Pope's visit to Portgual may shed light on Third Secret of Fatima

[Teelynn]

This is a direct link to the part about the Third Secret on the Drew Mariani show:

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About halfway through is when Dr. Miravelle starts speaking. This is someone with a history of saying the Third Secret has been published in its entirety while ignoring the overwhelming evidence to contrary, but now he is doing an about-face after returning from a trip to the Vatican/Rome and is endorsing the position of major critics on the Third Secret that there is a missing one page text of the Secret that has never been published which speaks of a great apostasy that begins at the top in the Church and is Apocalyptic in nature (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

Contrary to the claims of the host (Mariani) in the first half of the segment, there isn’t substantial proof that the consecration of Russia has been completed, either. In two published interviews after the last consecration attempt, Sr. Lucia stated that the last consecration attempt had failed. The first was published in Sol de Fatima Magazine in 1985, and the second in the Argentinian publication Para Ti in 1987. In addition, multiple scholars have challenged the authenticity of certain letters appearing after 1989 wherein Sr. Lucia allegedly claimed the consecration had been completed, concluding that these letters were forgeries. Aside from that, Cardinal Bertone claims Sr. Lucia told him the consecration had been completed in his book, a book full of lies which have been debunked in Christopher Ferrara’s book, The Secret Still Hidden. Dr. Miravelle actually suggests during his speech that Pope Benedict is distancing himself from Cardinal Sodano and Bertone on Fatima.

Like I said, I missed part of the interview.:doh2:However, I knew from listening to Drew Mariani (the host) and Dr. Miravelle, that this was something big… really big…something new, if only because of the fact that Drew has always pooh poohed the camp of believers that has claimed the secret was not revealed and the consecration to Russia was not really completed. I have been listening to him for some time now, and several times in past years the subject has come up. He has always held the belief that Pope John Paul completed everything by his 1985 consecration and the revelation of the secret. Has always been one of those that would not budge an inch on the subject. Almost to the point of not wanting to listen to the argument at all. So when he announced that he would have the Dr. on his show, and there were questions in regard to the entire secret being revealed, I was really floored!:bigyikes: Enough to really “sit up and take notice”!

It is definitely something to keep your eyes and ears open about!! I am confused, however, as to Sr. Lucia stating that Russia had been consecrated correctly, maybe not perfectly but acceptable. That’s what I remember them saying.

 

[VitaminC]

It is definitely something to keep your eyes and ears open about!! I am confused, however, as to Sr. Lucia stating that Russia had been consecrated correctly, maybe not perfectly but acceptable. That’s what I remember them saying.

She didn’t state that. That’s because just weeks ago the two of them were kissing up to Cardinal Bertone’s ecclesiastical authority. Now that someone reliable in the Vatican has suggested to them that Pope Benedict may be distancing himself from Bertone on this matter, Miravelle is suddenly flip-flopping his position and joining the critics who just weeks ago he implied in an indirect fashion were stupid and uninformed while promoting his own academic expertise. I see no apparent objectivity from them. What I see is an eagerness to support authority.

The only thing she said that had been somewhat acceptable was a consecration of the world that shortened WWII. But deceitful individuals sometimes try to blend these together.

The allegation that she said the consecration of Russia had been completed and accepted was a lie. We have two published interviews from completely unrelated sources in the 1980’s where she said the consecration of Russia had not been completed at all.

Aside from that, we have Cardinal Bertone’s alleged interview with her. He’s been proven to have lied about Fatima. His book is full of provable contradictions, half-truths, and lies. It’s been fully exposed by Christopher Ferrara in his book. There was also an interview by Carlos Evaristo. This person published a pamphlet afterwards wherein he claimed that Sr. Lucia said the consecration of Russia had been successful. A priest and witness present published a statement afterwards that Evaristo was a liar. Evaristo then tried to say he had a “bad memory” and had “reconstructed” the interview. Then Fr. Coelho, a priest associated with Sr. Lucia’s order, stated that they had received an order from the Vatican (Secretary of State) in 1989 to start saying the consecration of Russia had been accepted. After that, highly dubious typewritten letters started appearing where Lucia allegedly said the consecration of Russia had been accepted. Multiple scholars concluded the letters to be forgeries. A couple of them contained errors of fact Sr. Lucia wouldn’t have made, and the signatures were questionable. One independent and recognized scholar and Fatima author, Frere Francois, was so incensed by these forged letters that he confronted Rector Guerra of the Fatima shrine about it, whom he believed was one of the persons behind it. He’s quoted as saying to Guerra, “Internal criticism of these letters shows that they are fakes”. Guerra refused to comment. There’s a picture of this confrontation.

So, that’s the type of stuff we’re dealing with. And in a taped interview with Bernard Janzen, Fr. Malachi Martin, a priest who worked in the Vatican and had personal contact with the pope and Cardinal Bea during the time when the Third Secret was opened, stated flatly in the mid '90’s that agents for the Vatican had “published forged letters” in Lucy’s name and “put statements on her lips she never made.”

 

[Teelynn]

She didn’t state that. That’s because just weeks ago the two of them were kissing up to Cardinal Bertone’s ecclesiastical authority. Now that someone reliable in the Vatican has suggested to them that Pope Benedict may be distancing himself from Bertone on this matter, Miravelle is suddenly flip-flopping his position and joining the critics who just weeks ago he implied in an indirect fashion were stupid and uninformed while promoting his own academic expertise. I see no apparent objectivity from them. What I see is an eagerness to support authority.

The only thing she said that had been somewhat acceptable was a consecration of the world that shortened WWII. But deceitful individuals sometimes try to blend these together.

The allegation that she said the consecration of Russia had been completed and accepted was a lie. We have two published interviews from completely unrelated sources in the 1980’s where she said the consecration of Russia had not been completed at all.

Aside from that, we have Cardinal Bertone’s alleged interview with her. He’s been proven to have lied about Fatima. His book is full of provable contradictions, half-truths, and lies. It’s been fully exposed by Christopher Ferrara in his book. There was also an interview by Carlos Evaristo. This person published a pamphlet afterwards wherein he claimed that Sr. Lucia said the consecration of Russia had been successful. A priest and witness present published a statement afterwards that Evaristo was a liar. Evaristo then tried to say he had a “bad memory” and had “reconstructed” the interview. Then Fr. Coelho, a priest associated with Sr. Lucia’s order, stated that they had received an order from the Vatican (Secretary of State) in 1989 to start saying the consecration of Russia had been accepted. After that, highly dubious typewritten letters started appearing where Lucia allegedly said the consecration of Russia had been accepted. Multiple scholars concluded the letters to be forgeries. A couple of them contained errors of fact Sr. Lucia wouldn’t have made, and the signatures were questionable. One independent and recognized scholar and Fatima author, Frere Francois, was so incensed by these forged letters that he confronted Rector Guerra of the Fatima shrine about it, whom he believed was one of the persons behind it. He’s quoted as saying to Guerra, “Internal criticism of these letters shows that they are fakes”. Guerra refused to comment. There’s a picture of this confrontation.

So, that’s the type of stuff we’re dealing with. And in a taped interview with Bernard Janzen, Fr. Malachi Martin, a priest who worked in the Vatican and had personal contact with the pope and Cardinal Bea during the time when the Third Secret was opened, stated flatly in the mid '90’s that agents for the Vatican had “published forged letters” in Lucy’s name and “put statements on her lips she never made.”

What a coincidence to bring Fr. Martin into it. I am now reading one of his books “Windswept House”. He died an unusual death in 2000 (I believe)…fell from his wheelchair? But when taken to the hospital there was a gash on the back of his skull…was conscious for a while and told a friend he couldn’t see who “hit him”.
Hmmmmmm… He called “Windswept House” faction.

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Where did the Blessed Mother say…" Russia would be consecrated but it would be "late". We need to pray and sacrifice.