Posing nude for a professional photographer

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To document an illness on a body, if essential to save human lives?

But generally, no.
A medical photograph is very rarely going to require a subject to be completely nude anyway. Even if the photograph is of the genitalia, there isn’t any reason for the patient to be completely undressed and the photograph would only show the abnormality and the area directly around it, not any part of the person that could be identified. Examining completely anonymous diseased private parts is not erotic by any measure.
 
If you go through with it, be sure that you really, really trust the photographer.
 
A medical photograph is very rarely going to require a subject to be completely nude anyway. Even if the photograph is of the genitalia, there isn’t any reason for the patient to be completely undressed and the photograph would only show the abnormality and the area directly around it, not any part of the person that could be identified. Examining completely anonymous diseased private parts is not erotic by any measure.
Great point. If the photograph is to show an abnormality, the photograph is cropped to focus on the subject matter, the disease, tumor, etc. That’s a reason patients are draped or wear gowns during examination or surgery. Only the field being reviewed or area necessary for the surgical procedure is exposed. Having seen a number of surgical procedures, what the doctor sees, usually through loupes, is a tiny portion of the patient’s body which is covered and draped completely (if nothing else for warmth the OR is COLD.

Completely different subject than intended by the OP I suspect. I think the idea that it’s a professional photographer is supposed to make a difference vis a vis someone sending a selfie on email. Again it’s all about the intent and purpose. If it dehumanizes the person, makes them become an object, particularly to be gazed upon by strangers, a definite no no

Lisa
 
I agree, the nudity isn’t required but that is a completely irrelevant point and does not address the subject at hand.

I’d appreciate reading anything you find as I’m definitely leaning, as I almost always do, toward the conservative side of the argument. I would assume that I agree with the Church on this subject but would still love to know what they say about it.

Why not? They are both renditions of their respective subjects and are not the actual person.
Not the actual person? Then can you explain why certain magazines print photos of actual persons in various states of undress? No particular reason? And why the internet is full of such (non-medically necessary) photos and what they are called? Not to put too fine a point on it - Pornography? Call it soft porn if you want but it has one, only one, purpose - to INCITE LUST. Most of my friends and people I know are artists and writers. I spent some time at University in drawing, painting and life-drawing classes. I found the latter useless for those who did not understand the fundamentals of drawing. But we were never encouraged to go in that direction. Art today, is about distorting photos, or cutting up paper or blotches of paint thrown against a canvas. Anatomy books with drawings are fine but photos? No.

Peace,
Ed
 
Not the actual person? Then can you explain why certain magazines print photos of actual persons in various states of undress? No particular reason? And why the internet is full of such (non-medically necessary) photos and what they are called? Not to put too fine a point on it - Pornography? Call it soft porn if you want but it has one, only one, purpose - to INCITE LUST. Most of my friends and people I know are artists and writers. I spent some time at University in drawing, painting and life-drawing classes. I found the latter useless for those who did not understand the fundamentals of drawing. But we were never encouraged to go in that direction. Art today, is about distorting photos, or cutting up paper or blotches of paint thrown against a canvas. Anatomy books with drawings are fine but photos? No.

Peace,
Ed
Ed, I’m just curious…

How do you feel about the nude paintings and nude statues in the Vatican?
 
Your question should be trademarked. Everyone uses it. Paintings of people are not photographs. Statues of people are not photographs. As I heard from a few artists: “Why should I paint anything realistic? All you need today is a camera.”

So my counter to that is that the nude stuff the Vatican has is never ever in the porn/adult stacks of magazines at used bookstores. Never. Ask any anonymous porn addict: “Do you get off on those Sistine Chapel paintings or that statue of David?”

Some doctors’ offices have models of certain body parts or highly detailed drawings to show patients valuable information but they are not ‘naughty fun objects/depictions.’

Give it a rest, please.

Best,
Ed
 
Ed, I’m just curious…

How do you feel about the nude paintings and nude statues in the Vatican?
What are we talking about, here? Things weren’t the same when those paintings were done, and we don’t know about models being used (I doubt we had nude men and women standing inside the Vatican, but please let me know if that was the case :o).
 
Your question should be trademarked. Everyone uses it. Paintings of people are not photographs. Statues of people are not photographs. As I heard from a few artists: “Why should I paint anything realistic? All you need today is a camera.”

So my counter to that is that the nude stuff the Vatican has is never ever in the porn/adult stacks of magazines at used bookstores. Never. Ask any anonymous porn addict: “Do you get off on those Sistine Chapel paintings or that statue of David?”

Some doctors’ offices have models of certain body parts or highly detailed drawings to show patients valuable information but they are not ‘naughty fun objects/depictions.’

Give it a rest, please.

Best,
Ed
You can find non-erotic nude photography. Photography is an art form, just the same as painting.

To answer the original question: so long as the intent of the art is not pornographic in nature, but is as a form of art, then I don’t necessarily see a problem with it. I think that there is enough doubt on this subject that under the principles of probibilism one would be free to form his conscience either way. I personally would feel uncomfortable posing nude, but that would be more of a personal comfort thing more than a moral judgement.
 
Are there any circumstances where posing nude for a professional photographer is morally acceptable?
Morally not acceptable.

For an action to be good, these three must be good:
  • The object must be good.
  • The intention must be good.
  • The means or circumstances must be good.
If at least one of those three is false/bad, the action is morally bad/wrong.
 
What are we talking about, here? Things weren’t the same when those paintings were done, and we don’t know about models being used (I doubt we had nude men and women standing inside the Vatican, but please let me know if that was the case :o).
No, there probably weren’t nude models in the Vatican. But I can absolutely assure you there were nude models in the studios of the artists making the art!

Dony MacManus, a Catholic artist and member of Opus Dei, gives a nice lecture on The Theology of the Body and Art, which I found interesting: youtube.com/watch?v=URNUMILJudg

opusdei.us/art.php?p=44575
 
Morally not acceptable.

For an action to be good, these three must be good:
  • The object must be good.
    The human body, being created by God, is objectively good.
  • The intention must be good.
    If I intend to create a non-pornographic piece of art, I have a good intention.
  • The means or circumstances must be good.
    I don’t see how the means of a camera are any less good than the means of a chisel or paintbrush
If at least one of those three is false/bad, the action is morally bad/wrong.
False. You suggest a black and white dichotomy that is not true of the Catholic tradition, which makes room for morally neutral acts. I played Candy Crush on my phone today. The object is neither good nor bad. The intent to pass time was neither good nor bad. The circumstances of my being off work before school starts are neither good nor bad.

By your logic, since none of those are true goods, then the action of my playing Candy Crush must not be bad. This is not the case. It is simply an action without moral value.
 
You can find non-erotic nude photography. Photography is an art form, just the same as painting.

To answer the original question: so long as the intent of the art is not pornographic in nature, but is as a form of art, then I don’t necessarily see a problem with it. I think that there is enough doubt on this subject that under the principles of probibilism one would be free to form his conscience either way. I personally would feel uncomfortable posing nude, but that would be more of a personal comfort thing more than a moral judgement.
Art is not an entitlement to do anything. I spent enough time at University to realize that “modern art” is a mind game. Instead of doing what their muse commanded, I saw the abstract artists just doing reruns of what had gone before, just like teenage boys trying to draw a superhero from a comic book. Art is not some bulletproof place where all things are permitted the moment the word art is added.

My favorite is the mentally deranged “found art.” When some person drives around, picking up discarded junk, and just by uttering the magic word, ART, it suddenly becomes not junk? That’s why I quit college. I saw the game for what it was.

This is a very black and white issue: motive and intent. Posing nude is not a maybe situation. Human dignity requires human decency.

Peace,
Ed
 
Art is not an entitlement to do anything. I spent enough time at University to realize that “modern art” is a mind game. Instead of doing what their muse commanded, I saw the abstract artists just doing reruns of what had gone before, just like teenage boys trying to draw a superhero from a comic book. Art is not some bulletproof place where all things are permitted the moment the word art is added.

My favorite is the mentally deranged “found art.” When some person drives around, picking up discarded junk, and just by uttering the magic word, ART, it suddenly becomes not junk? That’s why I quit college. I saw the game for what it was.

This is a very black and white issue: motive and intent. Posing nude is not a maybe situation. Human dignity requires human decency.

Peace,
Ed
I never claimed that art was a broad license to do whatever you want. “**** Christ” is obviously sinful, as would be pornography.

Again, David and all the nude portraits in the Vatican probably had nude models. In the Middle Ages images of a bare breasted Virgin lactating were not rare. The San Damiano Cross is just example of Christians using phallic images (see the abs on the Sam Damiano cross…) with Christ in order to express the idea that he was “True God, True Man”. You also have quite explicit images of the circumcision of Jesus, where more so than any of the others that I have described, the genitals are most certainly the focus.

All of the above examples have one thing in common: they use nudity or genitals in a way that is not pornographic. Nudity is not equivalent to pornography.

So, yes, motive and intent are very important. If the motive and intent is to create pornography, then it is 100% sinful, no arguments there. If it is an image of a nude 56 year old sitting down with her arms covering he breasts and legs crossed as a part of a series of black and white photographs documenting objective beauty of the female form, that is not porn. This is very different than a pornographic image of a woman in a very erotic pose who is being paid by a porn director to have pictures taken of her.
 
The bottom line: you still have to pay the bills. Photos of some woman in her 50’s? For what? Where would it be shown? After all, professional photographers don’t put photos in a drawer or just leave them on their computer. Good equipment is expensive. I’ve taken hundreds of photos with a good $700 camera but I don’t own it.

Peace,
Ed
 
The bottom line: you still have to pay the bills. Photos of some woman in her 50’s? For what? Where would it be shown? After all, professional photographers don’t put photos in a drawer or just leave them on their computer. Good equipment is expensive. I’ve taken hundreds of photos with a good $700 camera but I don’t own it.

Peace,
Ed
You publish it in some form or another. In a museum, in a photojournal, in other non-pornographic media. I was thinking in particular of the “A Beautiful Body Project”. It includes both nude and clothed images of many women that are certainly not pornographic. You can Google it for more information if you are interested. It’s purpose is to show the beauty of the female form without alteration as a way of promoting positive body image, especially in a world that is filled with many young women who are developing eating disorders in an attempt to emulate many fashion models. It is quite beautiful, and not the least bit pornographic.
 
You publish it in some form or another. In a museum, in a photojournal, in other non-pornographic media. I was thinking in particular of the “A Beautiful Body Project”. It includes both nude and clothed images of many women that are certainly not pornographic. You can Google it for more information if you are interested. It’s purpose is to show the beauty of the female form without alteration as a way of promoting positive body image, especially in a world that is filled with many young women who are developing eating disorders in an attempt to emulate many fashion models. It is quite beautiful, and not the least bit pornographic.
No. Definitely not. I suggest everyone contact the small fashion clique that decides - never the public - what face and figure will represent the perfect female, regardless of age. Have your local anorexia specialist contact them as well. Fashion models are simply product. They starve themselves.

“There are no official studies to prove the link between the fashion industry and eating disorders, but many experts point to a clear correlation between the two. In a letter from 40 doctors at the Eating Disorders Service and Research Unit at King’s College London to the British Fashion Council last October, Professor Janet Treasure wrote: ‘There is no doubt there is cause and effect here. The fashion industry showcases models with extreme body shapes, and this is undoubtedly one of the factors leading to young girls developing disorders.’”

I don’t believe this project cannot be pornographic.

Ed
 
I don’t believe this project cannot be pornographic.

Ed
CCC 2354:
2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties…
No sexual acts are depicted, real or simulated. The pictures are not erotic in nature, though they are nude. They do not fit the secular or Catholic definition of pornography.

Again, I refer you to the bare breasted Madonnas, or images of the Blessed Virgin lactating in St. Bernard’s eye. Pornography existed long before photographs so if nudity in photos equals automatic porn, then logically nudity in another medium that has been used to produce porn also equals automatic porn. There is nothing intrinsic about the photograph that makes nudity in it pornography as compared to nudity in other formats. It is all about the intent of both the photographer and the subject.
 
There are actually a lot of medical photos that show the entire body, usually but not always obscuring the face. Sometimes a disease is evident in several parts of the body at once, and medical professionals need to be able to assess the entire person. Draped ‘parts’ do not always tell the entire tale.

There is nothing pornographic about it. I have never fought off lust while looking at medical literature.

Also, the paintings in churches that show nudity are not pornographic. The human form, made in His image is beautiful to behold. What matters is the intent.
 
Every year ESPN Magazine comes out with its “Body Issue” that features photos of nude athletes.No genitalia/breasts are shown. Some of the pictures are quite stunning in their beauty. One picture from this year’s issue features 77 year old pro golfer Gary Player swinging a golf club, and it is extremely tasteful.
I would take issue with anyone who claims that these photographs are pornographic in the least. Do not confuse this issue with Sports Illustrated’s Swimsuit issue, which has nothing to do with swimsuits. Still not pornographic in my view, but clearly not appropriate.
 
How sad for them. I hope they included that in their confession before they died.
The statue David would still be magnificent with the private parts covered.
Minor point, but David is in a gallery, the Accademia, and isn’t and I don’t think ever has been, in a church.

As for Michelangelo and other Renaissance artists, many of them acquired their ability by studying anatomy as a medical student might rather than necessarily from live nude models.
 
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