There are around 5 parishes in Lorain, Ohio. Have you been to all of them? Are they each reasonable to get to? When did you become Catholic? Was it at the Easter Vigil? Do you know why RCIA is so far away? I have always thought that those received into the Church at Easter continued to go to classes for a few weeks right after Easter too.
No, the OP, despite the inane title of the thread, was not enquiring. He had already made up his mind about the deacon and the priest and that they weren’t to be trusted.WoundedIcon was inquiring about: 1. the laity’s ability to give blessings; 2. relativism; 3. ecumenism; 4. baptism and hell; 5. penance; 6. liturgical music; 7. his/(her?) inability to follow in the missal because of “jarring changes;” 8. the laity’s ability to give blessings; 9. the priest’s location during the homily; and 10. meditation.
Properly speaking, 6, 7, 8, and 9 relate to the liturgy, and so are a question of abuse (and to be sure, nobody has yet ascertained whether the “jarring changes” are abuses or due to WI’s newness and inexperience). 1, 2, 4, and 5 relate to doctrine, and so are questions of heresy. 3 and 10 relate to prudence, and could very well be questions of heresy. Are you really going to be angry with our friend for confusing the concept of abuse with heresy? His only major fault was not posting several of these things to the proper forum.
Yes, bishops (generally) do have more important things to worry about than the holy water in the font, but if you think that not having holy water out is a trivial matter, you clearly don’t understand what it is. As with all questions, it ought first to be asked of the pastor.
Finally, I would be quite interested in hearing about the liturgical infractions in the beatification Mass.
Peace
Ah, I’ve been to two of them but one only for a weekday mass. I haven’t had the chance to visit others just yet.
Theoretically, the sprinkling rite can be done at essentially any Mass.
That’s true, I believe, only on the Easter vigil. Any other time, the sprinkling rite (or asperges) replaces the Penitential Act (“I confess to Almighty God…”) at the beginning of the Mass, and the Creed must be said in its ordinary place in the liturgy. If memory serves, if actual baptisms are being celebrated in the Mass then the priest can invite the congregation to join in the baptismal promises in place of the Creed, but that has nothing to do with the sprinkling rite.
I don’t hate them Belle, and maybe I should have put the title as “Am I right about these possible abuses” but you really aren’t making any thought out case here. I shouldn’t have to keep telling you that I improperly worded what I said in the post about another parish’s weekday mass though. It’s not that I was about to report them or something. I’ve only been there once! But if that happened along with a bunch of other stuff wrong at my regular parish then yes, I’d include it with the other bigger matters after studying and asking around about whether it’s wrong or not. If a priest says a few wrong words, no big deal. If he does it at every mass along with other more significant things, eyebrows should be raised of course. I still haven’t seen any proof from Church documents about what I’m wrong about though. Sometimes people can be right, and there is no arrogance in holding the line when people say otherwise. Am I absolutely comfortable and certain that I am right? No. But no one has significantly proven otherwise.
Right, there’s the Asperges and then there’s the renewal of baptism. But I didn’t know it could be done at any Mass, so thank you.
I never said you hated them; I said you had already made up your mind that they were wrong and you didn’t trust them. And you didn’t ‘improperly word’ the post - your meaning was crystal clear; what you don’t like or understand is automatically an ‘abuse’. If this is going to be your attitude towards the Mass - a constant nit-picking and second-guessing of everything the celebrant does - you’re in for a very unhappy time as a Catholic.
Ah!! You’re certainly eager! We do consider that you are still imperfectly united to the Catholic Church, since you have not yet gone through two of the Sacraments of Initiation, that is, Eucharist and Confirmation. To that end, I personally don’t mind if you identify yourself as Catholic; that is what you want to be! However, because you are not yet sacramentally Catholic, you should be refraining from receiving Holy Communion, and your ability to make a Confession is also a little up in the air. Basically I think your pastor can give you permission to make a Confession, if he judges it prudent, and you ready.
I absolutely love the ritual and the way everything is laid out, read, the motions, etc. It’s like a big heavenly theatre of work-of-art prayer-ritual sacrifice. (LOL, my words just failed me.) I always get something out of just being there. But that’s one of the reasons why my eye starts twitching when I feel like folks color by numbers with it. I guess I basically feel like the Council, figuratively speaking, had some kind of artistic expression of high truths in mind for the spirit of it. If you watch a more traditionally done one it’s like the Holy Spirit is there with you, speaking to you through every motion and word and song. It has a certain angelic simplicity and straightforwardness to it that actually conveys very profound things. I saw one in Latin and now I’m spoiled, dangit. :bounce: I think they really did succeed in their intentions to reform the Mass and make it more akin to the original Romish (sic) style of it… concrete imagery, straightforward, elevated, mystical etc. But I have no idea where it all got messy…I’ve been where you are. What I found most confusing is that the Mass I was reading about (I studied the Church a few weeks before every attending) didn’t match up at all with the Mass I was seeing in action.
I don’t think you have any malicious intent, I know I didn’t. But I do agree that the first key is to relax. Instead of focusing on the things that seem like abuses, focus on the things that you enjoy. Ask the Spirit for guidance as well.
People I thought I couldn’t trust still managed to share very valuable information with me when I stopped tuning them out because they said this or that which seemed borderline heretical and/or relativist.
Whether or not things are being done that shouldn’t be done, God is still in the midst of the Mass, as are the angels and even the saints? So no matter what focus on God, focus on worshipping Him and ask Him for guidance when you’re feeling confused. The Holy Spirit is amazing and will provide whatever enlightment you’re ready for.
But that’s just my two cents and my experience…
Good luck!
If your parish is like mine you’re going to need it.
Yes, I’ve begun receiving the Sacrament of Penance already. I can’t stand walking around with grave sins on me, and I like to avail myself of all the grace I can to kill 'em.
I’m glad you have options! All we have in my area (three hours drive all around) is NO Mass. So I had to learn to reconcile myself with the Mass I was attending. Then one afternoon I had the distinct pleasure of attending a Catholic mass that was more like a Protestant praise service, complete with only cheap children’s choruses being sung and a congregation that didn’t know when to sit or stand (and more importantly shut up - they sang the doxology with the priest) and after that debacle I SO appreciated my own parish! Haha. Sometimes we have to see something worse to reconcile ourselves to our own little blemishes in our own groups.
But I figure God will sort them out. 
Yes, you are right, and I was in error. However, after looking it up in the Catechism, I read that " It is wrong to put off the performance of a penance too long. **One who intentionally omits the penance commits sin, although the sins that were forgiven do not return.] To omit a penance for venial sins would be a venial sin; a serious penance for mortal sins would be grievous.
WELCOME HOME!
Not necessarly a prudent teaching; but it is still a relative truth. Faith is and always will be a GIFT from God; NOT given to everyone. Therefore what one is taught can be judged in the light of limited understanding that God has a DIRECT Role in. SS is not biblical; BUT if it’s taught, believed and lived; and God grants no further Wisdom or Understanding associated with TRUE Faith; then God will judge their heart as he will ours. If thre is no Cupubable ignorance; God will not hold there lack of understanding as being their own fault.
Were you NOT Baptized in the Luthern tradition? Their Baptism is VALID if done with water in the Name of the Trinity. I’m not sure I understand you remark fully. Is he saying Once saved Always saved? And is it the former pastor or the Deacon making the statement?
again the priest is RIGHT if correctly understood? Penance is not a direct repayment for our sins [rather it is ment to get us back on the right trak-relationship with God] IF YOU’D LIKE MORE INFOM ON THIS SENS ME A private message.There is a required payback for sins not covered here.
LORD HELP US JESUS:thumbsup:
Permissable as we welcome them into our Faith and Community and assure them of our prayers and support.
File this under: If it worked GREAT; if not you not to do it again." No sin here.
I and WE GREATLY appreciate your concerns but I don’t see a thing that the Bishop would react too in your post. And I AM A VERY TRADITIONAL IPRC.Is this as bad as I’m thinking it is? because I’m a recent convert and I need to know if I somehow have wound up more orthodox than my clergyI need to know if I should report anything to the bishop and leave (I have no influence as a 21 y/o Inquirer.)
-does gimme hands at screen- I mean, I’d love to do the saintly thing and stay there to offer a different viewpoint, maybe show some people a different perspective, but right now it’s wearing on my nerves.=WoundedIcon;7857082]I think I’m just gonna drop the issue, because I’m not making heads or tails of it right now. But I think I have to choose another parish as my home base, because I still feel like there’s a neon sign over my head that says “not from around here”. I moved here after finishing off high school in Columbus and I started to become very intellectual and cultured - kind of an gothy artsy gourmand - in that last year. The parish I attend is on the border of a steel mill town and some lower-end suburbs, sorta, so I feel way off there. I know I can’t run from the town as a whole, and every time I get close to moving out, over and over again the door slams in my face and the opportunity is incinerated in an inferno LOL. I really just want to be around more religiously conservative people, old or young. I asked the deacon and he told me I’m practically the only person there my age except for his children and like one other guy
Mat GOD GUIDE your search.