Practicing gay catholics shouldn't receive communion

[Slaney]

I always thought Christ taught us to be loving and tolerant. Not to judge others. Not to condemn others and to accept everyone. I also don’t think the obsession with some in the church with sex is particularly helpful. I sometimes wish as God grants us all the gift of further enlightenment, some people in the church could keep up.

Love the sinner hate the sin, again, no sinner should receive that is not in a state of grace.

A practising homosexual is not in a state of grace, nor a practising adulter etc; therefore should not receive…

That’s the teaching of the Church, we can’t manipulate them to fit into our sinful lifestyle…

We can walk away or stay, the choice is there…

 

[DexUK]

I would do no more than refer all the people on this thread to the Gospel reading of the day…

It teaches us that none of us are in a position to judge.

I would further exhort all here to examine the words of our Holy Father today as well in his homily at Sant’Anna Church in the Vatican as well as his teaching at today’s Angelus - in which he described how often we judge others while we ourselves would be found wanting and how we frequently deny ourselves forgiveness through hardness of our own hearts.

I am not going to judge anyone for receiving Communion. I don’t know their state of mind, I don’t know their level of culpability in their acts, I cannot tell by looking whether they are in a state of grace or not.

 

[eyesopening]

I would do no more than refer all the people on this thread to the Gospel reading of the day…

It teaches us that none of us are in a position to judge.

I would further exhort all here to examine the words of our Holy Father today as well in his homily at Sant’Anna Church in the Vatican as well as his teaching at today’s Angelus - in which he described how often we judge others while we ourselves would be found wanting and how we frequently deny ourselves forgiveness through hardness of our own hearts.

I am not going to judge anyone for receiving Communion. I don’t know their state of mind, I don’t know their level of culpability in their acts, I cannot tell by looking whether they are in a state of grace or not.

I agree with this. I’m sure you also agree that those who are not in a state of grace should refrain from taking Eucharist. I’m not saying that it is up to us to decide who is and is not in a state of grace.

 

[PatriceA]

I would do no more than refer all the people on this thread to the Gospel reading of the day…

It teaches us that none of us are in a position to judge.

I would further exhort all here to examine the words of our Holy Father today as well in his homily at Sant’Anna Church in the Vatican as well as his teaching at today’s Angelus - in which he described how often we judge others while we ourselves would be found wanting and how we frequently deny ourselves forgiveness through hardness of our own hearts.

I am not going to judge anyone for receiving Communion. I don’t know their state of mind, I don’t know their level of culpability in their acts, I cannot tell by looking whether they are in a state of grace or not.

I believe that’s what a few in this thread are saying. That you can’t tell what someone’s sin is just by looking at them in the communion line and we can not judge that someone’s sin is worse than someone else’s. Every Catholic should examine their conscience, with the help of a priest in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and make the decision if they are in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist.

 

[Rabbitthekitten]

Ok. So point taken. You don’t believe what the Catholic church teaches.

I believe in what Christ taught us. As I said before:

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7

Is it moral to ignore Christ and cast the first stone by condemning gay people?

Is it moral to condemn God’s creatures? After all, he made them gay, it’s not a lifestyle choice.

Many orders in the Catholic Church encourage free thinking. I wish that more people indulged in it at times.

 

[PatriceA]

I believe in what Christ taught us. As I said before:

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7

Is it moral to ignore Christ and cast the first stone by condemning gay people?

Is it moral to condemn God’s creatures? After all, he made them gay, it’s not a lifestyle choice.

Many orders in the Catholic Church encourage free thinking. I wish that more people indulged in it at times.

You forgot the rest of that passage in scripture, that Jesus told the woman to sin no more. We’re not to condemn gay people, but they are not to continue to sin by engaging in sinful actions and being in a practicing homosexual relationship is sinful.

 

[eyesopening]

After all, he made them gay, it’s not a lifestyle choice.

This is in opposition to what the Church teaches.

 

[DexUK]

This is in opposition to what the Church teaches.

It is neither in opposition nor agreement. The Church has not ruled on the matter.

 

[Rabbitthekitten]

This is in opposition to what the Church teaches.

Christ taught us to question established thought.-

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them. - Matthew 22:41

He questioned the religious leaders of his time. Church teaching has changed through time. Vatican Councils, Councils of Trent, Etc…

It is not wrong to question church teaching, it helps us to understand our faith.

 

[TomD123]

Love isn’t wrong…Unnatural sex is. Consenting to any romantic feelings or whatever that lead one to unnatural sexual activity is of course wrong. Real Christian charity means desiring what is best for the other. Engaging in unnatural activity is contrary to nature (thus God) and is never good for anyone spiritually or temporally. Therefore, it can never be real love.

I always thought Christ taught us to be loving and tolerant. Not to judge others. Not to condemn others and to accept everyone. I also don’t think the obsession with some in the church with sex is particularly helpful. I sometimes wish as God grants us all the gift of further enlightenment, some people in the church could keep up.

Christ did teach us not to judge others, that is why we shouldn’t look at someone walking up to communion and say “oh wow they are unworthy” time better spent in prayer with Jesus at that sacred time.

Although we should never commit the sin of rash judgment (a sin against others) we can and should judge actions. Christ did. The Church does. The great Saints did.

People who disagree with Church teaching always go with the “sex obssessed” accusation. Just because the Church says God made sex for a reason and expects it to be used as such does not mean the Church is sex obsessed.

God grants people enlightenment true, but the Church does not keep up with the times. If the Church should keep up with the times…what is the point in the Church really?

 

[TomD123]

Christ taught us to question established thought.-

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them. - Matthew 22:41

He questioned the religious leaders of his time. Church teaching has changed through time. Vatican Councils, Councils of Trent, Etc…

It is not wrong to question church teaching, it helps us to understand our faith.

The Church is infallible.
Rome has spoken the matter is settled…right?

And for the OP: Many people in all sorts of mortal sin receive communion because they reject the Church’s teachings. They don’t like the rules. But we should focus on how we should recieve more worthily and how to promote love of Christ in the Eucharist rather than focus on why specific people recieve who shouldn’t. Public sinners should certainly be denied the Eucharist but as the laity we can only do so much about that. Pray for those who recieve unworthily, Pray for Catholics who recieve worthily that we all may do a better job

 

[TEPO]

Christ taught us to question established thought.-

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them. - Matthew 22:41

He questioned the religious leaders of his time. Church teaching has changed through time. Vatican Councils, Councils of Trent, Etc…

It is not wrong to question church teaching, it helps us to understand our faith.

Are you saying that it is holy and good for actively practicing homosexuals to receive the Eucharist?

 

[Rabbitthekitten]

The Church is infallible. Rome has spoken the matter is settled…right?

It’s only been infallible since 1870. And was not infallible when it made the decision to become infallible. I don’t know when the teachings about homosexuality date from but I guess it is pre-1870.

 

[Regina_Love]

I don’t see how people who are in a loving relationship hurts anyone else. Whether they are gay, straight or whatever. I think the most important thing is to be in a loving relationship, just sleeping around, I don’t think that is particularly healthy. But how can two people in love be classed as sinful? I know this is not a widespread view in Catholicism, but I just don’t understand how love can be wrong.

Your logic is broken. By your logic if a man loves his cow, how can it be wrong if he feels love, and means well. It’s not about feelings. It’s about what God deems morally right or wrong. God deems the sex acts of homosexuality intrinsicly evil, and disordered. They oppose the basics necessary for Sacramental Marriage which is what God calls his people, made in his divine image, to.

If you read “Humane vitae” and learn about Sacramental Marriage, it will make sense to you.

God’s ways are high above mans ways. He knows true love would never endanger some ones soul. We would never want them to spend eternity in Hell. True love calls people out of their sinful temptations, and through the Holy Spirit, we learn the love the ways of God. It is only when we live purified from our sins that we have true inner peace, and joy.

 

[TEPO]

The Church is infallible.
Rome has spoken the matter is settled…right?

And for the OP: Many people in all sorts of mortal sin receive communion because they reject the Church’s teachings. They don’t like the rules. But we should focus on how we should recieve more worthily and how to promote love of Christ in the Eucharist rather than focus on why specific people recieve who shouldn’t. Public sinners should certainly be denied the Eucharist but as the laity we can only do so much about that. Pray for those who recieve unworthily, Pray for Catholics who recieve worthily that we all may do a better job

Hold on, we’ve seen this poster proclaim general ideas, but what is it that he or she actually believes in regards to actively practicing homosexuals receiving the Eucharist?

Does rabbithekitten believe that gays should receive, or is it that we should not ‘judge’?

 

[erlembald]

Christ taught us to question established thought.-

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them. - Matthew 22:41

He questioned the religious leaders of his time. Church teaching has changed through time. Vatican Councils, Councils of Trent, Etc…

It is not wrong to question church teaching, it helps us to understand our faith.

You have said you don’t understand why the Church condemns homosexuality, so instead of questioning a Church teaching whose rationale you don’t understand, you should take the time and read some of St. Thomas Aquinas, and about natural law…instead of second guessing 2000 years of Church teaching. That’s hubris. Morality judges feelings, not vice versa!

 

[TEPO]

It’s only been infallible since 1870. And was not infallible when it made the decision to become infallible. I don’t know when the teachings about homosexuality date from but I guess it is pre-1870.

What is the point of this?

…in regards to the original topic at hand.

 

[Rabbitthekitten]

Are you saying that it is holy and good for actively practicing homosexuals to receive the Eucharist?

If they are in a loving relationship I don’t see the problem. Many won’t agree, but that is their prerogative. I just can’t accept that love is sinful.

 

[Rabbitthekitten]

What is the point of this?

The infallible argument is an easy way for conservatives to resist evolution of Church thinking. What a Pope said 200 years ago on a given subject might not be relevant in today’s world.

 

[TEPO]

If they are in a loving relationship I don’t see the problem. Many won’t agree, but that is their prerogative. I just can’t accept that love is sinful.

But Jesus calls us all into a loving relationship with each other… I still don’t understand.