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sallybutler
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If you believe that, especially about this Pope, I have a lovely bridge you might like to buy.
(Think about the stories of him going out among the poor at night without his Papal robes.)
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Pope's meeting with Kim Davis not an endorsement, Vatican says
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(Think about the stories of him going out among the poor at night without his Papal robes.)
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PRmerger
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Can you give an example of someone in history who acted in the way you believe to be correct, when acting as a government official faced with an unjust law?Yes. If protesting wasn’t enough, they should resign.
That is what being an honorable person is all about. That is saintly behavior. That is what true believers and martyers do.
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PRmerger
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Stay within the universe of discourse, sally.If you believe that, especially about this Pope, I have a lovely bridge you might like to buy.
(Think about the stories of him going out among the poor at night without his Papal robes.)
We are talking about formal meetings.
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Thomas_White
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I would think there have been many such instances.Do you think that there have ever been laws that government officials ought not have followed?
They could do both. I am no supporter of SSM, for sure, but in this instance I would resign rather than defy the law by refusing to perform the duties of my job while continuing to accept a paycheck for performing those duties. What do you think would happen if the U.S. President defied the U.S. Supreme Court and refused to follow a direct order of a federal court? There is the larger issue of the rule of law.If so, should they have resigned, or stood up and protested the injustice of the law?
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sallybutler
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Can you give an example of someone in history who acted in the way you believe to be correct, when acting as a government official faced with an unjust
SAINT THOMAS MORE
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sallybutler
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Double sigh. It wasn’t a formal meeting.Stay within the universe of discourse, sally.
We are talking about formal meetings.
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PRmerger
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Excellent.SAINT THOMAS MORE
Did he voluntarily resign when he disagreed with the unjust law?
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sallybutler
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People are suggesting that the Pope only meets with people who have been vetted to have beliefs the Pope agrees with and that is why he met with Kim Davis. If that supposition is true, then he must agreed with President Obama.Ummm…nope.
Not sure what prompted that question, but it’s the biggest nonsequitur I’ve seen in a long time.
Just following the logic.
BTW, I hate auto spell.
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Thorolfr
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I’m not sure about whether the RFRA laws apply in her case. They usually do not cover public employee who refuse to carry out their official duties. And as to whether she has a moral right to do what she’s doing, if she is indeed a hypocrite wouldn’t that kind of undermine her moral standing?Some call her a hypocrite but that doesn’t address whether she has a right, legally under the U.S. federal RFRA or state RFRA and morally, to not have to partake in the issuing of same-sex marriage licenses, and the same goes for other clerks.
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PRmerger
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Of course it was.Double sigh. It wasn’t a formal meeting.
It was planned. There was security. There was an invitation.
“Davis was one of “several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet [Pope Francis] as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City”
yahoo.com/politics/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html
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Thorolfr
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I don’t think any of her husbands have been Catholic. Does that make a difference or are only Catholic marriages or Catholic husbands valid?Was her first husband Catholic?
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sallybutler
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Why don’t you tell me, since you are smarter than me.Excellent.
Did he voluntarily resign when he disagreed with the unjust law?
Are you saying that not one single person ever resigned than do the wrong thing. I know you are wrong, because I personally quit a job rather than do the wrong thing. And I didn’t have a savings account that would tied me over.
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Thorolfr
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So the thousands of people who were invited to greet the Pope at the White House were also all having formal meetings with the Pope?Of course it was.
It was planned. There was security. There was an invitation.
“Davis was one of “several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet [Pope Francis] as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City”
yahoo.com/politics/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html
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sallybutler
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Nope. Non Catholic marriages are recognized as valid marriages.I don’t think any of her husbands have been Catholic. Does that make a difference or are only Catholic marriages or Catholic husbands valid?
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PRmerger
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LOL!!People are suggesting that the Pope only meets with people who have been vetted to have beliefs the Pope agrees with and that is why he met with Kim Davis. If that supposition is true, then he must agreed with President Obama.
No one has said that he was “vetted to have beliefs the Pope agrees with”.
Please follow the conversation, sally. Stay with it before making nonsequiturs and offering conclusions that are illogical.
In fact, I think that I am going to have to bow out of discussions with you because the nonsequiturs and unreasonable assertions are disagreeable to me.
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PRmerger
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Source, please, for their religion.I don’t think any of her husbands have been Catholic.
If they are Catholic, they are bound to follow the laws of the CC.Does that make a difference or are only Catholic marriages or Catholic husbands valid?
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sallybutler
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In other words, when someone uses your logic to support positions you don’t like, you quit.LOL!!
No one has said that he was “vetted to have beliefs the Pope agrees with”.
Please follow the conversation, sally. Stay with it before making nonsequiturs and offering conclusions that are illogical.
In fact, I think that I am going to have to bow out of discussions with you because the nonsequiturs and unreasonable assertions are disagreeable to me.
I did not say that the Pope agreed with President Obama, I said the logic could be used to say he did.
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Thomas_White
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It is a bit confusing.Nope. Non Catholic marriages are recognized as valid marriages.
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PRmerger
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Excellent.They could do both.
So you’re not opposed to Kim Davis protesting the law?
You think it’s permissible for folks to refuse to follow an unjust law, yes?
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sallybutler
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Not really. The Church views baptisms and marriages by other Christian churches as valid baptisms and marriages. If you convert, as long as it isn’t from JW or Morman, your baptism is valid. Same with marriages, although I think there isn’t even that restriction. If you have a civil marriage, it is valid.It is a bit confusing.
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