Possible Holy Day of Oblication Conflicts in the Future

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Since I am in college, I need to get to college in the morning. It takes me about 27 minutes to get there.

What happens if it is a Holy Day of Obligation and I can’t get to the Holy Day Mass because I am too busy? I simply can’t go to the Holy Day Mass because I would be about an hour and ten minutes late to college.

What would happen in this possible scenario? I don’t think my church has an evening Holy Day Mass, but I could be wrong. Would I have to get a dispensation?
 
You cross that bridge when you come to it.

You know when the holy days are so once you get your schedule for a semester and determine whether there is a conflict, you talk to your priest, ask him what times mass will be said, check around at other parishes, check near/on campus, and then talk to him if you think you are going to have a conflict.
 
There are 3 possible conflicting days. You might as well ask how you would get to a future doctor appointment. It’s not that hard.
 
Since I am in college, I need to get to college in the morning. It takes me about 27 minutes to get there.

What happens if it is a Holy Day of Obligation and I can’t get to the Holy Day Mass because I am too busy? I simply can’t go to the Holy Day Mass because I would be about an hour and ten minutes late to college.

What would happen in this possible scenario? I don’t think my church has an evening Holy Day Mass, but I could be wrong. Would I have to get a dispensation?
I think, generally, parishes will most likely have extra masses for holy days. you certainly wouldn’t be the oly one in this situation. most people are usually at work or school during the dday. so even if your church doen’st for some reason, I’m sure you can find another place that does

does your school have a catholic chaplaincy of some sort? I think most colleges and universities try to get those nowadays
 
Since I am in college, I need to get to college in the morning. It takes me about 27 minutes to get there.

What happens if it is a Holy Day of Obligation and I can’t get to the Holy Day Mass because I am too busy? I simply can’t go to the Holy Day Mass because I would be about an hour and ten minutes late to college.

What would happen in this possible scenario? I don’t think my church has an evening Holy Day Mass, but I could be wrong. Would I have to get a dispensation?
It takes you 27 minutes to get to college.
How do you know that?
Do you check your watch just as your locking your front door?
Does the timing begin once in your car or on a bus?
What if there’s traffic?
Would that make you be more than an hour and ten minutes late for college?

Melodeonist. The best advice you’re going to get is from that Lethal Mouse girl who told you to go have a snickers bar.

Do you think Jesus died on that bloody cross so you could have such worries?

SNAP OUT OF IT.

He’s got your back.

GG
 
What happens if
…the world ends while you are pondering this? Who do you love? Who saves you?
“because I’m too busy…”
Never mind the Who loves you and saves you, do you really want to justify this before God? On that day, whether it is tomorrow or in 80 years, we give an account of everything we have done - even sins forgiven. What might be worse is that you are planning this ahead of time. In court, that is called malice aforethought. Before the Divine Judge… well…
 
…the world ends while you are pondering this? Who do you love? Who saves you?
Never mind the Who loves you and saves you, do you really want to justify this before God? On that day, whether it is tomorrow or in 80 years, we give an account of everything we have done - even sins forgiven. What might be worse is that you are planning this ahead of time. In court, that is called malice aforethought. Before the Divine Judge… well…
Hmmm.

I don’t think malice aforethought comes in here.

The Melody man is rightly worried about not fulfilling what he deems to be a duty.

It’s correct to worry about sinning and hurting the God we love for some reason or other.

I think, though, that some worry TOO MUCH and are not trusting Jesus to SAVE THEM.

This is also known as serving the Law instead of serving God.

We are to follow the Law - it was not abolished. But we are not to SERVE the Law. If it causes so much stress, it means we are working toward our own salvation and not trusting the Lord. We cannot save ourselves - that’s why we need HIM.

We should learn to trust Him.

(I say again)

GG
 
Melodeonist,
You’re being scrupulous and you need to learn the Mass times for your area. There is always an evening Mass on holy days so we can get there…and we always do.

I may be too busy for a lot of things but not for the Mass because I love it and look forward to it.
Don’t miss it.
 
We all have our work/school obligations that we need to fulfill. However, if attending Mass in the morning is a problem, please note that maybe your parish may have an evening Mass scheduled, and if it doesn’t, then certainty other parishes in your neighborhood have evening Masses scheduled. I’d just look online for the nearest parishes and their Mass schedule.
Alternatively, you can attend the anticipatory Mass in the evening before, if your Parish has one scheduled. The anticipatory Mass in the evening will also fulfill your obligation.
 
Romans 12:2 “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”

This world we live in is not setup for making our spiritual success easy. Remember, in John 15:19, Jesus tells us “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”

Colleges, companies, and countries in general are not very supportive of our pursuit of following Jesus, and sometimes we are called to make hard choices.

Never get so caught up in the temporal success of this life that you neglect what is necessary for success in your eternal life 😉

Missing one class in the event that this happens will probably not spell ruin for your college degree, so don’t worry about it!

Matthew 6:34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day’s own trouble be sufficient for the day.”
 
Romans 12:2 “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may prove what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”

This world we live in is not setup for making our spiritual success easy. Remember, in John 15:19, Jesus tells us “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”

Colleges, companies, and countries in general are not very supportive of our pursuit of following Jesus, and sometimes we are called to make hard choices.

Never get so caught up in the temporal success of this life that you neglect what is necessary for success in your eternal life 😉

Missing one class in the event that this happens will probably not spell ruin for your college degree, so don’t worry about it!

Matthew 6:34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day’s own trouble be sufficient for the day.”
I do not believe this is the problem…
 
I do not believe this is the problem…
The opening post stated that he couldn’t miss class for mass. That is putting something that is of this world above the obligation (and truly a blessing) of mass. My post responds to that.

What else other than too much focus on the temporal life would cause someone to choose one class over time with God?
 
The opening post stated that he couldn’t miss class for mass. That is putting something that is of this world above the obligation (and truly a blessing) of mass. My post responds to that.

What else other than too much focus on the temporal life would cause someone to choose one class over time with God?
I can think of several things.
Maybe one day you’ll understand better.
Life is not as simple as you make it out to be…

GG
 
Hmmm.

I don’t think malice aforethought comes in here.

The Melody man is rightly worried about not fulfilling what he deems to be a duty.

It’s correct to worry about sinning and hurting the God we love for some reason or other.

I think, though, that some worry TOO MUCH and are not trusting Jesus to SAVE THEM.

This is also known as serving the Law instead of serving God.

We are to follow the Law - it was not abolished. But we are not to SERVE the Law. If it causes so much stress, it means we are working toward our own salvation and not trusting the Lord. We cannot save ourselves - that’s why we need HIM.

We should learn to trust Him.

(I say again)

GG
GodsGrace154, after returning to your above quoted post, I think that a reading of James chapter 2 may help clarify some things for you.

As the opening poster is Catholic and is asking questions regarding obligations for attending a Catholic mass, answers should be given considering Catholic teachings and understandings.

Your responses, while given with good intentions, are not in line with the opening poster’s Catholic faith. You seem to come at this from a “faith alone” perspective, but that is contradictory to what we as Catholics believe.

While your faith in Jesus is indeed what will save you, “faith apart from works is dead.” God’s grace is a free gift to us, but when our faith is not followed up with works that align with God’s will and the teachings given to us by Jesus, we turn away and reject that grace.

There is a reason that the New Testament consists of much more than just John 3:16 👍 we must not only have faith in our Lord, but attempt to follow in his footsteps as best we can.
I can think of several things.
Maybe one day you’ll understand better.
Life is not as simple as you make it out to be…
GG
Life can be as simple as I make it out to be of we free ourselves of worldly desires and give ourselves over entirely to serving as instruments for God’s will 🙂

I pray that you one day find the understanding and simplicity that I have found in my own life 😉
 
GodsGrace154, after returning to your above quoted post, I think that a reading of James chapter 2 may help clarify some things for you.

As the opening poster is Catholic and is asking questions regarding obligations for attending a Catholic mass, answers should be given considering Catholic teachings and understandings.

Your responses, while given with good intentions, are not in line with the opening poster’s Catholic faith. You seem to come at this from a “faith alone” perspective, but that is contradictory to what we as Catholics believe.

While your faith in Jesus is indeed what will save you, “faith apart from works is dead.” God’s grace is a free gift to us, but when our faith is not followed up with works that align with God’s will and the teachings given to us by Jesus, we turn away and reject that grace.

There is a reason that the New Testament consists of much more than just John 3:16 👍 we must not only have faith in our Lord, but attempt to follow in his footsteps as best we can.

Life can be as simple as I make it out to be of we free ourselves of worldly desires and give ourselves over entirely to serving as instruments for God’s will 🙂

I pray that you one day find the understanding and simplicity that I have found in my own life 😉
Hi AveOTheotokos
I like your name, BTW.
Do you like mine?? :rolleyes:

Let’s see. What if my father has alzheimer’s and is bedridden and I have NO ONE to help me care for him? Should I leave him home alone and go to Mass?

Let’s say I’m taking care of my autistic granddaughter and Mass time comes around, what am I to do?

Let’s say I’m in a state of depression and cannot stand to be around a lot of people. This also happens with anxiety. Now what??

Let’s say I get panic attacks when I’m in a crowd. I have a friend who has to wear headphones with music playing just to run in a grocery store to get some of the bare necessities. Forget about supermarkets.

So, you see. Life is complicated. And I think our good God knows this and makes allowances.

I know you don’t believe in faith alone. Neither do I. I’m saying something different. We shouldn’t burden people more than they already are.

Would you at least agree with this? A couple of priest friends of mine do…
Let me use an emoticon because this writing stuff could cause problems…
🙂

GG
 
Hi AveOTheotokos
I like your name, BTW.
Do you like mine?? :rolleyes:

Let’s see. What if my father has alzheimer’s and is bedridden and I have NO ONE to help me care for him? Should I leave him home alone and go to Mass?

Let’s say I’m taking care of my autistic granddaughter and Mass time comes around, what am I to do?

Let’s say I’m in a state of depression and cannot stand to be around a lot of people. This also happens with anxiety. Now what??

Let’s say I get panic attacks when I’m in a crowd. I have a friend who has to wear headphones with music playing just to run in a grocery store to get some of the bare necessities. Forget about supermarkets.

So, you see. Life is complicated. And I think our good God knows this and makes allowances.

I know you don’t believe in faith alone. Neither do I. I’m saying something different. We shouldn’t burden people more than they already are.

Would you at least agree with this? A couple of priest friends of mine do…
Let me use an emoticon because this writing stuff could cause problems…
🙂

GG
Thank you! And yes, I like your name too:)

The burdens of taking care of others or ones self in regards to medical conditions is definitely a hardship. I don’t know if your examples are just examples, or are things you are having to deal with in your life, but if you are having to deal with these things I will definitely pray for you as that is quite a lot for one person to juggle.

God and the church do indeed understand our struggles and grants exceptions for when we are obligated to take care of others. If someone has a mental health condition that makes attending mass a problem, speaking with a priest would surely help to come up with guidance and solutions to clarify ones personal obligations.

The examples above would definitely add a lot of things into ones life that could lead to it being “complicated” for someone.

I also believe that it is not the external stimulus, but the internal reaction that determines how simple or complicated ones life is. I have known many people that are frazzled and at their wits end dealing with way less than what you listed above, but I also know people that have dealt with more, yet they view their lives as a blessing and a joy and live them simply and humbly.

Our emotional responses to life can be seen as a byproduct of our spiritual fortitude. Life can throw us a lot of curve balls, but it is he we react to them that determines what kind of ball player we are 😉 Embracing his grace and his will gives us the tools we need to succeed. Mary had quite a lot of hardships to weather, but being “full of grace” and completely submissive to God’s will led her through them.

As for the opening poster, I would categorize choosing a class over mass as choosing something worldly over God. Unlike taking care of someone with Alzheimer’s, college classes are something one chooses to do for oneself to better themselves in this world. They are not a burden or a hardship like the examples you gave above, but something that is actually a blessing to even have the option to attend. Much of the world is not so lucky to have this kind of dilemma, which I would definitely say is a “first world problem”.

So many people are struggling with much more critical dilemmas, like taking care of sick family members, dealing with serious illness, facing religious persecution, etc… So being in a position to chose between one class and a holy day of obligation is really a luxury.

While going to college is a noble and good thing to do, as we should make the most of our talents and skills and avoid laziness, it is still something that should not be placed above our obligations to God.

And yes I totally agree that we should not burden people more than they already are. In your above examples, I think the appropriate response would not be to just tell someone that they still need to go to mass, but instead offer to stay with their father so they could go to a mass, or tell them that their autistic granddaughter is a beautiful child of God and is welcome at mass just like anyone else. Instead of chastising someone for avoiding mass because of their anxiety, offer to keep them company if that would help comfort them, or try to find them somewhere to sit where they have some space, or find a less crowded mass option for them.

For those with true burdens like these, or response should be to help them, to take on some of their burdens, to let out Christ light shine and be champions for them.

For those with just hypothetical first world problems though, I will still try to guide them to see the beauty in deciding to chose God over anything that is of this world.
 
Thank you! And yes, I like your name too:)

The burdens of taking care of others or ones self in regards to medical conditions is definitely a hardship. I don’t know if your examples are just examples, or are things you are having to deal with in your life, but if you are having to deal with these things I will definitely pray for you as that is quite a lot for one person to juggle.

God and the church do indeed understand our struggles and grants exceptions for when we are obligated to take care of others. If someone has a mental health condition that makes attending mass a problem, speaking with a priest would surely help to come up with guidance and solutions to clarify ones personal obligations.

The examples above would definitely add a lot of things into ones life that could lead to it being “complicated” for someone.

I also believe that it is not the external stimulus, but the internal reaction that determines how simple or complicated ones life is. I have known many people that are frazzled and at their wits end dealing with way less than what you listed above, but I also know people that have dealt with more, yet they view their lives as a blessing and a joy and live them simply and humbly.

Our emotional responses to life can be seen as a byproduct of our spiritual fortitude. Life can throw us a lot of curve balls, but it is he we react to them that determines what kind of ball player we are 😉 Embracing his grace and his will gives us the tools we need to succeed. Mary had quite a lot of hardships to weather, but being “full of grace” and completely submissive to God’s will led her through them.

As for the opening poster, I would categorize choosing a class over mass as choosing something worldly over God. Unlike taking care of someone with Alzheimer’s, college classes are something one chooses to do for oneself to better themselves in this world. They are not a burden or a hardship like the examples you gave above, but something that is actually a blessing to even have the option to attend. Much of the world is not so lucky to have this kind of dilemma, which I would definitely say is a “first world problem”.

So many people are struggling with much more critical dilemmas, like taking care of sick family members, dealing with serious illness, facing religious persecution, etc… So being in a position to chose between one class and a holy day of obligation is really a luxury.

While going to college is a noble and good thing to do, as we should make the most of our talents and skills and avoid laziness, it is still something that should not be placed above our obligations to God.

And yes I totally agree that we should not burden people more than they already are. In your above examples, I think the appropriate response would not be to just tell someone that they still need to go to mass, but instead offer to stay with their father so they could go to a mass, or tell them that their autistic granddaughter is a beautiful child of God and is welcome at mass just like anyone else. Instead of chastising someone for avoiding mass because of their anxiety, offer to keep them company if that would help comfort them, or try to find them somewhere to sit where they have some space, or find a less crowded mass option for them.

For those with true burdens like these, or response should be to help them, to take on some of their burdens, to let out Christ light shine and be champions for them.

For those with just hypothetical first world problems though, I will still try to guide them to see the beauty in deciding to chose God over anything that is of this world.
I think the O.P. has a problem.
As far as me - the above is true, except that my father has gone to be with the Lord.

I agree with all you’ve said.

Thanks for such a nice reply.
And I appreciate the prayers - they are needed.

GG
 
I think the O.P. has a problem.
As far as me - the above is true, except that my father has gone to be with the Lord.

I agree with all you’ve said.

Thanks for such a nice reply.
And I appreciate the prayers - they are needed.

GG
I was approaching things as if the O.P. did not have any other problem beyond the hypothetical mass conflict, but if the O.P. does have underlying problem, then definitely talking to a priest will bring clarity to any confusion or worries they may have. Never substitute our advice here in place of a qualified priest 😉

As for you, I am deeply sorry to hear of your father’s passing, but hopefully trusting he is with with the Lord brings you some consolation.

With all the other things going on in your life, I hope you have a good parish nearby where the parishioners treat each other as family and are willing to help you with some of your burdens. We should always strive to help our neighbors.

It brings to mind a quote that I love, “Thee lift me, and I’ll lift thee, and we’ll ascend together”. I believe it originally was said in the context of marriage, but we can all strive to help eachother
 
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