Pope will 'not be intimidated by petty gossip' over sex abuse scandals

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In a clear indication that the Vatican continues to insist the continual abuse revelations are part of a conspiracy the Pope said: “From God comes the courage not to be intimidated by petty gossip.”
Although he did not directly mention the crisis that has seen claims of abuse from Ireland, Germany, Austria, Holland and Brazil the 82 year old Pontiff’s message was evidently clear.
 
Good for him! Our beloved B16 deserted the Nazi Army, a few oportunistic critics are not going to intimidate him. :dts:
 
The above is a quote from the Pope’s sermon today, on Palm Sunday.

Unfortunately, what is swirling around him, his career and the Catholic church is not “petty gossip”. A lot of it is old, to be sure, but much of it, especially in Ireland, but also regarding the deaf boys in Milwaukee, is unresolved. All of it is very well documented. It’s *not *“petty gossip”.

And more of it is coming, a *lot *more, I suspect.

I don’t know how to suggest a resolution of this process–many corrections are already in place, but how to resolve the old problems, now re-surfacing. In Ireland, where heavy reparations have already been made, I think that heads are going to have to roll-metaphorically speaking, that is. Resignations. The Cardinal and the other bishops who offered their resignations to the Vatican. The Pope has accepted only one of these.

The Irish, persecuted from without for centuries, now persecuted from within, have long memories. This scandal has to be answered fully and completely now, or the Irish church may not recover.

In the US, reparations to the tune of two billion dollars have been made, but the move of former Boston Cardinal Bernard Law *to Rome *made a very bad impression. Weakland, who was responsible for his own dereliction, but not that of other priests (as far as we know) has retired to a Benedictine monastery, not to a cushy job in Rome.
 
anode said:
The above is a quote from the Pope’s sermon today, on Palm Sunday.

Unfortunately, what is swirling around him, his career and the Catholic church is not “petty gossip”. A lot of it is old, to be sure, but much of it, especially in Ireland, but also regarding the deaf boys in Milwaukee, is unresolved. All of it is very well documented. It’s *not *“petty gossip”.

And more of it is coming, a *lot *more, I suspect.

I don’t know how to suggest a resolution of this process–many corrections are already in place, but how to resolve the old problems, now re-surfacing. In Ireland, where heavy reparations have already been made, I think that heads are going to have to roll-metaphorically speaking, that is. Resignations. The Cardinal and the other bishops who offered their resignations to the Vatican. The Pope has accepted only one of these.

The Irish, persecuted from without for centuries, now persecuted from within, have long memories. This scandal has to be answered fully and completely now, or the Irish church may not recover.

In the US, reparations to the tune of two billion dollars have been made, but the move of former Boston Cardinal Bernard Law *to Rome *made a very bad impression. Weakland, who was responsible for his own dereliction, but not that of other priests (as far as we know) has retired to a Benedictine monastery, not to a cushy job in Rome.
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I don’t agree with you. This has been swirling around for months now. I don’t see what new cases, well old cases from decades could come out now. I pray there is not any more.

I do agree that anyone that is alive that was involved in any cover up, needs to step down. Like Cardinal Sean Brady.

On the Wisconsin case, of the Priest who abuse the 200 deaf boys, when it comes to the Pope, it has been answered. The documents show that the canonical trial or penal process against Father Murphy was never stopped by anyone. In fact, it was only abandoned days before Father Murphy died. Cardinal Ratzinger never took a decision in the case, according to the documents. His deputy, Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, suggested, given that Father Murphy was in failing health and a canonical trial is a complicated matter, that more expeditious means be used to remove him from all ministry.

To repeat: The charge that Cardinal Ratzinger did anything wrong is unsupported by the documentation on which the story was based. He does not appear in the record as taking any decision. His office, in the person of his deputy, Archbishop Bertone, agreed that there should be full canonical trial. When it became apparent that Father Murphy was in failing health, Archbishop Bertone suggested more expeditious means of removing him from any ministry.

Furthermore, under canon law at the time, the principal responsibility for sexual-abuse cases lay with the local bishop. Archbishop Weakland had from 1977 onwards the responsibility of administering penalties to Father Murphy. He did nothing until 1996. It was at that point that Cardinal Ratzinger’s office became involved, and it subsequently did nothing to impede the local process.

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I believe that God has orchestrated a clean up of His Church. If He wants the Pope gone, the Pope will be gone. If he doesn’t want the Pope gone, the Pope will stay.

But make no mistake, or delude one’s self, if there is abuse going on now (and if we’re following a seemingly endless trend, it most likely is) it’s too soon to tell because it won’t come out until later. Victims generally don’t come forward until they are emotionally ready to do so. Something tells me we’ll be singing this song again in another ten or so years if things don’t change.
 
Rence said:
I believe that God has orchestrated a clean up of His Church. If He wants the Pope gone, the Pope will be gone. If he doesn’t want the Pope gone, the Pope will stay.

But make no mistake, or delude one’s self, if there is abuse going on now (and if we’re following a seemingly endless trend, it most likely is) it’s too soon to tell because it won’t come out until later. Victims generally don’t come forward until they are emotionally ready to do so. Something tells me we’ll be singing this song again in another ten or so years if things don’t change.
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Well things have changed now, and the recent reports show that. The problem is the past. The problem is the covering up, the treating of pedophila with therapy etc. Circa 1960. I don’t want to hear more of these claims from decades ago again in a few months. It should all come out in the wash now! Hopefully we’ve heard the last of it! It’s the only way all of us can move on, including the victims!
 
lemonbeam said:
Well things have changed now, and the recent reports show that. The problem is the past. The problem is the covering up, the treating of pedophila with therapy etc. Circa 1960. I don’t want to hear more of these claims from decades ago again in a few months. It should all come out in the wash now! Hopefully we’ve heard the last of it! It’s the only way all of us can move on, including the victims!
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Famous Last Words.–"…we’ve heard the last of it!"

I think that this is only the beginning. This crisis is stopping only long enough to spit on its hands. The pope should move now , especially in regards to Ireland, with the resignation of the Cardinal and bishops, and try to put that to rest before his visit to the UK. Because many allegations in Germany are emerging, possibly others in Munich during his tenure there, that may take a little longer.

We haven’t seen the last of this. Benedict has to do a lot more than characterize this as “petty gossip”–it is neither.
 
anode said:
Famous Last Words.–"…we’ve heard the last of it!"

I think that this is only the beginning. This crisis is stopping only long enough to spit on its hands. The pope should move now , especially in regards to Ireland, with the resignation of the Cardinal and bishops, and try to put that to rest before his visit to the UK. Because many allegations in Germany are emerging, possibly others in Munich during his tenure there, that may take a little longer.

We haven’t seen the last of this. Benedict has to do a lot more than characterize this as “petty gossip”–it is neither.
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I said Hopefully we’ve heard the last of it. I haven’t heard new abuse reports since the Wisconsin case I think. All these news reports and lawyers that are working trying to find more will have found by more, surely. I haven’t heard any more reports from Germany since a week or so ago. But the Pope can’t ask for resignations can he? Who do you think should resign?
 
I cannot believe that the Holy Father would call what’s going on “petty gossip.” Was this given in Italian? I’m going to look it up.
 
lemonbeam said:
The problem is the past. The problem is the covering up, the treating of pedophila with therapy etc.
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the problem was seminaries filled with homosexuals. hopefully, that problem no longer exists.
 
Thekla said:
I cannot believe that the Holy Father would call what’s going on “petty gossip.” Was this given in Italian? I’m going to look it up.
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Of course this speech must of been given in Italian.
  1. The telegraph is suspicious, we don’t know if his intention was referring to the abuse.
  2. And more importantly if anyone has studied languages you would know that a single word off word of translation can make the sentence entirely different! You should try and try find the original text in Italian.
 
With a man in his position, He should expect gossipers to speak against him as they did with Jesus, I think any one who is given the responsibility over a church will suffer some type of persecution either to be tested or harassed for Christs sake. Im 100% sure that before even ordaining him, He was shaked down for skeletons in his closet. As the president and all others in high positions. God bless the pope, I’ll keep you in prayer
 
Bless Pope Benedict. As for hearing the last of it, I doubt that some in the media will ever let it go. They are less interested in the truth than they are in inflicting damage upon the Church.
 
anode said:
Famous Last Words.–"…we’ve heard the last of it!"

I think that this is only the beginning. This crisis is stopping only long enough to spit on its hands. The pope should move now , especially in regards to Ireland, with the resignation of the Cardinal and bishops, and try to put that to rest before his visit to the UK. Because many allegations in Germany are emerging, possibly others in Munich during his tenure there, that may take a little longer.

We haven’t seen the last of this. Benedict has to do a lot more than characterize this as “petty gossip”–it is neither.
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*QUESTION…what has the Pope decided as it relates to those who are alive, and contributed to the scandals in the past? Haven’t read anything about that, anyone know? *
 
John Chapter 15- If the world hates you relize it hated me first. If you belong to the world the world would love its own but because you dont belong to the world and I have chosen you out of the world the world hates you. No servant is greater than his master. If they persecuted me they will also persecute you.

This reminds me of the Catholic Church today. Everybody wants to bring it down but they never will.
 
If anyone has any evidence let them take it to their local law-makers, trial by media is not acceptable, paper doesn’t refuse ink.

The police and their grannies know about this alleged thing the Pope did, I feel for any innocent victim, their memories are tarnished, nightmares I’m sure.

There was an Exorcism not that far from Rome at the time of Pope Benedict’s xvi’s election to the Chair of Peter, seems the devil didn’t want him according to the possessed person.

If God choose him, who can be against him, if God wants him removed, then removed he shall be.

We can huff and puff all we like, but Jesus was true to His own parable, He built His house on a rock.

The storm rages outside, will the house fall down ?

I’m sure He built it on a Rock for a good reason.
 
lemonbeam said:
I said Hopefully we’ve heard the last of it. I haven’t heard new abuse reports since the Wisconsin case I think. All these news reports and lawyers that are working trying to find more will have found by more, surely. I haven’t heard any more reports from Germany since a week or so ago. But the Pope can’t ask for resignations can he? Who do you think should resign?
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I believe that the Pope can ask for resignations. Those who are being asked to resign are Cardinal Brady and the remaining bishops who have tendered their resignations, which have not yet been accepted by the Vatican.

Cardinal Brady was the one who, when confronted by the two boys testifying about the abuse of Fr. Smyth, not only didn’t address the abuse, required the boys to sign oaths of secrecy. Smyth was a notorious abuser, whose abuse was documented in 100 cases, was sent to prison and died there–convicted 18 years after the initial testimony by the two boys. This was all 35 years ago–a long time, true, but Smyth was on the loose for 18 more years.

The pope did not know all of this when the story broke, of course. But the Irish are furious about all of this, after enduring decades of abuse, knowing about the abuse, and recent *denial *of abuse by hostile lawyers acting for the church during the Ryan Commission investigation–this is on the YouTube clip-- and defense of the abusers by the likes of Donahue.

I feel that if the Cardinal and bishops don’t resign, that if and when the pope visits the UK, there will be large and hostile demonstrations dogging his visit. Apparently there is unimpeded travel between Ireland and the UK. I don’t know if he’s visiting the Republic of Ireland or not.
 
You know how the Telegraph translated it as Pope said he will ‘not be in intimidated by petty gossip over sex abuse.’ Well, on this article the Pope is said to have said ‘faith would give him the courage not to be intimidated by critics.’

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100328/ts_nm/us_pope_abuse

It seems to me the Telegraph is doing their own twisting.
 
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