Yes, the Church has already singled out abortion numerous times as a grave matter. This has been promulgated and is not questioned. So why is this even an issue? It is not the entirety of Catholic teaching. Cannot the pope ever speak of anything else?
Of course you need to copy comments, or provide the post numbers. Who cares if you offend them? We wouldn’t post our thoughts publically if we cared what others thought of us. It isn’t as though you are tattling.
I don’t know - you tell me. How often do we speak of the Nazis and skip over the Holocaust? I think sometimes people say this sort of thing and claim to get how evil abortion is, when they clearly do not. Not to their core, anyway.
Did you suppose Congress at a time when the issue threatens to shut down the federal government did not already understand this is an important issue? I saw the pope’s remarks concerning the sanctity of all life as encompassing abortion as well as the Pope’s not wanting to wade into partisan politics while speaking to Congress by specifically singling out abortion, particularly when everyone already knew the Church’s position.
I care if I offend them and don’t wish to single anyone out. The comments are there and not hard to find.
Who said he can’t speak on these other issues? The only criticism is that he seems to do that while diminishing other issues. Seem my post #58 on this thread. It isn’t that he said anything that wasn’t Catholic. The only criticism is on tactics, not on substance.
How do you offend someone by quoting what they posted on a public forum?
But he did wade into partisan politics by speaking explicitly about capital punishment and climate change. Are those issues not just as partisan as abortion and same sex marriage?
I would explain it this way. Though it is on a vastly smaller scale, it is perhaps for the same reason Pope Francis did not specially mention abortion in his comment before Congress concerning respect for human life in all its stages. In that setting, it would surely have been only devisive to do so. It is the same thing here. It would perhaps introtroduce divisiveness by singling out a particular comment when I think everyone already knows there is decisiveness about a focus on abortion.
How do you figure that because the Pope spoke against climate change and capital punishment he is engaging in partisan politics…on the issue of capital punishment he is reiterating what the previous two Popes have said as heads of the Catholic Church…he speaks on climate change also as head of the Catholic Church…whether people agree or disagree…not as an American partisan politician…he addresses those issues to the world…abortion and SSM are against Catholic teaching…again…nothing to do with partisan politics…the ones who accuse the Pope of playing partisan politics are the ones who are doing it
He also stated that people need to stop trying to put these non-negotiable issues
Actually, he was lapsed when we married, in my Church, we went through all the hoops of Radical Sanation, because I would not agree to raise the kids Catholic.
And also in the Catholic Catecism :
Okay then. Define “love.” For most Christians, it means truly caring for the well being and wanting the best for your fellow man as God does.
Is climate change a partisan issue within Congress? Is capital punishment a partisan issue in Congress? Papa Francis spoke on these partisan issues with clarity.
Here’s the point. When I asked why he was vague on abortion and SSM, the response has been:
That is a very legalistic comment really. It doesn’t recognise the natural interplay between human issues. For example, in medieval Europe Bubonic illness being recognised as a fatal illness was treated medically in a certain way. When the disease hit plague proportions killing millions of people across the continent a new approach had to be found, hence rather than pouring more energy into treatments, emphasise fell onto the cultural practices. Quarantine measures were established. Hygiene practices were paid more attention too. Travel and the nomadic life were discouraged. All these measures concerning the culture took precedence over just targeting the main disease.
Which is has been doing and will be doing big time for 100s of years to come just from our current emissions (at this point there is no hope for sustainability, only reliance to cut the losses), not counting what more we will be profligately emitting on into the future with even a greater death toll perhaps over the next 100,000 years IF we don’t cease and desist from such harms.
We’ve spent the last 25 years disproving that utter nonsense from folks who have no idea at all, bec they have not made even the slightest effort to stop their contributions to this harm and killing. That is, we have reduced our GHG emissions and other concomitant pollution that harms and kills by over 60% below our 1990 emissions level cost effectively, saving us money without lowering our living standard.
I do want the best for everyone else, but I wouldn´t dare say I love everyone, just because of of that. To me, love involves self sacrifice as well.
When Pope Francis spoke of those issues he did so by providing Catholic teaching which transcends partisan politics. The Catholic Church opposes both abortion and capital punishment and AGW. It is that simple.