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ReaderT
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“Because when we resist the law we are in the spirit of God!”
Do they not realize Christ is the Lawgiver?
Do they not realize Christ is the Lawgiver?
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snarflemike
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I’m tempted to sign the petition “Martin Luther”.
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Phemie
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It is MLK. They’re really angry that the banner was taken down. One of the parishioners was complaining about it in The Oregonian comments. I asked, “When was Martin Luther King canonized?”
Tis_Bearself
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I didn’t object when I saw a statue of him (along with various other non-Catholic and non-Christian social justice leaders) at the Solanus Casey Shrine, but the statues were in the entrance to the shrine building. They were NOT in the worship space and certainly not hanging in the sanctuary, where I do not expect to see anybody but God/ Trinity, Blessed Mother, and Catholic saints depicted.
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The article was written by a reporter who doesn’t have a clue about the Catholic Church. I would have thought that the Oregonian was a large enough newspaper that might actually have a dedicated religion reporter or at least a reporter that’s knowledgeable about general Catholic practices. Such a reporter would have understood from the get go that this Catholic Church prior to the new priest was celebrating Mass in a very unorthodox way and that the new priest was only trying to get the liturgy back to the norms of the church.CTBcin:
From the article, which admittedly was very one-sided:
An archdiocese spokesman turned down multiple requests to interview Sample or Kuforiji.
Looks like the reporter tried to get the church’s side of the story.
Just a note about the “Immigrants & Refugees Welcome” banner that was taken down from the front of the church. That banner (which features an image that looks like Mary on a donkey with Joseph walking with a cane besides her) was only put up after 2016 (most likely after Trump was elected President). One can verify this easily by looking at the Google Street View of the church (which goes as far back as 2007). There were no banners of any kind on the front of the church until 2017 when this banner appears.
It’s easy to see that banner as a political statement in this context.
The view of the front of the church in August 2016
The view of the front of the church in August 2017
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Lost4words
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God bless and protect the priest in that church. He deserves all our support.
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BartholomewB
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Thank you for posting those two pics. The timing is very telling, as you say.
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snarflemike
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I like how “all immigrants welcome” outside a Catholic church doesn’t include black immigrant Catholic priests.
Tis_Bearself
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Yeah, “Immigrants Welcome” as long as they don’t start telling people who’ve “been there 15 years” how to do stuff.
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ioannes_pius
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Peak insanity. God bless this holy priest.
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otjm
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Well, the city of Portland is about 77% white and is an overtly liberal Democratic stronghold, so you can take that for whatever it is worth. Having known people in this parish since the mid 1970’s and having attended it for a period in the late 1970’s and watched it since them, I can safely surmise that if the priest had been white and orthodox and had done some of the things Father George did, the results would have been the same.
The parish has always had a liberal bent since I became aware of it, and it has proceeded farther and farther to the left and out into the weeds over the years. In the late 1980’s by invitation I attended a parish picnic. In the link to the Church Militant, the last paragraph references the woman who was the acting “pastoral assistant”; at the beginning of the picnic, the then current pastor not being available, she lead the prayer at the start of the picnic; the opening words were “Father Mother God…” and that is the last time I had anything to do with the place. The congregation used to fill the church for Mass. One picture shows a handful of people present, so it appears that the place is winding down.
If, in fact, the parishioners have started a petition - presumably to the Archbishop - there might be a response, albeit not one they are looking for. At some point, they may find that the parish is being closed. One article indicates there were about 75 parishioners, and there are about 25 remaining. The problem likely will solve itself.
The parish has always had a liberal bent since I became aware of it, and it has proceeded farther and farther to the left and out into the weeds over the years. In the late 1980’s by invitation I attended a parish picnic. In the link to the Church Militant, the last paragraph references the woman who was the acting “pastoral assistant”; at the beginning of the picnic, the then current pastor not being available, she lead the prayer at the start of the picnic; the opening words were “Father Mother God…” and that is the last time I had anything to do with the place. The congregation used to fill the church for Mass. One picture shows a handful of people present, so it appears that the place is winding down.
If, in fact, the parishioners have started a petition - presumably to the Archbishop - there might be a response, albeit not one they are looking for. At some point, they may find that the parish is being closed. One article indicates there were about 75 parishioners, and there are about 25 remaining. The problem likely will solve itself.
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Thomasbradley312
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That is still heresy. The guy was a Baptist for one. For two he was an adulterer. We have enough worthy saints without that guy.
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MamaJewel
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You’re probably right. While I’m not there either, being from the South it just blew my mind at how rude they were to their priest. People shouldn’t speak to someone that way. Let the man do his job in the way he sees fit, imho.
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CTBcin
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That article is pretty telling, based off of the petition that was shown.
From the petition:
From the petition:
I think there’s a problem there.
Tis_Bearself
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I bet they don’t even know what the dogmas of faith are, or which ones they oppose.
Surely they don’t oppose all of them, or why would they even be getting a priest in to say Mass (before this priest showed up)?
I’m beginning to think maybe the best thing would be to just shut this parish down…if these people insist on having it their way, they’ll do what other “progressive” churches have done, go into schism and rent a warehouse space somewhere and do what they want till the whole thing peters out from lack of interest when they all get too old to continue.
Surely they don’t oppose all of them, or why would they even be getting a priest in to say Mass (before this priest showed up)?
I’m beginning to think maybe the best thing would be to just shut this parish down…if these people insist on having it their way, they’ll do what other “progressive” churches have done, go into schism and rent a warehouse space somewhere and do what they want till the whole thing peters out from lack of interest when they all get too old to continue.
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Gorgias
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Hmm… that’s not the way I took it. Rather, it seemed like they were insinuating that someone up the chain of command must’ve told them to do it. After all, they’re protesting the archbishop’s instruction to kneel during the Eucharistic Prayer, as well.
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Loud-living-dogma
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Since this incident happened back on June 30th, I wonder what’s been happening since then? My guess is not much, or there would be more video / weird news.
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Tis_Bearself
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There’s some discussion in this August 6 article about Catholic Charities taking over the parish soup kitchen for the homeless.
It notes that some parishioners who volunteer at the kitchen don’t go to Mass any more because they have a problem with the pastor.
Also has some parishioner saying that the kitchen “is everything to the parish” like it’s more important than the Mass.
From what I’ve read elsewhere, this area has been getting something like 20-40 police calls a month because of all the homeless and street people gathering and camping in this area, and the parishioners running the kitchen before were providing food but weren’t providing any other help like referrals to programs that help with addiction treatment or finding housing. Catholic Charities is going to be providing more of these social work services and also running interference with the neighborhood residents and businesses who are complaining.
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mrsdizzyd
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“After mass, six people stood in the dining hall kitchen, mixing refried beans into four huge pans of tortilla chips. They poured red chili sauce, flattened more beans over top and sprinkled in olives. Enchilada casserole.
One woman had another name for it. She called it the Eucharist of the dining hall since some of the volunteers no longer go to mass because of increasing tensions over the changes in the parish.”
How sad.
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