Popular Protestant pastor changes his mind on Holy Communion

[adf417]

adf417:

In this instance Jon, i do not agree with you on the misuse of the word protestant. Many times your point is taken, this time however i must respectfully disagree.

In what way?

In the way @Lenten_ashes1 used it with proper qualifiers “many” and “some”.

Peace!!!

 

[Wannano]

I could say the same about nominal Catholics who convert to Protestantism and become ‘heroes’ on their side, full of misinformation, yet tickle the ears of the anti-Catholics.

Absolutely agree. I am more interested in listening to what former priests and nuns have to say.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

adf417:

In this instance Jon, i do not agree with you on the misuse of the word protestant. Many times your point is taken, this time however i must respectfully disagree.

In what way?

In the way @Lenten_ashes1 used it with proper qualifiers “many” and “some”.

Peace!!!

Not the first time, which is the only reason I commented about it.
That said, there are lurkers who should be informed about those who do properly train their clergy in the history of the only Church.
@Lenten_ashes1 did exactly that in his response, for which I’m grateful.

 

[Peeps]

They are considered trash until suddenly they realize that there is a more lucrative market inside Catholicism. As soon as they proclaim they believe in the Catholic Eucharist the Catholic world claims them as heroes and great preachers who are not qualified to be priests but are easily set up as great radio personalities and teachers who still tickle the ears of listeners and supporters.

I think you might be a little harsh.

First of all, I don’t agree that many of the fine converts “tickle the ears.” Perhaps there are cradle Catholics who chortle with hometown pride when they hear a former Protestant profess Catholicism and explain why the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ founded. But I can’t say I blame Catholics for being thrilled to hear a Protestant profess faith in Christ and His Church!

But for Protestants, listening to these speakers is hardly an ear-tickling experience. Quite the opposite–it’s like having your life totally upended! My husband and I are converts, and we owe our souls to all the wonderful people, both cradle Catholics and converts, who literally talked us down from our “zipline to hell.”

And I can’t imagine that the market would be so lucrative for a Protestant convert who becomes a Catholic radio personality or teacher. I suspect that many of these people live on the edge of financial disaster and are constantly short of money for basic expenses, and find it difficult to earn enough on the speaking circuit to support their families.

These guys (and occasional gals) get booked for retreats, conferences, missions, etc., and probably receive a nice honorarium and expenses, but it’s not a regular income, and it means time away from home, which leaves a spouse and children’ on their own–that’s hard.

And what happens during a dry time when bookings just aren’t happening? I have a daughter who works in the entertainment industry, and she learned a long time ago to keep a hefty financial buffer in the bank for those dry times when no one is interested in hiring her. That works OK for a single person like her, but for a family, that’s really tough–what if the kids want to join the local soccer team, or a wife needs some extra money to buy some new clothes, or the roof needs repairing–there goes the buffer!

I may be wrong, but I really doubt that being a Catholic convert is lucrative. If it is, then I’m kind of excited–I’m discerning whether I should write a book about the horrific experiences my husband and I had in our last Protestant church–experiences that literally caused us to run to the nearest Catholic Church to fulfill the command in Hebrews to “not forsake assembling with believers,” and eventually we converted to Catholicism (in large part because of those Protestant convert speakers!) I’m not going to complain if my book turns out to be a “lucrative” undertaking–it would be fun to be one of those families in our parish who contributes a million dollars to the parish!

Pray for me, that I will make the right decision about writing this book.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

I may be wrong, but I really doubt that being a Catholic convert is lucrative

It’s lucrative if you are as articulate as Scott Hahn or Tim Staples. Most of us are not, unfortunately.

I will say, if you are a convert, you do tend to get the local celebrity type status within your own parish. People are just more interested in what you have to say.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

John F. MacArthur, previously referenced, obviously has his axe to grind. Those are the types of folks I’m referring to.

 

[Wannano]

Peeps, I was not talking about ordinary people but rather supposedly big names…like the OP presented “popular Protestant.”

You have expressed the hurt that was inflicted on you numerous times here. Whether you write a book or not is totally up to you. You alone know what your motive would be. Vengeance is not an option.

 

[Cirdan_XII]

What kind of education these pastors get if they dont know that it was Body of Christ for the 1500 years?
And if I heard correctly he didn’t know there is 30k denominations!
And those pastors then lead other people.

I had the feeling he said that more in a rhetorical sense.

 

[Peeps]

It’s lucrative if you are as articulate as Scott Hahn or Tim Staples. Most of us are not, unfortunately.

I will say, if you are a convert, you do tend to get the local celebrity type status within your own parish. People are just more interested in what you have to say.

I honestly think Scott Hahn and Tim Staples have a lot less money than you think.

Both of them have several children. Hahn is a professor so he has an actual salary, but I can’t believe it’s enough to make him as wealthy as someone like Joel Osteen.

And although their books are popular among Catholics, they don’t have the sales that Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins made with the “Left Behind” series.

And you have to understand that both of these men LEFT well-paying careers in the Protestant world and faced some very lean years before making an impact among Catholics worldwide.

Even though there are Protestants who have been influenced by these teachers to convert, most Protestants have never, ever heard of them and would never, ever book them for any speaking engagement other than a debate with one of the Protestant apologists. So their income is limited to Catholics in the U.S. and possibly some overseas Catholics. That’s not a big market.

Finally, I just want to say that it was the lives and testimonies of regular, non-celebrity Catholics through the years, as they were used by the Holy Spirit, that had the biggest influence on me and my husband. In particular, way back when we were very young and riding a bus to the March For Life, a Catholic woman asked our names, and when we told her that we had two little girls staying with friends while we were at the March, she told us she would say a Rosary for our family–and she did, right there on the bus! That was such an amazing thing for us–and I believe that was the beginning of our journey home to the Catholic Church–almost 20 years before we actually converted! God answered her prayers!

 

[Lenten_ashes]

Finally, I just want to say that it was the lives and testimonies of regular, non-celebrity Catholics through the years, as they were used by the Holy Spirit, that had the biggest influence on me and my husband. In particular, way back when we were very young and riding a bus to the March For Life, a Catholic woman asked our names, and when we told her that we had two little girls staying with friends while we were at the March, she told us she would say a Rosary for our family–and she did, right there on the bus! That was such an amazing thing for us–and I believe that was the beginning of our journey home to the Catholic Church–almost 20 years before we actually converted! God answered her prayers!

Awesome.

Exact opposite for me. Nominal Catholics were a big hindrance for me entering the Church. So many of them exist in my city.

Speaking of that – Francis Chan speaking recently about the problems on both sides with nominal Christians:

 

[Lenten_ashes]

‘Separated brothers’ washing of the feet.:

 

[Leferdion]

From the way things are going he will probably end up catholic. But he should not feel under pressure if not it may push him away. It seems he even had an audience with other protestant pastors with the Pope Francis in Rome, he mentions it in the video. Such encounters change a person seeking truth forever, and wether we realise it or not, there is some Grace in just being or listening to a pope in thesame hall.