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Darryl1958
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Once God is disbelieved, then any ultimate reason for believing in humanismbecome groundless too.
A world without ultimate answers leads to nihilism, sometime slowly, sometimes at breakneck speed, but always inevitably.
A world without ultimate answers leads to nihilism, sometime slowly, sometimes at breakneck speed, but always inevitably.
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JReducation
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Some may argue that God is a human invention to satisfy the gap that exists in human understanding of reality and man’s lack of understanding of himself. In other words, God is a stop-gap measure until we can come up with something real.
But there is a problem with this thinking. The millions of men and women around the globe who aspire for something transcendent is not mere biological coincidence, says Karl Rahner. It is a human fact, a part of man’s desire, a part of human nature. Man’s desire for the transcendent cannot be easily dismissed or ignored without grave consequences, Rahner said. It would be the same as ignoring man’s innate desire to procreate as a means to remain present even after he has gone, said Eric Erikson.
Piaget once said that man is the only creature who can biologically assimilate and accommodate to life, All other animals adapt, but retain their natural instincts, whereas man’s instincts seem to evolve into reason and deliberate operant behavior. There is no biological explanation for this other than to put it as the great Jewish psychiatrist wrote, “man’s search for meaning.” Victor Frankl once said that if man loses his search for mening he is subject to his inner passions, which do not liberate him, but only frustrate him, because without a transcendent reality they can never be fulfilled. Therefore, as William James said in his writings, the proof of man’s need for the transcendent lies in man’s very nature, not in his imagination.
Given that man is built with a desire to find the transcendent, it is impossible to build a civilized society in which there is no room for God. To do so would be to do as Pope John Paul II pointed out in Crossing the Threshold of Hope, to build a nihilistic society that has no end in sight and no purpose for a common good. When there is no reason for a common good, the only result is chaos and moral decomposition, as has been proven by the Communist experiment of Karl Marx.
Therefore, if man is to exist with meaning and society is to venture forth into the future as a cooperative body, it must have a common source of values and a common goal that transcends human weaknesses and failings. The only explanation is found in man’s inner interest and desire to find God, even in the most primitive expressions of faith.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
But there is a problem with this thinking. The millions of men and women around the globe who aspire for something transcendent is not mere biological coincidence, says Karl Rahner. It is a human fact, a part of man’s desire, a part of human nature. Man’s desire for the transcendent cannot be easily dismissed or ignored without grave consequences, Rahner said. It would be the same as ignoring man’s innate desire to procreate as a means to remain present even after he has gone, said Eric Erikson.
Piaget once said that man is the only creature who can biologically assimilate and accommodate to life, All other animals adapt, but retain their natural instincts, whereas man’s instincts seem to evolve into reason and deliberate operant behavior. There is no biological explanation for this other than to put it as the great Jewish psychiatrist wrote, “man’s search for meaning.” Victor Frankl once said that if man loses his search for mening he is subject to his inner passions, which do not liberate him, but only frustrate him, because without a transcendent reality they can never be fulfilled. Therefore, as William James said in his writings, the proof of man’s need for the transcendent lies in man’s very nature, not in his imagination.
Given that man is built with a desire to find the transcendent, it is impossible to build a civilized society in which there is no room for God. To do so would be to do as Pope John Paul II pointed out in Crossing the Threshold of Hope, to build a nihilistic society that has no end in sight and no purpose for a common good. When there is no reason for a common good, the only result is chaos and moral decomposition, as has been proven by the Communist experiment of Karl Marx.
Therefore, if man is to exist with meaning and society is to venture forth into the future as a cooperative body, it must have a common source of values and a common goal that transcends human weaknesses and failings. The only explanation is found in man’s inner interest and desire to find God, even in the most primitive expressions of faith.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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rbiaca
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Devils advocate;
Didn’t a faithful God believing culture create 9/11?
Perfectly faithful and God believing adherents of Islam flew planes directly into sky scrappers, with the promise of paradise for their actions.
You certainly don’t hear about people flying planes into buildings in the name of disbelief.
I think the Pope should choose his words more carefully.
Didn’t a faithful God believing culture create 9/11?
Perfectly faithful and God believing adherents of Islam flew planes directly into sky scrappers, with the promise of paradise for their actions.
You certainly don’t hear about people flying planes into buildings in the name of disbelief.
I think the Pope should choose his words more carefully.
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JReducation
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God believing cultures have produced many horrors, including the atom bomb and biological warfare.
But the Holy Father’s words are well chosen. God is not an idea that we believe in. God is a reality for whom we live. If we live for that reality, we do not use the resources that are at our disposal to destroy life, but to promote life and protect it.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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cthulhubryan
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I believe that the Pope was talking about believing in God. The True God, not some demonic force that sends its adherents to slay and slaughter all who do not follow the demon or who leave the demon’s service.
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Serap
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The poster referring to 9/11 is missing the belief of God with mental illness.
A holy person who truly believes in God, will want peace for Earth and pray for it.
Sure the Islamic man believed he would also get a group of hot virgins waiting for him. An orgy doesn’t sound Holy to me
A holy person who truly believes in God, will want peace for Earth and pray for it.
Sure the Islamic man believed he would also get a group of hot virgins waiting for him. An orgy doesn’t sound Holy to me
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Darryl1958
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JReducation
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I took the liberty of moving some of Darryl’s paragraphs.
P1: Truth and falsehood are contradictions.
P2: Perfection never contradicts itself.
Concl. Perfection is truth.
P1: Perfection is truth.
P2: God is perfect.
Concl. Therefore God is truth.
P1: God is truth.
P2: God is perfect.
Concl. God is perfect truth.
To take God out of society is a social threat. However, there are those who will not accept the arguments of reason, because they do not credit any reason, but there own. Let’s examine this.
We are speaking about what God is in his nature, but we cannot provide a subject empirical examination; the nature of any being is not in its parts, but in the Gestalt; and since God’s nature is simply perfect truth and truth has no parts, then God is a simple single whole. In which case, at this time we can only know him through tradition and existentially. Thus the faith that has been revealed to us from Abraham to the last of the apostles, is possible and probable, because it tells the story of God’s truly perfect nature through human experience within the context of Salvation History.
Not only does God have a place in society, but so does the Church. Because through the Church, which is the Mystical Body, we experience the reality of God and hear his voice through the voice of conscience and reason, even if one is not a physical member of the Church. In her intimate relationship with Christ, the Church spreads in every direction. She is the sole means through which God’s truth and the truth about God can be experienced Man responds first, converts next, and comprehends later, just like the story from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. This expansion of the Church, as the Mystical Bride of Christ allows God to penetrate even the hearts and conciences of those outside the physical Church. God reaches out through the Church’s mission and presence. Without which, the only end result is a Godless society.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
A very nihilistic view of human nature. The atheist will not grant man a dispensation to find God. He challenges others to prove the existence of God, while he does nothing, a rather interesting, but negative approach to reality. Reality can always be experienced, but it cannot always be proven with sensory evidence. If I could produce to corpse, then Jesus did not rise. On other hand, because I cannot produce a corpse, the resurrection is rejected. It was a thesis doomed from the beginning, which is what makes resurrection worthy of intellectual attention and ultimately credible.
I would reword it. Our hope to happiness depends on our acceptance of the transcendent reality. Karl Rahner referred to this acceptance of the transcendent as a leap in faith. This is consistent with the explanations about faith in Catholic doctrine. Faith is a gift. Man accepts the gift, without full knowledge.
Not only does it become the ultimate frustration for man, but I believe that to discover that our liberation from God actually cripples our progress toward freedom is probably the ultimate hell of the unbeliever.
Once again, liberation from a superior transcendent reality (God) cripples our efforts to achieve those desires that transcend our limits. However, this fact does not extinguish those desires. To take God out of the equation makes us slaves of our desires, since we can never achieve them.
To say that “God is true, because he needs to be true,” simplifies what James said, a little too much. But it remains in the ball park. God does not “need” anything. God is completely fulfilled in himself, according to revelation. He remains real because he cannot be false. The concept of falsehood is contrary to the nature of the god-head. Therefore, God is true If he were not true, he would not be God. It sounds circular, but it really is not. Watch this.
P1: Truth and falsehood are contradictions.
P2: Perfection never contradicts itself.
Concl. Perfection is truth.
P1: Perfection is truth.
P2: God is perfect.
Concl. Therefore God is truth.
P1: God is truth.
P2: God is perfect.
Concl. God is perfect truth.
To take God out of society is a social threat. However, there are those who will not accept the arguments of reason, because they do not credit any reason, but there own. Let’s examine this.
We are speaking about what God is in his nature, but we cannot provide a subject empirical examination; the nature of any being is not in its parts, but in the Gestalt; and since God’s nature is simply perfect truth and truth has no parts, then God is a simple single whole. In which case, at this time we can only know him through tradition and existentially. Thus the faith that has been revealed to us from Abraham to the last of the apostles, is possible and probable, because it tells the story of God’s truly perfect nature through human experience within the context of Salvation History.
Subscript is mine. Observe that what sustained the hope of many atheists are the covenants between God and man. Solidarity and brotherhood was first destroyed by Cain. And now, we have social and economic systems that build their houses on the foundation of the covenant between God and man, established at the gates of Eden. *“You will be my people and I will be your God.” * For man to be a people for God, he must grow in solidarity and brotherhood. That community evolved from a nomadic Israel to become the Mystical Body of Christ.
Of course there is great probability here that man can cooperate with God’s law, even while he remains unaware of having experienced God. The reason that he remains unaware is because he does not understand God. When you lack understanding, you cannot name your experience appropriately. But this does not deny or diminish the reality of the experience of God in the human conscience and soul. Nor does it diminish man’s duty to cooperate with the truth he knows, even if he does not yet know the source of that truth, whose fulness is revealed through the Catholic Church.
Not only does God have a place in society, but so does the Church. Because through the Church, which is the Mystical Body, we experience the reality of God and hear his voice through the voice of conscience and reason, even if one is not a physical member of the Church. In her intimate relationship with Christ, the Church spreads in every direction. She is the sole means through which God’s truth and the truth about God can be experienced Man responds first, converts next, and comprehends later, just like the story from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. This expansion of the Church, as the Mystical Bride of Christ allows God to penetrate even the hearts and conciences of those outside the physical Church. God reaches out through the Church’s mission and presence. Without which, the only end result is a Godless society.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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edwest2
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As long as everyone defers to everyone’s opinion, we will have anarchy. It began in the United States in the late 1960s and continues today. The goal was always to legalize immorality. I was there.
Cohabitation: Now the government is talking about granting benefits to two people who have no real commitment toward one another.
Marriage: “I don’t need no piece of paper to live with my old lady.” Answer I got from a Hippie friend of mine. Now the government is involved in ‘other definitions’ of marriage.
Marijuana: “Smoke dope, man. Expand your mind.” The Surgeon General of the United States issue a warning about marijuana use. Now a few in the government are talking about legalizing it for general use.
Adult Entertainment: Thanks to a lot of high priced lawyers defending porn, it’s difficult to avoid it: gas stations, convenience stores and the less obvious versions sold in supermarkets. The government has allowed vice to take hold. Something that has been shown is harmful to marriage and society in general. The National Organization for Women has a "no position’ position on prostitution. Now prostitutes are being exploited, but these women are no longer viewed as victims of the male chauvenists pigs - men - who view and buy most of it.
Classified ads for adultery and fornication: A Detroit newspaper is running ads under a section called “Wild Hearts.” The word “hearts” should be dropped because the text of each ad makes it clear that the heart is not desired, just a quick liaison or hook up. Now, with TV shows like Grey’s Anatomy that preaches, according to their web site, everything is just shades of grey, we see a young woman doctor going to a bar, picking up an anonymous man for anonymous sex. No AIDS, no STDs, just sex. And everybody is happy.
Let’s be specific when we talk about taking God out of society so we can know what to avoid and what to firmly, and politely complain about. Wealthy people in business suits own large companies and plan to put these things out there. Money is budgeted, a timetable is set up. We need to realize that some of these people very much want to create a world in their own image and for what they like. To make it legal and perfectly acceptable. That’s why Pope Benedict has spoken about Indifference. There is such a thing as right and wrong but if we go along with: “Hey, What’s the big deal,” we aren’t standing up for the good when we should.
Peace,
Ed
Cohabitation: Now the government is talking about granting benefits to two people who have no real commitment toward one another.
Marriage: “I don’t need no piece of paper to live with my old lady.” Answer I got from a Hippie friend of mine. Now the government is involved in ‘other definitions’ of marriage.
Marijuana: “Smoke dope, man. Expand your mind.” The Surgeon General of the United States issue a warning about marijuana use. Now a few in the government are talking about legalizing it for general use.
Adult Entertainment: Thanks to a lot of high priced lawyers defending porn, it’s difficult to avoid it: gas stations, convenience stores and the less obvious versions sold in supermarkets. The government has allowed vice to take hold. Something that has been shown is harmful to marriage and society in general. The National Organization for Women has a "no position’ position on prostitution. Now prostitutes are being exploited, but these women are no longer viewed as victims of the male chauvenists pigs - men - who view and buy most of it.
Classified ads for adultery and fornication: A Detroit newspaper is running ads under a section called “Wild Hearts.” The word “hearts” should be dropped because the text of each ad makes it clear that the heart is not desired, just a quick liaison or hook up. Now, with TV shows like Grey’s Anatomy that preaches, according to their web site, everything is just shades of grey, we see a young woman doctor going to a bar, picking up an anonymous man for anonymous sex. No AIDS, no STDs, just sex. And everybody is happy.
Let’s be specific when we talk about taking God out of society so we can know what to avoid and what to firmly, and politely complain about. Wealthy people in business suits own large companies and plan to put these things out there. Money is budgeted, a timetable is set up. We need to realize that some of these people very much want to create a world in their own image and for what they like. To make it legal and perfectly acceptable. That’s why Pope Benedict has spoken about Indifference. There is such a thing as right and wrong but if we go along with: “Hey, What’s the big deal,” we aren’t standing up for the good when we should.
Peace,
Ed
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JReducation
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You certainly have put a great deal of thought into this post and I want to thank you for it. I would add one more thing here, the dignity of life. None of the issues that we have mentioned here are real issues when human life is reduced to a clump of tissues that is disposable. It is at this point that the Holy Father’s message of a godless world makes perfect sense. If man assumes the right to destroy life and allow life, then all of the rights that you nave mentioned above follow logically in a humanistic humanism. On the other hand, the Holy Father seems to be saying that he does not want to impose a christian humanism, but hopes that society can reach it through reason.
If reason is the means, then your statement makes perfect sense. We must disagree and know what to disagree with. This is both reason and Christian ethic. Then you add that we must also do this politely, which is the humanist Christian who speaks truth in charity.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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edwest2
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Thank you for your comments. Our trust in authority has been abused too many times. Even the niece of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. was led to believe it was a lump of tissue. She accepted what the authority told her.
We are constantly told to accept “choice.” Abortion is a choice, often made under very difficult conditions for the mother. It is not forced on us. It is a wrong choice.
As long as a deformed relationship pattern between men and women is promoted. When true love is exchanged for just sex, all are harmed. When we trust the experts to tell us a pill or condom or some other artificial means takes away our responsibility and our guilt then we are again, being encouraged to make a bad choice.
When we, as parents, convince ourselves that we shouldn’t even try to explain sexuality as it really is to our kids, who is to blame if they look elsewhere for answers? The real tragedy is that some parents actually believe the lie that they cannot control their own children who are young and stupid and have no real, practical ideas about the outside world and need the guidance of their parents. When we accept the lie that you can’t hope to prevent your own kids from being chaste until marriage, where is our faith? In who do we trust? The secular world which is promoting sex of any and all kinds 24/7?
Peace,
Ed
We are constantly told to accept “choice.” Abortion is a choice, often made under very difficult conditions for the mother. It is not forced on us. It is a wrong choice.
As long as a deformed relationship pattern between men and women is promoted. When true love is exchanged for just sex, all are harmed. When we trust the experts to tell us a pill or condom or some other artificial means takes away our responsibility and our guilt then we are again, being encouraged to make a bad choice.
When we, as parents, convince ourselves that we shouldn’t even try to explain sexuality as it really is to our kids, who is to blame if they look elsewhere for answers? The real tragedy is that some parents actually believe the lie that they cannot control their own children who are young and stupid and have no real, practical ideas about the outside world and need the guidance of their parents. When we accept the lie that you can’t hope to prevent your own kids from being chaste until marriage, where is our faith? In who do we trust? The secular world which is promoting sex of any and all kinds 24/7?
Peace,
Ed
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rk1776
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The world is already Godless. Our punishment is a foregone conclusion and there’s nothing we can do except postpone the inevitable and you know it.
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Darryl1958
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It would be fair to conclude then that a godless society is necessarily a nihilistic society, for it offers either no hope, or at best an illusory hope that will not withstand the sands of time.
Therefore, by becoming a nihilistic society, a godless society inevitably will become a murderous society, inclined to to its own destruction, to the destruction of human life itself.
For if man’s deepest desires are transcendent ones, and even the remote possibility of a transcendent reality is not allowed for, is not even possible without God; if even the idea of value and morality become deemed meaningless for their being outside the realm of what is available to scientific inquiry, then such a life cannot really be argued to be worth living.
The ultimate expression of nihilism therefore is not the Auschwitz of the article, nor Soviet gulags, nor Mao’s China where the Yellow river ran red with the blood of those classes purged from society, nor the Killing Fields, not the myriad of other genocides that are still within living memory of us and people we know, not even the death clouds rising over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
For in all these examples of nihilism or mass destruction, the illusion of the hope of transcendence for a godless society still existed and was still held out to be the light at the end of the tunnel.
Nay, in terms of nihilism, its ultimate expression is to be found in the hundred of millions of abortions that define the post-modern world and include virtually all cultures, all creeds, all colors, and all regions of the globe today. It is defined by a world of eschatological cults, of which jiadist Islam is the only most prominent, where this modern life is deemed just too base to be lived, and by a world where birth control gives rise to the idea that it is better to never have even been born than to live in the modern world.
As the article points out, for the pope not even Auschwitz is the ultimate expression of murderous godlessness.
For even if we accept the arguments of the abortionists that embryos defined protoplasmic tissue rather than humanity, the fact still remains. Choosing death though negating even the potential of their life’s continuance through abortion—even if it is not murder—, this is still the ultimate expression of the nihilistic belief that death is better than life.
From any premise the logic plays out the same. To fully accept the consequences of godlessness is to make abortion into the ultimate good.
Widespread abortion is the ultimate proof that even godless peoples in godless societies concede the fact that God is necessary for us to choose life.
Therefore, by becoming a nihilistic society, a godless society inevitably will become a murderous society, inclined to to its own destruction, to the destruction of human life itself.
For if man’s deepest desires are transcendent ones, and even the remote possibility of a transcendent reality is not allowed for, is not even possible without God; if even the idea of value and morality become deemed meaningless for their being outside the realm of what is available to scientific inquiry, then such a life cannot really be argued to be worth living.
The ultimate expression of nihilism therefore is not the Auschwitz of the article, nor Soviet gulags, nor Mao’s China where the Yellow river ran red with the blood of those classes purged from society, nor the Killing Fields, not the myriad of other genocides that are still within living memory of us and people we know, not even the death clouds rising over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
For in all these examples of nihilism or mass destruction, the illusion of the hope of transcendence for a godless society still existed and was still held out to be the light at the end of the tunnel.
Nay, in terms of nihilism, its ultimate expression is to be found in the hundred of millions of abortions that define the post-modern world and include virtually all cultures, all creeds, all colors, and all regions of the globe today. It is defined by a world of eschatological cults, of which jiadist Islam is the only most prominent, where this modern life is deemed just too base to be lived, and by a world where birth control gives rise to the idea that it is better to never have even been born than to live in the modern world.
As the article points out, for the pope not even Auschwitz is the ultimate expression of murderous godlessness.
For even if we accept the arguments of the abortionists that embryos defined protoplasmic tissue rather than humanity, the fact still remains. Choosing death though negating even the potential of their life’s continuance through abortion—even if it is not murder—, this is still the ultimate expression of the nihilistic belief that death is better than life.
From any premise the logic plays out the same. To fully accept the consequences of godlessness is to make abortion into the ultimate good.
Widespread abortion is the ultimate proof that even godless peoples in godless societies concede the fact that God is necessary for us to choose life.
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Darryl1958
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Well worth repeating.
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JReducation
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Whoah! Slow down. Our world is not godless. Read our holy Father Francis’ theology on this matter. It explains this concept the a series of metaphors and allegories that imply that God is alive and active in the world. The greatest sin that man can commit is to allow himself to die in mortal sin. Since there is a means and a midum o avoid that. I don’t believe tha the world is godless and neither does the Holy Father. The expression is borrowed fro ancient Church docments that insisted man lived as if he were totally and we put aside the notiion of God. Literally, the world is ot godless. God neer abandons he covenant. But God does not interfere with man’s plans to do anthing he wants, with or without him. In this sene, man can live as if the world were godless, bu the must pay the consequences. There is a differnce between the world being actually godless and soicey the misleading itself for its own ends.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Earnest_Bunbury
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How do we help and correct the world? Some even in the Church put their hope in using godly principles to correct the worlds institutions, as in liberation theology. There is a dissent from the Church in this in that it sees the Church’s ordination practices and the like as contrary to the respect of the person. This is so contrary to the true principle of God that is holiness, virtue, and suffering in sacrifice that is the true freedom, the freedom from that which separates us from God. We separate ourselves from God by replacing Him with that which is contrary to Him and His Will for us.
The truth of this can be seen in the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas and his ilk, in the principles that lead the fallen intellect to that which has been written into our heart. This is the Natural law and it is that which is corrupted in the secular definition of “freedom”. Separation from God is manifested in the separation of the guiding principles that are part of man’s nature. The devil is instrumental in guiding our thoughts away from the humble assent of Divine Truth. We cooperate in the devil’s plan in this by not trusting God and relying on our own ways in varying levels of distrust.
Concentrating on our union with God and helping those close to us, neighbors, is more beneficial than trying to fix the whole world asap. God is He in Whom we “move and have our being” so He is in control. Evil is part of the free choice of everyone and can be rejected by people if they want, they will reject evil if they know that God is their greatest Good. Without God, power becomes the authority of relativistic truth that replaces the humble acquiescence to the real Truth. Our personal union with God and helping others to see this is what will fix the world, in my opinion based on the study of our faith.
The truth of this can be seen in the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas and his ilk, in the principles that lead the fallen intellect to that which has been written into our heart. This is the Natural law and it is that which is corrupted in the secular definition of “freedom”. Separation from God is manifested in the separation of the guiding principles that are part of man’s nature. The devil is instrumental in guiding our thoughts away from the humble assent of Divine Truth. We cooperate in the devil’s plan in this by not trusting God and relying on our own ways in varying levels of distrust.
Concentrating on our union with God and helping those close to us, neighbors, is more beneficial than trying to fix the whole world asap. God is He in Whom we “move and have our being” so He is in control. Evil is part of the free choice of everyone and can be rejected by people if they want, they will reject evil if they know that God is their greatest Good. Without God, power becomes the authority of relativistic truth that replaces the humble acquiescence to the real Truth. Our personal union with God and helping others to see this is what will fix the world, in my opinion based on the study of our faith.
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GratefulFred
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I am NOT ready to blame a CULTURE for 9-11. In any culture we see deviants who do not represent that culture in their dispicable behaviour.
What empirical evidence do we have that the 19 men were “perfectly faithful and God believing adherents” ? No one can claim perfect faithfulness much less assign it to others we never met personally. How often have we ourselves misunderstood our own religious beliefs? Or used them to do a wrong?
The promise of paradise: Can any one say he has NOT fallen prey to a smooth talking salesman who wanted to sell us something for HIS advantage and not ours? And later we regretted buying into his lies?
This past Saturday I took my grandchildren to the “Abraham Lincoln, Malice Toward None” exhibit that is touring selected US cities. As to our CIvil War, Lincoln believed that when God wants to right a serious wrong, He first punishes both sides.
I don’t know if this IS God’s way, but it merits our consideration.
Popes understand that their words carry great weight and they DO choose them very carefully. Perhaps some rush into misunderstanding because the POPE has thoughts we don’t, or don’'t want to, understand.
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JReducation
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The most common reaction that has come from North America and Europe on this statement is that “the pope has to be careful of what he says.” In Greek Logic you find a common fallacy to get around what do not like is to proclaim it as deficient or dangerous, without proving that it is such.
Think about some responses and this fallacy. Don’t fall into this.
Fraternally,
Br JR, OSF
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Darryl1958
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There is more evidence in fact that these men who spent their last hours in stripper bars, have fallen prey to the godlessness which is really a global phenomena.
Whatever we may think abotu the traditional religon of Islamism, it is clear that modern Islamism is infected with godlessness too.
In many ways, Islamism is an hysterical reaction against the godlessness of the modern world, whcih rings all too real and ominous in the ears of so many of its adherents.
This is not so much a battle between atheists vs theists. The message of godlessness infects virtually anybody in the modern world.
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