Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011

[Shannon9791]

The Scriptures is what Jesus quoted as authoritative, not the tradition of the Jews, which was the church of his time. The same maxim applies to the Roman Catholic Church, but they claim tradition the same way that the Jews did in the first century.

So did Jesus get His authority from the Scriptures He was quoting? That sure seems like what you’re saying here.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The article that Amazing Discoveries quoted was taken directly from ZENIT do you believe what ZENIT said? Here is the Web link: zenit.org/article-30476?l=english

But the article from ZENIT is “Pope’s Letter on 7th World Family Meeting in '12” not “Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011”.

So it is not only a lie it is a deliberate misquote.

So yes I do believe ZENIT but not the Amazing Discoveries article.

 

[pnewton]

The article that Amazing Discoveries quoted was taken directly from ZENIT do you believe what ZENIT said? Here is the Web link: zenit.org/article-30476?l=english

Yes I believe what ZENIt says. What you say in this thread title is not in that article. A simple search on “sunday” and you will see that this thread title is a lie. Now in your defense, I must acknowledge that it is possible that you simply lack discernment and blindly passed on a lie from an SDA site. In either case, the SDA position is disingenuous.

I left the link up so others can see for themselves who is lying and who is speaking the truth.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

When’s the last time anyone in the industrialized world listened to the Pope re. Sundays as a day of rest? Certainly not in any of our local shopping centers.Not recently.
Sunday observed officially as a day of rest? I only wish it was true…
Even Good Friday has become just another shopping day-except on Wall Street.

 

[davidv]

The article that Amazing Discoveries quoted was taken directly from ZENIT do you believe what ZENIT said? Here is the Web link: zenit.org/article-30476?l=english

In this article, there is one reference to 2011and it says nothing about Sunday.

If the event is to be truly fruitful, it must not remain isolated, but must connect to an adequate journey of ecclesial and cultural formation. It is my wish, therefore, that already in the course of 2011, the 30th anniversary of the apostolic exhortation “Familiaris consortio,” the great charter of family pastoral care, might be taken as a valid guide with initiatives at the parish, diocesan and national level, aimed at throwing light on experiences of work and celebration in their truest and most positive aspects, with particular regard to the effect on the concrete life of families.

The article has exactly two references to “Sunday”, and neither of these say anything about “day of rest”.

Thus, it is necessary to promote reflection and efforts at reconciling the demands and the periods of work with those of the family and to recover the true meaning of the feast, especially on Sunday, the weekly Easter, the day of the Lord and the day of man, the day of the family, of the community and of solidarity.

The 7th World Meeting, like the preceding ones, will take place over five days and will culminate Saturday evening with the “Feast of Witnesses” and Sunday morning with the Solemn Mass.

So it seems that even if you were not lying, you misinterpreted the letter and offered a misleading OP.

 

[TruthWave]

So did Jesus get His authority from the Scriptures He was quoting? That sure seems like what you’re saying here.

When people asked Jesus a question regarding religious issues, note how many times He answered by saying something like this: “Have you never read in the book of Isaiah. . . ?” He didn’t give tradition as the basis for doctrines, but Scripture. He was our example, then and now.

 

[TruthWave]

When’s the last time anyone in the industrialized world listened to the Pope re. Sundays as a day of rest? Certainly not in any of our local shopping centers.Not recently.
Sunday observed officially as a day of rest? I only wish it was true…
Even Good Friday has become just another shopping day-except on Wall Street.

Just wait a little while longer. We had Sunday laws in the USA in the 1800’s, when things get a lot worse than they are now, people will “get religion” in order to regain God’s blessing, and demand a that our nation becomes a Christian Nation in fact that is what Glen Beck is promoting as we speak.

 

[TruthWave]

Yes I believe what ZENIt says. What you say in this thread title is not in that article. A simple search on “sunday” and you will see that this thread title is a lie. Now in your defense, I must acknowledge that it is possible that you simply lack discernment and blindly passed on a lie from an SDA site. In either case, the SDA position is disingenuous.

I left the link up so others can see for themselves who is lying and who is speaking the truth.

I don’t simply cut and paste, I read and study. The news link was taken directly from ZENIT, what more do you want? Or are you simply closing your eyes to the truth staring you in the face?

Here is the quote dealing with Sunday worship from the ZENIT news article:

“Thus, it is necessary to promote reflection and efforts at reconciling the demands and the periods of work with those of the family and to recover the true meaning of the feast, especially on SUNDAY, the weekly Easter, the day of the Lord and the day of man, the day of the family, of the community and of solidarity.”

This quote show how the Pope wants the Catholic churches to start a year ahead in 2011 for the 2012 event.

"It is my wish, therefore, that already in the course of 2011, the 30th anniversary of the apostolic exhortation “Familiaris consortio,” the great charter of family pastoral care, might be taken as a valid guide with initiatives at the parish, diocesan and national level, aimed at throwing light on experiences of work and celebration in their truest and most positive aspects, with particular regard to the effect on the concrete life of families. Christian families and ecclesial communities of the whole world should thus feel called and involved and enter solicitously onto the path toward “Milan 2012.”

 

[spunjalebi]

What happens to the people whose jobs depend on their ability to work on Sundays? I’ve been doing in-home work for years and Sunday was a huge day that families would request I work. And if I couldn’t, then I didn’t have a job. And what happens when you work block weekends, and those are the only times you can work? Honestly as a student, it’s difficult for me to work during the week and if I can’t work a couple Sundays, I can’t work at all, which is not an option.

I hate to say it, but in my field if you can’t work weekends you can’t have a job. Period. That also includes retail, hospitality, food service, geriatric services, visiting nurses, airlines, mechanics, banks, grocery stores, etc. A lot of people would be out of jobs.

Not to mention, there’s going to be tens of thousands of Catholics who are still going to want to get together to watch football, which I hardly think counts as a “day of rest”!

 

[Shannon9791]

When people asked Jesus a question regarding religious issues, note how many times He answered by saying something like this: “Have you never read in the book of Isaiah. . . ?” He didn’t give tradition as the basis for doctrines, but Scripture. He was our example, then and now.

Please give scripture and verse where Jesus specifically says “The Book of Isaiah says…”

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Just wait a little while longer. We had Sunday laws in the USA in the 1800’s, when things get a lot worse than they are now, people will “get religion” in order to regain God’s blessing, and demand a that our nation becomes a Christian Nation in fact that is what Glen Beck is promoting as we speak.

Thing is though, Glenn Beck is not a Christian.

I don’t simply cut and paste, I read and study. The news link was taken directly from ZENIT, what more do you want? Or are you simply closing your eyes to the truth staring you in the face?

Here is the quote dealing with Sunday worship from the ZENIT news article:

“Thus, it is necessary to promote reflection and efforts at reconciling the demands and the periods of work with those of the family and to recover the true meaning of the feast, especially on SUNDAY, the weekly Easter, the day of the Lord and the day of man, the day of the family, of the community and of solidarity.”

And this quote from ZENIT does not equal “Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011” which is your title. At best it is a misquote/misrepresentation, at worst it is an out right lie to mislead.

The Church has always taught that Sunday is a day of rest. Your thread title makes it seem like this is something new.

 

[pnewton]

What happens to the people whose jobs depend on their ability to work on Sundays? I’ve been doing in-home work for years and Sunday was a huge day that families would request I work. And if I couldn’t, then I didn’t have a job. And what happens when you work block weekends, and those are the only times you can work? Honestly as a student, it’s difficult for me to work during the week and if I can’t work a couple Sundays, I can’t work at all, which is not an option.

What you do, is you work, as that is totally allowable. If you read the Catechism, it specifically mentions that you even can have an exemption from Sunday Mass if it it needed for you to work to support yourself or your family. What you should not do is listen to what some Seventh Day Adventist comes here and claims is going to happen or claims that Catholics teach. In case you do not know it, they aren’t exactly know for making accurate predictions, by evidenced of the fact that we are still here 165 years after the world was going to end.

 

[ChristianSurfer]

In case you do not know it, they aren’t exactly know for making accurate predictions, by evidenced of the fact that we are still here 165 years after the world was going to end.

Another inconvenient truth?

 

[StrawberryJam]

Truth matters. Wasn’t Jesus called the Way, the Truth, and the Life? The Sabbath Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments shouldn’t that be important if someone or some church had the arrogance to change it without any basis from the Scripture itself, or direct words from God himself? Catholics and Protestants should be jumping out of their pews!

You never addressed my point.

 

[TruthWave]

So did Jesus get His authority from the Scriptures He was quoting? That sure seems like what you’re saying here.

Jesus was our example. When questioned, Jesus quoted Scripture. When you ask a Catholic certain questions they answer with tradition. Go figure.

 

[TruthWave]

But the article from ZENIT is “Pope’s Letter on 7th World Family Meeting in '12” not “Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011”.

So it is not only a lie it is a deliberate misquote.

So yes I do believe ZENIT but not the Amazing Discoveries article.

The title didn’t change the topic. The article quoted below the topic was taken directly from ZENIT. You are missing the BIG picture.

 

[TruthWave]

Please give scripture and verse where Jesus specifically says “The Book of Isaiah says…”

Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-3 in his first sermon in a synagogue.

1 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, 3 To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.”

 

[TruthWave]

Another inconvenient truth?

You are in error, the Adventist who were part of the Great Advent Awakening in the mid 1800’s were in error to the event foretold in 1844, the Seventh Day Adventists were not yet formed at that time. People don’t understand that and misapply that all the time.

 

[TruthWave]

What you do, is you work, as that is totally allowable. If you read the Catechism, it specifically mentions that you even can have an exemption from Sunday Mass if it it needed for you to work to support yourself or your family. What you should not do is listen to what some Seventh Day Adventist comes here and claims is going to happen or claims that Catholics teach. In case you do not know it, they aren’t exactly know for making accurate predictions, by evidenced of the fact that we are still here 165 years after the world was going to end.

It is very interesting what you just posted. For one, you mention that the church will give an exemption to those who need it, but the in the EU the organization of Catholic Bishops is trying their best to make Sunday a work free day. The Pope refers to Genesis 2 as his basis for making Sunday a work free day, while Genesis 2 mentions the 7th day as the only day that God said to rest from our labors. Don’t you see how once you start exalting tradition over Scripture you start sliding down the slippery slope to oblivion?

 

[davidv]

It is very interesting what you just posted. For one, you mention that the church will give an exemption to those who need it, but the in the EU the organization of Catholic Bishops is trying their best to make Sunday a work free day. The Pope refers to Genesis 2 as his basis for making Sunday a work free day, while Genesis 2 mentions the 7th day as the only day that God said to rest from our labors. Don’t you see how once you start exalting tradition over Scripture you start sliding down the slippery slope to oblivion?

Where does Scripture record which day on the calendar is the 7th day?