Pouring the Precious Blood? -- Where does the buck finally stop?

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The Precious Blood is not to be poured into separate chalices during the Mass. This has been beaten to death ad nauseum by both the Holy See and the USCCB.

Reference: usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/chalice.shtml

Then someone like Roger Cardinal Mahony comes along and says “Because our practice has become an Archdiocesan custom of over seven years, with both the Catholic faithful and the ministers accustomed to this practice, I am willing to grant exceptions to no. 106 of Redemptionis Sacramentum…” So the pouring of the Precious Blood continues in that archdiocese.

Reference: the-tidings.com/2004/0910/liturgy.htm

Does anyone here really know where the buck stops on what appears to be such a cut and dried matter? Can bishops ultimately do as they wish, no matter what the Holy See directs? I would appreciate having this explained to me by someone with real insight.
 
Why not take this to the ‘pros’ - the Ask an Apologist area [edited by Moderator]?
 
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Why not take this to the ‘pros’ - the Ask an Apologist area [edited by Moderator]?
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I agree. Or call up on one of the days that a Bishop or Cardinal is on Catholic Answers. They may know of a passage somewhere that actually gives that power to him.
 
Heckesh said:
The Precious Blood is not to be poured into separate chalices during the Mass. This has been beaten to death ad nauseum by both the Holy See and the USCCB.

Reference: usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/chalice.shtml

Then someone like Roger Cardinal Mahony comes along and says “Because our practice has become an Archdiocesan custom of over seven years, with both the Catholic faithful and the ministers accustomed to this practice, I am willing to grant exceptions to no. 106 of Redemptionis Sacramentum…” So the pouring of the Precious Blood continues in that archdiocese.

Reference: the-tidings.com/2004/0910/liturgy.htm

Does anyone here really know where the buck stops on what appears to be such a cut and dried matter? Can bishops ultimately do as they wish, no matter what the Holy See directs? I would appreciate having this explained to me by someone with real insight.
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No, Cardinal Mahony does not have the authority to grant exceptions to practices that have been prohibited by the competent Congregation in Rome and the Bishops Conference of the country. It’s not the first time Cardinal Mahony and others have ignored letters from Roman Congregations.

The reference is from 2004 has anything changed in the four years since?
 
Same thing in the Diocese of San Bernardino, we are essentially told to ignore the USCCB and the Vatican. It is our custom and even though permission has expired and we do not have any permission we do it anyways. The directive is to continue as we are going to request permission again.
We also participate in the Los Angeles Religious Congress so this spreads to all those who participate.

What is the faithful to do?

Scylla
 
Scylla, I, too, live in the San Bernardino Diocese, and have been very frustrated by this practice. We used to have pastors in our parish who would be obedient to Rome regardless of the directive from the Bishop. But currently we don’t have a pastor, and our Pastoral Coordinator doesn’t have the willingness to correct the Bishop. It’s very sad. I don’t know what to do.
 
I was at a convention in Seattle, and the Cathedral was nearby, so I went to Mass there.

Not only did the Deacon pour the Blessed Sacrament, during Communion they had an EMHC walking around with a pitcher full of Jesus, refilling the chalices for any EMHC who ran out. :eek:
 
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I was at a convention in Seattle, and the Cathedral was nearby, so I went to Mass there.

Not only did the Deacon pour the Blessed Sacrament, during Communion they had an EMHC walking around with a pitcher full of Jesus, refilling the chalices for any EMHC who ran out. :eek:
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At my parish, the pouring (by the deacon) is before the consecreation. I haven’t seen it, but at least in the past, they did have an EMHC refilling chalices at the Christmas Eve Vigil Mass.
 
Normally at our parish and all of those I’ve visited, the WINE is poured into however many chalices are needed before the consecration, thus before it becomes the Precious Blood. Also, I have never seen anyone refilling the Precious Blood. Once its gone the EMHC usually takes the challice back to the altar and sits down. The only thing that is ever refilled is the Body of Christ from the hosts that were consecrated when there wasn’t enough.
 
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