, but to preach truth.

The duty of the Church is to preach the gospel as received by the Apostles and as directed by the Holy Spirit.

You do not dictate to the Church what her duty is.

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

The Catholic Church was given the authority to make doctrine, Matt 18:18 What is bound on earth is bound in heaven, and in the verse before that 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican. we see that the church is expressly mentioned as having authority.

Not everyone believes this and all Catholics should know very well that not everyone will believe it. We should offer our views as not contrary to the Bible and also not contrary to reason, with the hope that God will make up for what we lack in presentation. It is when we are antagonistic that we fail even when our arguments are true.

 

[pnewton]

I think the OP started on a tangent, and one that is being continued. The article simply does not support the title of the thread. This one sentence is the closest that comes to the OP title:

Thus, it is necessary to promote reflection and efforts at reconciling the demands and the periods of work with those of the family and to recover the true meaning of the feast, especially on Sunday, the weekly Easter, the day of the Lord and the day of man, the day of the family, of the community and of solidarity.

No where in the article did the Holy Father say he wanted Sunday as a day of rest in 2011. The only place 2011 is mentioned is:

…is my wish, therefore, that already in the course of 2011, the 30th anniversary of the apostolic exhortation “Familiaris consortio,” the great charter of family pastoral care, might be taken as a valid guide with initiatives at the parish, diocesan and national level, aimed at throwing light on experiences of work and celebration in their truest and most positive aspects, with particular regard to the effect on the concrete life of families.

Now if one will go and read* Familiaris Consortio*, he will find that it deals with the Family, the theme of the letter and the exhortation, not Sunday. This whole thread is an SDA lying about what was said, baiting argument over a non-statement.

 

[TruthWave]

I think the OP started on a tangent, and one that is being continued. The article simply does not support the title of the thread. This one sentence is the closest that comes to the OP title:

No where in the article did the Holy Father say he wanted Sunday as a day of rest in 2011. The only place 2011 is mentioned is:

Now if one will go and read* Familiaris Consortio*, he will find that it deals with the Family, the theme of the letter and the exhortation, not Sunday. This whole thread is an SDA lying about what was said, baiting argument over a non-statement.

SDAs are all about the truth and nothing but the truth. Tradition is not Bible truth. What has greater authority, the words that God wrote with his own finger in stone, or the words that fallible men trumped as being truth? Face the fact, that there is no Sunday rest and worship commandment written by the finger of God. Why should the something based on tradition trump the what was clearly written by the finger of God. Additionally, since the first three or four commandments were dealing with our relationship to God himself wouldn’t that behoove every thinking person to pay critical attention to what they say? And yet the majority of professed Christians on planet earth ignore the Sabbath Commandment, and exalt Sunday in its place! This must be the deception of the millennium!

 

[pnewton]

SDAs are all about the truth and nothing but the truth. Tradition is not Bible truth.

Then why did you need to lie about what the article said?

You could have just started a thread without this article to discuss Sunday worship. There was no need to invent a thread title like you did. The Holy Father’s speech was aimed at the restoration of the family.

 

[TruthWave]

The duty of the Church is to preach the gospel as received by the Apostles and as directed by the Holy Spirit.

You do not dictate to the Church what her duty is.

True. All that one can to do is preach truth as it is in the Bible. The Holy Spirit doesn’t go against the Bible. The Apostles never issued a new addition of the 10 Commandments. They are still are what they are since the time of Moses.

 

[TruthWave]

Then why did you need to lie about what the article said?

I didn’t tell any lies. I pointed out the slick way that the Pope tried to take the authority of the Sabbath Commandment, when he referred to Genesis 2, (the Sabbath Commandment), as a basis for ceasing from labor on Sunday. When ceasing from labor on Sunday, or for that matter worshiping on Sunday, have no commandment for doing such things.

 

[pnewton]

I just figured it out. Your title was borrowed from another site, an SDA site, that you chose not to link.

amazingdiscoveries.org/10.09.26-pope-wants-sunday-as-day-of-rest-starting-in-2011.html

This site claims to believe:

Commandments—Because of our love for Jesus and thankfulness for what He has done for us, we choose to keep God’s commandments (See John 14:15). This includes the Fourth Commandment, which tells us that we must keep the Sabbath on the seventh day.

amazingdiscoveries.org/AD-We-Believe.html

So here we see that the original poster is not alone in using deception, but he himself copied a deception posted on another SDA site.

So what was it you said about Truth?

 

[Shannon9791]

SDAs are all about the truth and nothing but the truth. Tradition is not Bible truth. What has greater authority, the words that God wrote with his own finger in stone, or the words that fallible men trumped as being truth?

Funny you should ask that. What has greater authority The Church as an infallible teacher, which is the “pillar and bullwark of the TRUTH” or your fallible interpretation of what the Bible is saying?

 

[JM3]

True. All that one can to do is preach truth as it is in the Bible. The Holy Spirit doesn’t go against the Bible. The Apostles never issued a new addition of the 10 Commandments. They are still are what they are since the time of Moses.

“She lived her own life, which had been handed down to her as such, before the texts and together with them, in the texts and yet not limited to them, independently of them. She did not receive her life from them. She was Church from the time of the apostles and not the product of their writings.” The Meaning of Tradition by Yves Congar, O.P.

‘The Apostles never issued a new addition of the 10 Commandments.’

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation.

Not addition, clarification.

“Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.”

From St. Ignatius of Antioch’s letter to the Magnesians. St. Ignatius of Antioch received the gospel, and its observance, directly from The Apostle John (as I stated in a previous post).

“The Holy Spirit doesn’t go against the Bible.”

God is not limited to your interpretation of the bible.

Isn’t bearing false witness also a commandment of God?

 

[JM3]

“Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but it is not enlightened. For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law, that everyone who has faith may be justified.”
Romans 10:1-4

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Did Jesus and John the Baptist and the 12 disciples have “credentials”? I have simply studied the Bible and History for the last 30 years. The most important things in the Bible can be understood by a born again 12 year old child. For example, the 10 Commandments can be understood by a 12 year old child.

I know that the Catholic Church has kept Sunday for over a thousand years. May point is that the news article shows how the Papacy using the theological underpinnings of the Sabbath to bolster Sunday observance.

So the Church that has been around for about 2,000 years has got it wrong but a group that formed in 1863 is the only Christian group that has it right?

 

[StrawberryJam]

I didn’t tell any lies. I pointed out the slick way that the Pope tried to take the authority of the Sabbath Commandment, when he referred to Genesis 2, (the Sabbath Commandment), as a basis for ceasing from labor on Sunday. When ceasing from labor on Sunday, or for that matter worshiping on Sunday, have no commandment for doing such things.

Interesting take.
Let me ask you this if you are a truth seeker.

Why are husbands required to love thier wives in the NT, but that requirement is not asked of the wife?

Is that a “slick” move? Or is it telling the believer something deeper?

If you will beg my pardon, I see an obsession of sorts surrounding this Saturday thing.
Is Saturday a false idol? Are you more concerned with the letter of the law as you personally interpret it, or as some young woman has for you?

Is it true she suffered brain injury in her youth?

 

[Bookcat]

Pope Benedict XVI:

Iuxta dominicam viventes – living in accordance with the Lord’s Day

1. From the beginning Christians were clearly conscious of this radical newness which the Eucharist brings to human life. The faithful immediately perceived the profound influence of the eucharistic celebration on their manner of life. Saint Ignatius of Antioch expressed this truth when he called Christians “those who have attained a new hope,” and described them as “those living in accordance with the Lord’s Day” (iuxta dominicam viventes). (204) This phrase of the great Antiochene martyr highlights the connection between the reality of the Eucharist and everyday Christian life. The Christians’ customary practice of gathering on the first day after the Sabbath to celebrate the resurrection of Christ – according to the account of Saint Justin Martyr(205) – is also what defines the form of a life renewed by an encounter with Christ. Saint Ignatius’ phrase – “living in accordance with the Lord’s Day” – also emphasizes that this holy day becomes paradigmatic for every other day of the week. Indeed, it is defined by something more than the simple suspension of one’s ordinary activities, a sort of parenthesis in one’s usual daily rhythm. Christians have always experienced this day as the first day of the week, since it commemorates the radical newness brought by Christ. Sunday is thus the day when Christians rediscover the eucharistic form which their lives are meant to have. “Living in accordance with the Lord’s Day” means living in the awareness of the liberation brought by Christ and making our lives a constant self-offering to God, so that his victory may be fully revealed to all humanity through a profoundly renewed existence.

…

Living the Sunday obligation

1. Conscious of this new vital principle which the Eucharist imparts to the Christian, the Synod Fathers reaffirmed the importance of the Sunday obligation for all the faithful, viewing it as a wellspring of authentic freedom enabling them to live each day in accordance with what they celebrated on “the Lord’s Day.” The life of faith is endangered when we lose the desire to share in the celebration of the Eucharist and its commemoration of the paschal victory. Participating in the Sunday liturgical assembly with all our brothers and sisters, with whom we form one body in Jesus Christ, is demanded by our Christian conscience and at the same time it forms that conscience. To lose a sense of Sunday as the Lord’s Day, a day to be sanctified, is symptomatic of the loss of an authentic sense of Christian freedom, the freedom of the children of God. (206) Here some observations made by my venerable predecessor John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter Dies Domini (207) continue to have great value. Speaking of the various dimensions of the Christian celebration of Sunday, he said that it is Dies Domini with regard to the work of creation, Dies Christi as the day of the new creation and the Risen Lord’s gift of the Holy Spirit, Dies Ecclesiae as the day on which the Christian community gathers for the celebration, and Dies hominis as the day of joy, rest and fraternal charity.

Sunday thus appears as the primordial holy day, when all believers, wherever they are found, can become heralds and guardians of the true meaning of time. It gives rise to the Christian meaning of life and a new way of experiencing time, relationships, work, life and death. On the Lord’s Day, then, it is fitting that Church groups should organize, around Sunday Mass, the activities of the Christian community: social gatherings, programmes for the faith formation of children, young people and adults, pilgrimages, charitable works, and different moments of prayer. For the sake of these important values – while recognizing that Saturday evening, beginning with First Vespers, is already a part of Sunday and a time when the Sunday obligation can be fulfilled – we need to remember that it is Sunday itself that is meant to be kept holy, lest it end up as a day “empty of God.” (208)

The meaning of rest and of work

1. Finally, it is particularly urgent nowadays to remember that the day of the Lord is also a day of rest from work. It is greatly to be hoped that this fact will also be recognized by civil society, so that individuals can be permitted to refrain from work without being penalized. Christians, not without reference to the meaning of the Sabbath in the Jewish tradition, have seen in the Lord’s Day a day of rest from their daily exertions. This is highly significant, for it relativizes work and directs it to the person: work is for man and not man for work. It is easy to see how this actually protects men and women, emancipating them from a possible form of enslavement. As I have had occasion to say, “work is of fundamental importance to the fulfilment of the human being and to the development of society. Thus, it must always be organized and carried out with full respect for human dignity and must always serve the common good. At the same time, it is indispensable that people not allow themselves to be enslaved by work or to idolize it, claiming to find in it the ultimate and definitive meaning of life.” (209) It is on the day consecrated to God that men and women come to understand the meaning of their lives and also of their work. (210)

(from vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20070222_sacramentum-caritatis_en.html#The_eucharistic_form_of_the_christian_life)

 

[TruthWave]

Then why did you need to lie about what the article said?

You could have just started a thread without this article to discuss Sunday worship. There was no need to invent a thread title like you did. The Holy Father’s speech was aimed at the restoration of the family.

Why do you keep accusing me of lying? Is it to make look bad in the eyes of the other members of your forum? I don’t lie, I want to know the truth and follow the truth. The problem you have is when confronted with the truth, then you make personal attacks on those who present the truth to try and get them to drop down to your level, thereby justifying their expulsion from the forum. I have seen that tactic used time and time again on other religious forums. The Jesuits are masters of that method.

 

[TruthWave]

Interesting take.
Let me ask you this if you are a truth seeker.

Why are husbands required to love thier wives in the NT, but that requirement is not asked of the wife?

Is that a “slick” move? Or is it telling the believer something deeper?

If you will beg my pardon, I see an obsession of sorts surrounding this Saturday thing.
Is Saturday a false idol? Are you more concerned with the letter of the law as you personally interpret it, or as some young woman has for you?

Is it true she suffered brain injury in her youth?

Truth matters. Wasn’t Jesus called the Way, the Truth, and the Life? The Sabbath Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments shouldn’t that be important if someone or some church had the arrogance to change it without any basis from the Scripture itself, or direct words from God himself? Catholics and Protestants should be jumping out of their pews!

 

[pnewton]

Why do you keep accusing me of lying?

Specifically, the title of your thread is “Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011.” This is not what is in the article. This is **not **what the Holy Father said. Thus, your title is not true. When someone says something that is not true, it is a lie. I have no desire to make anyone look bad. What I want is to squelch the falsehood that exists in this thread title.

 

[TruthWave]

Funny you should ask that. What has greater authority The Church as an infallible teacher, which is the “pillar and bullwark of the TRUTH” or your fallible interpretation of what the Bible is saying?

The Scriptures is what Jesus quoted as authoritative, not the tradition of the Jews, which was the church of his time. The same maxim applies to the Roman Catholic Church, but they claim tradition the same way that the Jews did in the first century.

 

[TruthWave]

Specifically, the title of your thread is “Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011.” This is not what is in the article. This is **not **what the Holy Father said. Thus, your title is not true. When someone says something that is not true, it is a lie. I have no desire to make anyone look bad. What I want is to squelch the falsehood that exists in this thread title.

The article that Amazing Discoveries quoted was taken directly from ZENIT do you believe what ZENIT said? Here is the Web link: zenit.org/article-30476?l=english