Possible polygamy challenge in Canada

[Spirithound]

Polygamy charges may bring religious freedom challenge

OTTAWA - Canada’s law against polygamy may soon face a religious freedom challenge now that British Columbia has charged members of a breakaway Mormon sect.

Winston Blackmore, one of two men charged with polygamy under Canada’s Criminal Code, has told news media his religious freedom is under attack.

An array of constitutional experts has agreed, telling various newspapers they believe the anti-polygamy law could not withstand a Charter test.

“The people who say it will be very hard to uphold this as a criminal offence are right,” said Margaret Somerville, McGill Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law founding director.

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[Phemie]

That’s pretty much why the people in Bountiful have been left alone for years: TPTB feared a Charter of Rights challenge that would result in legalizing polygamy. It appears their fears were justified.

 

[prodigal-sun]

Well if two people of the same sex are allowed to marry I don’t see what is standing in the way for polygamists. I knew it was just a mattter of time.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

Well if two people of the same sex are allowed to marry I don’t see what is standing in the way for polygamists. I knew it was just a mattter of time.

we all did, and when we brought it up we were told we were changing the subject, and that gay marriage wouldnt lead to this. i honestly think the next thing will be getting married to animals, then children.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

It already has. Netherlands was the first country to legalize homosexual marriage in 2001. They also legalize incest as long as the child is over 18 and legalized a political party promoting pedophilia, pornography, bestiality, and drugs in 2006.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

It already has. Netherlands was the first country to legalize homosexual marriage in 2001. They also legalize incest as long as the child is over 18 and legalized a political party promoting pedophilia, pornography, bestiality, and drugs in 2006.

Oh well, there we go…
No wonder Europe’s dieing out.

 

[Oblaidon]

we all did, and when we brought it up we were told we were changing the subject, and that gay marriage wouldnt lead to this. i honestly think the next thing will be getting married to animals, then children.

Nope, children THEN animals.

What about 4 or 5 men getting married to each other. What does that mean?

 

[Cracker_Mom]

Nope, children THEN animals.

What about 4 or 5 men getting married to each other. What does that mean?

Naah, PETA would challenge the animal option in court.

 

[rpp]

we all did, and when we brought it up we were told we were changing the subject, and that gay marriage wouldnt lead to this. i honestly think the next thing will be getting married to animals, then children.

We were also mocked and called doom-sayers motivated by hate. Soon the only form of sexual expression that will be viewed as abnormal is a monogamous marriage between one man and one woman.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

We were also mocked and called doom-sayers motivated by hate. Soon the only form of sexual expression that will be viewed as abnormal is a monogamous marriage between one man and one woman.

Talking about mocking: My son’s having trouble in high school when the subject of gay marriage comes up. He’s the only one in his class that doesn’t believe in it & the teacher & rest of the students beat up on him verbally.This happens re. abortion, etc.
I respect him for standing up for what he believes in but don’t know why this should be up for discussion in English class.I’m waiting to see if his grades will be affected.
It’s becoming more & more difficult to be a believing Catholic in society without being labeled a “hater” or some such term.

 

[Soutane]

A couple in Germany,a brother and sister are pressing for the ability to marry.I believe they already have 3 children.Lucky kids.

The net result of all this nonsense will be the absolute destruction of the institution of marriage-in other words marriage will become meaningless.Score one for the Enemy.That was obviously the ultimate intent.

 

[JimG]

Marriage has been in the process of deconstruction for decades now. First, contraception attacked the fertility of mariage, then no fault divorce attacked its permanence. Cohabitation and fornication attacked its fidelity. Homosexual marriage attacked its very meaning. There is not much left of marriage.

The way that equality of rights under the law is currently construed, everybody is entitled to marriage, notwithstanding the fact that there is nothing left of marriage.

Using current principles of law, there is no reason to prohibit polygamy, polyandry, or combinations of the two, or with men marrying minor boys or girls, or women marrying minor girls or boys. Why should minor children not be given equal rights to marry?

Gay marriage pushes the deconstruction of marriage farther along, but it didn’t start there.

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

It already has. Netherlands was the first country to legalize homosexual marriage in 2001. They also legalize incest as long as the child is over 18 and legalized a political party promoting pedophilia, pornography, bestiality, and drugs in 2006.

There could be good news on the horizon for the Netherlands: apparently Amsterdam is going to close many of it’s pot bars and brothels because they are a source for organized crime.

huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/06/amsterdam-to-close-many-o_n_148933.html?page=3

 

[AveSantaMaria]

I just read that article. I was about to think - Netherlands is improving, shutting down brothels, marijuana cafes, sex shops, then I read, Prostitution was legalized in the Netherlands in 2000, formalizing a long-standing tolerance policy.

Why is all of this going on in the Netherlands of all places? Is there something unusual about this culture?

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

Talking about mocking: My son’s having trouble in high school when the subject of gay marriage comes up. He’s the only one in his class that doesn’t believe in it & the teacher & rest of the students beat up on him verbally.This happens re. abortion, etc.
I respect him for standing up for what he believes in but don’t know why this should be up for discussion in English class.I’m waiting to see if his grades will be affected.
It’s becoming more & more difficult to be a believing Catholic in society without being labeled a “hater” or some such term.

It’s disgusting, really. Our society is supposed to be more “open” and “accepting” and yet when anyone rejects societal norms for legitimate reasons they are rejected and mocked. So much for being “progressive”.

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

A couple in Germany,a brother and sister are pressing for the ability to marry.I believe they already have 3 children.Lucky kids.

The net result of all this nonsense will be the absolute destruction of the institution of marriage-in other words marriage will become meaningless.Score one for the Enemy.That was obviously the ultimate intent.

What do you think this’ll do for society?

We rightly claim that such behavior, if not stemmed, will destroy Western society (and it will). But to make such a comment would likely result in being labeled a “moron” and what-not, even though it’s ultimately true.

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

Marriage has been in the process of deconstruction for decades now. First, contraception attacked the fertility of mariage, then no fault divorce attacked its permanence. Cohabitation and fornication attacked its fidelity. Homosexual marriage attacked its very meaning. There is not much left of marriage.

The way that equality of rights under the law is currently construed, everybody is entitled to marriage, notwithstanding the fact that there is nothing left of marriage.

Using current principles of law, there is no reason to prohibit polygamy, polyandry, or combinations of the two, or with men marrying minor boys or girls, or women marrying minor girls or boys. Why should minor children not be given equal rights to marry?

Gay marriage pushes the deconstruction of marriage farther along, but it didn’t start there.

The question is: how do we stop all this and reconstruct marriage?

I take hope in the fact that the Church and our various Orthodox and orthodox Protestant brothers and sisters will uphold the true meaning of marriage.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

What do you think this’ll do for society?

We rightly claim that such behavior, if not stemmed, will destroy Western society (and it will). But to make such a comment would likely result in being labeled a “moron” and what-not, even though it’s ultimately true.

Maybe we might make it anyways. St. Thomas More speaking out in England and getting beheaded and the resulting Church split reminds me an incredible amount of the recent Episcopalian Church split.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.
Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a latter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.
Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:10-20

The only silver lining that I see is that Catholics seem to have their heads on straight, slightly, slightly, a little more than other people and maybe that is why so many of them are quietly filling top positions of power.

Supreme Court: John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy - Since when are Roman Catholics 56% of America and Jews - Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg - 22% …

Then we see Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, Bob Jindal, Michael Steele… at least Tim Kaine knows abortion is wrong in personal situations even if he hasn’t figured out that it is wrong in all situations… That’s a tiny bit more than most pro-choice politicians have realized.

 

[AveSantaMaria]

The question is: how do we stop all this and reconstruct marriage?

I take hope in the fact that the Church and our various Orthodox and orthodox Protestant brothers and sisters will uphold the true meaning of marriage.

Prayer, sacrifice, suffering, and activism?

*“The one who prays a lot saves himself. The one who prays little is in danger. The one who does not pray loses his soul.” * St. Padre Pio

• “Far more by suffering and persecution than by eloquent discourse, does God want to build his Kingdom.” * St. Therese of Liseux

The sight, then, of Jesus and Mary wandering as fugitives through the world teaches us that we also must live as pilgrims here below, detached from the toods which the world offers us, and which we must soon leave to enter eternity: “we have not here a lasting city, but seek one that is to come.” To which Saint Augustine adds: “Thou art a guest; thou givest a look, and passest on.” It also teaches us to embrace crosses, for without them we cannot live in this world. Blessed Veronica da Binasco, an Augustinian nun, was carried in spirit to accompany Mary with the Infant Jesus on their journey into Egypt; and after it, the Divine Mother said, “Daughter, thou hast seen with how much difficulty we have reached this country; now learn that no one receives graces without suffering.” Whoever wishes to feel less the sufferings of this life must go in company with Jesus and Mary: “Take the Child and His Mother.” All sufferings become light, and even sweet and desirable, to him who by his love bears this Son and this Mother in his heart. Let us, then, love them; let us console Mary by welcoming in our hearts her Son, whom men even now continue to persecute by their sins.

I think that Christ is calling us to sainthood to do battle against the destruction of our society into animal-like sexual behavior. St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe groups such as miyouth.org and consecration.com are local communities or prayerful and politically active Catholics. The rosary groups at colleges and True Devotion to Mary on facebook are also people united in prayer for the world and occassionally pro-life activism. Praying the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet I think helps keep one’s heart honest and idolizing only Christ.

Where I struggle is in feeling that our society is worth it and everything is not already lost, without hope. I need to learn how to love society more in order to truly desire to sacrifice in order to save it

 

[JimG]

The question is: how do we stop all this and reconstruct marriage?

I take hope in the fact that the Church and our various Orthodox and orthodox Protestant brothers and sisters will uphold the true meaning of marriage.

It would seem that a lot of Christians have already thrown in the towel on marriage, by accepting contraception, no fault divorce, and cohabitation. They can try to make a U-turn now by stopping at gay marriage or polygamy or anything else, but the toothpaste is already out of the tube.

If marriage is not an institution between complementary sexes, endowed with fidelity, permanence, and openness to life, it is something less than marriage. And a great many Christians have already tossed out one or more of those three (which is, incidentally, the reason for skyrocketing decrees of nullity.)