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Techno2000
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Something that degrades Man.
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buffalo
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A further note: It is much more powerful when religious neutral scientists produce the papers. It is not for them to match up to the Biblical record. However, it does not exclude believing scientists from producing data. When they do, the non-believers really try to point out errors. In the end it is a good thing.
“Science can purify religion from error and superstition; religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes. Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish…” Pope John Paul II
“Science can purify religion from error and superstition; religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes. Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish…” Pope John Paul II
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goout
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Ok, I am still not sure what you are looking for here then.
Good luck to you.
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Hope1960
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I’m looking to learn more about the non evo, more literal side of Christian belief.
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Hope1960
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I emailed the pastor I’ve been talking to, again, and asked him about their belief in the dome and what in the Bible does he and doesn’t he believe is literal?
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rossum
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For some, but not all, definitions of “human”.
There is no scientific evidence one way or the other on whether Neanderthals (or Denisovans for that matter) had souls. As well as Neanderthal DNA, some modern humans have Denisovan DNA.
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buffalo
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They are all human.
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Hope1960
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That’s true, we don’t know. It kind of rocked my faith a little bit when I first read about the Neanderthals and Denisovians.
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rom
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Because there are other texts in Holy Scripture that you will need to explain, such as this: “Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.” (Rom 5:12).
We all descended from one pair of first parents, not several pairs.
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rossum
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If Adam and Eve had more starting diversity than four alleles at any one locus then they would not have been human because they would not have had any human DNA.
Do you have a sample of their DNA for us to sequence so we can see what they were like. Without their DNA to test, all you have is personal opinion.
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rossum
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… for some definitions of “human”. They were members of the Genus Homo, they were not members of the species Homo sapiens.
As to whether they were theologically human you can ask a theologian.
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Hope1960
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Then, now we’re back to science which believes that there was never a human population bottleneck of Noah and his family (however many that was) much less than there ever being just two people on earth.
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rossum
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It doesn’t. Lenski’s bacteria evolved to digest citrate when oxygen was present (which they couldn’t do before) in a few years. Some changes take a long time, others can occur much more quickly.
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rom
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Actually, I am not sure of that. Recent thinking is that Neanderthals branched out of the homo sapiens about 600,000 years ago. Image credit: File:Homo sapiens lineage.svg - Wikimedia Commons
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Techno2000
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But, it took 30 Million years for evolution to produce the Whale.Techno2000:
It doesn’t. Lenski’s bacteria evolved to digest citrate when oxygen was present (which they couldn’t do before) in a few years. Some changes take a long time, others can occur much more quickly.
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Hope1960
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How could we interbreed if they weren’t human, or, more importantly, do humans have parts of non human blood coursing through our veins?
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buffalo
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From Sanford’s paper:
Together, these various genetic mechanisms seem to falsify the claim that there is “no way” that two people could give rise to the human allele distribution that we see today.
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It seems to be the best explanation for how Adam and Eve might have simultaneously given rise to our current human allele patterns and our current linkage patterns.
In this paper we have used logic and numerical simulation to
show that there are several Designed Diversity mechanisms that
can reconcile a literal Adam and Eve with the allele frequency
distribution now seen in the human population. These genetic
mechanisms include: 1) designed diversity within Adam and
Eve’s four sets of chromosomes followed by accelerated genetic
drift associated with multiple population constrictions; 2) as
above, combined with more powerful demographic forces such
as selective sweeps, lineage extinctions, and differential sub-
population expansions; and 3) designed diversity within Adam
and Eve’s originally created gametogonia. Together, these various
genetic mechanisms seem to falsify the claim that there is “no way”
that two people could give rise to the human allele distribution that
we see today. The designed gametes model appears to be especially
robust, and in our opinion is even elegant. It seems to be the best
explanation for how Adam and Eve might have simultaneously
given rise to our current human allele patterns and our current
linkage patterns. Future research will examine the concept of
“demographic stirring” and how it may accelerate genetic drift.
Given the premise of a miraculously created Adam and Eve, the
most coherent, powerful, and compelling explanation for most of
the genetic diversity found within the human race is “designed
diversity”. This is especially true when we consider the various
forms of human beauty and the various forms of human gifts and
talents. Human traits of this type cannot rationally be attributed
to Darwinian mutation/selection. In addition, designed diversity
appears to have enabled rapid human adaptation after the flood.
http://creationicc.org/2018_papers/20 Sanford et al Adam and Eve final.pdf
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Thorolfr
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Most scientists, however, don’t think that Y-DNA Adam and Mitochondrial Eve knew each other or mated with each other or were necessarily living at the same time.
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