Population Bottleneck

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KevinK said:
Do you think there is more evidence for evolution or the miracle at Fatima?
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My answer is Fatima. There are many who witnessed the miracle of Fatima, but no one witnessed the evolution of species actually taking place.
 
edwest said:
Nothing has changed regarding the word polygenism.
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Yes it has. In the first half of the 20th century polygenism referred to the belief that the different human races evolved separately. Of course, no one believes that today. But today when people use the word they are usually referring to a population bottleneck in a single geographic location.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
Yes it has. In the first half of the 20th century polygenism referred to the belief that the different human races evolved separately. Of course, no one believes that today. But today when people use the word they are usually referring to a population bottleneck in a single geographic location.
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Polygenism means that there wasn’t just Adam and Eve at the beginning, but a population of people.
 
<<<<<<<<<In summary, just like the evolutionary arguments for human-ape common ancestry, the evolutionary arguments for mankind’s origin from a large population (rather than an original pair) are nothing more than type-3 experiments, which are useless in adjudicating between creation and evolution. There is no scientific evidence that we arose from a group of individuals rather than from Adam and Eve. If evolutionists wish to continue making their claims and be taken seriously, they need to propose a type-1 experiment.>>>>>>>>>

From the below link the summary above says evolutionists need to propose a type-1 experiment. Has that happened yet? If not, what if they do? The Creation side crumbles?

answersingenesis.org

Genetics Confirms the Recent, Supernatural Creation of Adam and Eve

A careful reading of Genesis 1–11 indicates that God created Adam and Eve supernaturally and without prior ancestry, and that all of humanity traces their ancestry back to this original couple.
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I agree. There are certainly contradictions, such as a fish with both lungs and gills, and animals that ‘evolved’ electricity generation and storage but none ever ‘evolved’ a simple (retractable or not) wheel. Most scientists tend to agree that there is no logical reason why the wheel has to be only part of human evolution. Apart from all that, Darwin hoped that new distinct ‘macro- not micro-evolution’ species would be created by scientists in the lab which has not happened.
 
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I assume they mated and reproduced and evolved.
 
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Hope1960 said:
And just so I’m sure I’m getting this right, this is just a partial list of scientists who don’t believe in macro-evolution but MIGHT believe in micro-evolution?
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They all probably believe in micro-evolution, since there is really nothing controversial about it. And many of them also believe in macro-evolution, but they don’t accept the Darwinian-type of macro-evolution.
 
Hope1960 said:
And just so I’m sure I’m getting this right, this is just a partial list of scientists who don’t believe in macro-evolution but MIGHT believe in micro-evolution?
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No one has an issue with micro-evolution, aka adaptation.
 
I would assume, again, that they blended in with everybody else. I really don’t know.
 
I don’t have any answers for you. I just know that I’ve always believed we evolved but now I’m considering a non-denominational (ND) church instead of Catholic but they don’t allow the freedom to choose one or the other. Well, I mean they can’t force me to be a Creationist but thats what they believe.
 
Hope1960 said:
Polygenism means that there wasn’t just Adam and Eve at the beginning, but a population of people
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The Bible does just as good of a job explaining that we came from a group of people as it does explaining we came from just two people. . It doesn’t explain where Cain’s wife came from, or any of the other people either. They were just there. Maybe God created them separately…as in…polygenesis 😲

The definition of polygenism doesn’t have anything to do with Adam and Eve. It’s a theory from the scientific world. There are different variations of it. The popular theory up until it was largely abandoned after WWll was that the different human races originated separately in various locations, hence the poly prefix with genesis meaning multiple genesis’. The theory was utterly disproved by genetics shortly after Humani Generis was written.

Today, the term polygenesis still retains it’s fundamental meaning when applied to a “bottle neck” population theory, even though it used to refer to a different theory. Both still fit under the term polygenesis, which is a secular term, not a theological term. It was unfortunate that the term had a broader meaning that is still used today, and confuses many people. But the context of the term makes it’s specific meaning clearer.

Another thing of note is that the term polygenism has not been used by the Church since. But the Church has made clear, even in Humani Generis, that it’s open to scientific studies on the subjects of the origins of humans, which currently involve things like genetics, bottleneck populations, and evolution.
 
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