Pope's meeting with Kim Davis not an endorsement, Vatican says

[JimmyG88]

Exactly. What is wrong with Christ’s Vicar on Earth meeting with a martyr for the faith (i.e. Christianity, in the broad sense)? Indeed, it’s properly expected.

Isn’t this woman a serial adulteress? She certainly isn’t a role model of any of the female martyrs I admire.

 

[PRmerger]

Isn’t this woman a serial adulteress? She certainly isn’t a role model of any of the female martyrs I admire.

She can be a sinner who repented of her previous mistakes.

Or even if she’s unrepentant about being divorced and re-married, it doesn’t mean that she has to disobey her conscience and offer a marriage license to a homosexual couple.

One can be a sinner and still stand up for what’s right.

 

[JimmyG88]

She can be a sinner who repented of her previous mistakes.

Or even if she’s unrepentant about being divorced and re-married, it doesn’t mean that she has to disobey her conscience and offer a marriage license to a homosexual couple.

One can be a sinner and still stand up for what’s right.

Sure she can be all that but she’s no paragon of virtue nor is she a ‘martyr’

 

[PRmerger]

Sure she can be all that but she’s no paragon of virtue nor is she a ‘martyr’

She is a paragon of virtue in this particular area.

She is a martyr in that she has given up a great deal to stand up for what’s right.

 

[JimmyG88]

She is a paragon of virtue in this particular area.

She is a martyr in that she has given up a great deal to stand up for what’s right.

I think in order to be an example and classed as a ‘martyr’ her life up to now should certainly have been more of a shining example of moral rectitude than it has been so far. As far as I can see her own bodily desires were far from under control and she sets no example whatsoever for Catholic women. Maybe people who believe in re-re-marriage and adultery can admire her. I can’t

 

[PRmerger]

I think in order to be an example and classed as a ‘martyr’ her life up to now should certainly have been more of a shining example of moral rectitude than it has been so far. As far as I can see her own bodily desires were far from under control and she sets no example whatsoever for Catholic women. Maybe people who believe in re-re-marriage and adultery can admire her. I can’t

I don’t believe in re-re-marriage and adultery. But I do admire her.

I’m sure there have been folks in history who were better people, less of a sinner, who stood up for the right thing.

But I don’t judge Kim Davis for her past.

I simply look at what she’s doing right now and give her a high five for it.

 

[JimmyG88]

I don’t believe in re-re-marriage and adultery. But I do admire her.

I’m sure there have been folks in history who were better people, less of a sinner, who stood up for the right thing.

But I don’t judge Kim Davis for her past.

I simply look at what she’s doing right now and give her a high five for it.

I’m pleased that you can set all the other principles of Catholic belief to one side in order to set this person on s pedestal.

 

[Thomas_White]

She can be a sinner who repented of her previous mistakes.

Or even if she’s unrepentant about being divorced and re-married, it doesn’t mean that she has to disobey her conscience and offer a marriage license to a homosexual couple.

One can be a sinner and still stand up for what’s right.

She is the elected County Clerk with the authority to issue marriage licenses in that county. As the elected official, marriage licenses are issued and valid in that county per her authority whether she personally signs them or not. If she had not agreed to permit the issuing of marriage licenses, as her elected office requires, the federal judge would not have released her from jail. How is she standing up for what is right? It This is perception and politics.

 

[PRmerger]

I’m pleased that you can set all the other principles of Catholic belief to one side in order to set this person on s pedestal.

Careful, Jimmy. Insulting members of the CAFs is not permitted here.

It is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics, but I suggest you learn how to post a bit more charitably.

I suggest you follow the posting styles of some wonderful Protestant posters here to model your style: JonNC, AnnaScott, benjohnson

 

[JimmyG88]

Careful, Jimmy. Insulting members of the CAFs is not permitted here.

It is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics, but I suggest you learn how to post a bit more charitably.

I suggest you follow the posting styles of some wonderful Protestant posters here to model your style: JonNC, AnnaScott, benjohnson

I certainly do apologise if you see an insult. I appreciate that there might be a divergence of styles but not an insult. I would call it rhetoric. I can see that strong challenges to an opinion are often classed as ‘uncharitable’. The only thing I can say about that is that it is subjective

 

[PRmerger]

I certainly do apologise if you see an insult. I appreciate that there might be a divergence of styles but not an insult. I would call it rhetoric. I can see that strong challenges to an opinion are often classed as ‘uncharitable’. The only thing I can say about that is that it is subjective

At any rate, it is possible to see a sinner as doing something heroic.

The view, of not judging others for their past sins, is a very Catholic and Christ-like attitude.

 

[PRmerger]

She is the elected County Clerk with the authority to issue marriage licenses in that county. As the elected official, marriage licenses are issued and valid in that county per her authority whether she personally signs them or not. If she had not agreed to permit the issuing of marriage licenses, as her elected office requires, the federal judge would not have released her from jail. How is she standing up for what is right? It This is perception and politics.

She is refusing to execute a lie.

Not sure why perception and politics means that one is bound to profess a lie?

 

[JimmyG88]

At any rate, it is possible to see a sinner as doing something heroic.

The view, of not judging others for their past sins, is a very Catholic and Christ-like attitude.

Has she acknowledged her sinful past? Has she used the publicity surrounding her to repent her past or does her talent lie only in pointing out the errors of others?
Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

 

[PRmerger]

Has she acknowledged her sinful past? Has she used the publicity surrounding her to repent her past or does her talent lie only in pointing out the errors of others?

I have no idea.

And it’s irrelevant.

She’s doing something good and right at the moment.

Her sinful past shouldn’t be a factor here.

It’s like someone turning in a stolen car her brother stole.

And the Police Officer saying, “Didn’t I just hear you lie to your mother just now? Well, we’re not going to accept this stolen car from you. You are NOT a good person!”

That’s nonsense, eh?

Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

Egg-zactly!
Amen!

 

[JimmyG88]

I have no idea.

And it’s irrelevant.

She’s doing something good and right at the moment.

Her sinful past shouldn’t be a factor here.

It’s like someone turning in a stolen car her brother stole.

And the Police Officer saying, “Didn’t I just hear you lie to your mother just now? Well, we’re not going to accept this stolen car from you. You are NOT a good person!”

That’s nonsense, eh?

Egg-zactly!
Amen!

But it’s not about cars is it. It’s about sinful sexuality

 

[JimmyG88]

Why didn’t she get dismissed. I really can’t understand how a government employee or official can flaut the law and expect to remain employed. It sheer madness

 

[PRmerger]

But it’s not about cars is it. It’s about sinful sexuality

Oh, geez.

Imagine if you had been listening to Jesus tell the Parable of the Prodigal Son.

Would you have said, “But I’ve never eaten from the slop of pigs?”

Try to think in the abstract, Jimmy.

 

[Thomas_White]

She is refusing to execute a lie.

Not sure why perception and politics means that one is bound to profess a lie?

The point is she hasn’t accomplished anything, and the marriage licenses in the county are still issued under her authority as the elected government official. If she were truly taking a stand, I would think it would involve her resignation as the County Clerk. If she truly did take a stand while remaining in office by refusing again to permit her office from issuing marriage licenses there is the federal judge for her to answer to. I suggest the perception she has actually taken a stand is a political one.

 

[PRmerger]

The point is she hasn’t accomplished anything, and the marriage licenses in the county are still issued under her authority as the elected government official. If she were truly taking a stand, I would think it would involve her resignation as the County Clerk. If she truly did take a stand while remaining in office by refusing again to permit her office from issuing marriage licenses there is the federal judge for her to answer to.

Whether it accomplished anything is irrelevant.

Perhaps she’s set a precedent for other county clerks in other jurisdictions.

Perhaps some young person, who previously hadn’t thought anything amiss about 2 homosexuals getting married, is now thinking, “Huh. I didn’t know there was something wrong with 2 men getting married! Maybe I should investigate this more…”

I suggest the perception she has actually taken a stand is a political one.

Perhaps. But it’s also a moral one. And a religious one. And one which is consonant with natural law.

 

[JimmyG88]

Oh, geez.

Imagine if you had been listening to Jesus tell the Parable of the Prodigal Son.

Would you have said, “But I’ve never eaten from the slop of pigs?”

Try to think in the abstract, Jimmy.

Why don’t you give a pertinent example then.