Practicing gay catholics shouldn't receive communion

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It’s one extreme to the other. We’ve gone from branding and shunning fornicators and adulterers to saying that there really is not such thing as sexual morality so long as everyone’s a consenting adult.
And the next step in the process will be continuing to lower the age of consent heading towards the point where the age of consent limit will be abolished. The devil is very much at work and is using atheistic secular society as a tool in this.
 
And the next step in the process will be continuing to lower the age of consent heading towards the point where the age of consent limit will be abolished. The devil is very much at work and is using atheistic secular society as a tool in this.
I’m not sure I really agree there, since there are arguments against paedophilia (and younger folks having sex) that are entirely separate from sex between adults. I reckon it’d take a lot for people to accept paedophilia. It doesn’t really bear the same traits that other relationships have. I mean, you can meet and great a homosexual couple and see they’re nice people and what-not, but it’d be much more questionable meeting a ‘couple’ that consisted of a 40 year-old guy and ten year-old boy. I think that’d put people on edge a bit more.
 
I am one of the people about whom this thread has been speaking. I am Catholic and been in a gay monogamous relationship with my partner for over 15 years. I love the Church and attend Mass, but do not receive Holy Communion because I know that I am unworthy and that I am not in communion with the Church. Although this is painful, I have come to realize that God chose me first. I didn’t initiate my conversion to the Catholic faith - the Holy Spirit brought me into the Church. I have faith in that calling and that God knew what He was doing when He called me to convert in 1992 and that things will work out. I understand the testimony that you have given on this thread and it is flawlessly logical, and I accuse myself to be a sinner. Our understanding has changed quite a bit since the times of Leviticus, Paul, Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas (when lepers were untouchable and women were considered unclean at certain times, etc). I am hopeful that a new Revelation from the Holy Spirit may shed a new light of understanding on this issue too. Until then, I pray for God’s mercy and forgiveness. I am not here to argue and will not be posting again. Please pray for me and thank you for your insights.
God bless you both.
 
I am one of the people about whom this thread has been speaking. I am Catholic and been in a gay monogamous relationship with my partner for over 15 years. I love the Church and attend Mass, but do not receive Holy Communion because I know that I am unworthy and that I am not in communion with the Church.
And in that you are no different from heterosexual couples living together as man and wife, many of whom do go up to take Communion, whereas you respect the Church’s view on this.

You’re a good man, you’re in my prayers.
 
It doesn’t really bear the same traits that other relationships have. I mean, you can meet and great a homosexual couple and see they’re nice people and what-not, but it’d be much more questionable meeting a ‘couple’ that consisted of a 40 year-old guy and ten year-old boy. I think that’d put people on edge a bit more.
I would agree, it doesn’t bear the same traits, and you can certainly meet homosexual couples who are nice people. I have a very good friend who is in a homosexual relationship.

But on the issue of lowering the age of consent, this has been happening in Europe for quite some time now, and the age of consent in most European countries is either 14 or 15 (only a minority of European countries have it as high as 16) and in Spain the age of consent is 13. How long before a legal challenge brings ages of consent in EU countries into line with each other (and I bet that wouldn’t mean raising the age upwards across the board).

Where do you draw the line at pedophilia? How would you view a Spanish consensual relationship between a 40 year old man and a 13 year old girl (or 13 year old boy)? It’s legal in Spain.

The social unacceptability of pedophilia is sadly not universal. Pedophilia is would seem to be quite prevalent amongst a fair few of those who exercise positiosn of political power, and within some in the media and entertainment (in the UK anyway) and not forgetting the pedophilia amongst the clergy in recent years. There are quite a few pedophiles in positions of power, and they think it’s perfectly acceptable.
 
Why is that different than anyone else who receives unworthily? :confused:
its not and every one recieving unworthily should stop immediately. Some of the replies on this tread sound like kid say “well everyone else is…”
 
Me thinks it resembles someone who when faced with the truth, their logic is exposed for what it is…hot air! The truth always prevails. Especially when explained as well as you, PatriceA and many, many others have done here!..🙂

Peace, Mark
Aw, thank you for the kind words. I feel truly humbled. God bless and Happy Easter!
 
I know my faith. I am a traditional Catholic and It does not matter if you are committing gay sex sins or straight because they are both mortal sins…Catholic Straight Men and women who are running around out there committing adultery, fornication etc are also in Mortal sin and their soul is in just as much danger as two catholic guys who have sex. They are all mortal sins and you can go to hell for committing mortal sin. So you better be really careful with regards to how you judge. Don’t have the “holier than thou attitude” A gay man or woman can receive communion if he/she is in a state of grace which means the person has confessed his/her sin to a priest and is truly sorry and does not want to commit the sin again. A prostitute can also go to communion if she is catholic and confesses her sins. Also I want to bring up an old thread on this websight that I find ridiculous. I am new to this sight and saw an old post where there was a thread regarding being refused communion and what if two gay guys were in line for communion and known to be gay but now repentant and practicing their faith. Someone said they should still not be able to receive communion because they should not be living together. Whoever said this is committing sins of judgment. If a gay guy states that he is NO LONGER having sex with his boyfriend and they have separate bedrooms and are not attracted to each other then they have a right to receive communion if they have gone to confession and are sorry for their sins and they can still live in the same house. Ever hear the word (roomate)? I am shocked at how ignorant some of the people are on here. There are also men and women who have the same circumstances, sometimes living together for many years in a marriage not blessed by the church but at some point they have no sex drive for one another and by grace of God desire to come back to the church and they can also go to confession if truly repentant and live under the same roof. The main thing to remember is you are not able to judge in these circumstances. Any Catholic who is in a state of grace may receive communion and yes a Gay person can make it to heaven if they repent and live a Christian life, receive the sacraments and not act on the sin. Yes, two people can live under the same roof if they were once an item and now no longer attracted to one another sexually… Think before you post.
 
Let me make it clear that I am in no way implying that anyone who has posted on this thread is a homophobe or bigot of any kind. I am just making the general point that such people do exist within our Church…
Homophobe is a made-up word that has been used as a weapon against any who disagree with homosexual activity. There are very few people who ‘hate’ and fewer still who ‘fear’ homosexuals.
Look, everyone who is against homosexual practices is not a bigot? I think that’s possibly not true. There are at least two posters on here who have posted quite frankly ignorant posts. I’m not saying everyone is, I’m saying that some are. I’m not trying to change people’s view, I’m trying to foster debate. I’m trying to get people to look at why they hold their beliefs and whether it is because they truly believe them or because they are expected to believe them. To engage with Catholicism and look at different points of view, not agree with them, just to understand them.
  1. No, being against homosexual practices does not make one a bigot anymore than being against smoking or driving drunk makes one a bigot. I have no idea which posts you’re referring to, but the use of the word ‘ignorant’ by so many people these days, applied to any idea with which they disagree, has become quite wearisome.
  2. Clearly you are trying to change people’s views. It doesn’t even make sense to repeatedly defend a position, even call others ‘ignorant,’ and yet claim you have no desire for them to change their views.
  3. “I’m trying to get people to look at why they hold their beliefs…” etc. is offensive, presumptuous, and arrogant. It *assumes *that those who believe other than what you believe must not have given any thought to what they believe and why. It makes an implicit statement and gives the attitude that you are more thoughtful, wiser, more intelligent, and have come here to save the poor foolish masses from themselves.
Do you really think that the Popes and priests have not thought about why they believe what they do?

Have you examined why you believe what you do? Do you truly believe it, or if you dig deep, do you find you only believe it because you’re expected to by a liberal society? Is it because you’ve been taught that two men together is no different from a man and a woman in marriage and you’ve never really considered why what you were taught is wrong?
  1. If you took the time to study the meaning behind the marital act (and I have specific reasons for calling it that rather than sex), and how that pertains to God, and how our ‘private’ behaviors affect our children, and all of society, perhaps you would begin to see how peculiar it is to encourage others to ‘understand’ sinful points of view. Especially considering your every post (at least all those I’ve read) suggests that you are really defending and trying to get people to agree with and accept, not merely ‘understand’ sinful actions.
 
I’m not causing anyone to sin. If someone sins because of anything I say then they are probably very weak and easily influenced.
To encourage sin is a sin in and of itself. That someone else may be weak or easily influenced doesn’t excuse another from encouraging them along a sinful path.
I’m not trying to take them away. All I’m saying is if you questions things, you learn why they are there.
Again, this is a presumptuous judgment that others haven’t questioned or considered.
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, I’m just trying to get people to look at things from a fresh angle.
Why? What is your purpose, if not to convince someone of what you’re saying?
…According to the teaching of the Church, men and women with homosexual tendencies ‘must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided’. - Pope Benedict XVI

I don’t think obsessing about sex does the church any favours.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7

People should remember Christ did not teach people to judge others. He lived with sinners and died for them.
All of these are red herrings. The Church has always taught love for others. That doesn’t mean ignoring sin. It doesn’t mean we may ask why those in mortal sin are continuing to receive communion. Such a question is not ‘unjust discrimination,’ so that quote has nothing to do with the question.

It’s disingenuous notion in a world obsessed with, and pushing sex at every turn, to claim that the Church who addresses what’s happening in the world, in teaching Her people who must live in that world, is now somehow ‘obsessing about sex.’

Christ lived with sinners and died for them. He also said, “Go and sin no more.” The Scriptures also tell us to let our brothers know when they are doing wrong.
Because people have free will and are sinful.
This is the best answer to the original question.
Why do heterosexuals having premarital sex continue to receive? Or the married committing adultery? There are a lot of Catholics that shouldn’t receive the Eucharist, but they do. Homosexuals are not sinning to a greater degree than any of the other sinners I mentioned. I’d be careful singling out the practicing homosexuals because your post comes across as their sin is worse than others.
I agree with everything else I’ve seen you say here, but on this question, the reason homosexual activity is so often ‘singled out’ is that people are promoting, celebrating, and trying to normalize homosexual activity, whereas no one is proclaiming their right to adultery or marching in the streets to celebrate that they’re having premarital sex. If there were parades for adulterers, and people were routinely being called ‘bigot’ and ‘adulterophobe’ and ‘haters’ for opposing adultery, if crowds of adulterers were attacking churches in South America or throwing water on bishops, I think we’d be seeing the exact same question here regarding adultery. Because it would be a national issue.
 
I don’t think that there has ever been a practicing homosexual that has received communion. :cool: Therefore, there is no merit in claiming that something that doesn’t exist actually does.

…prove me wrong. 🤷
I’m having a hard time believing you really intend to say what this says. You actually believe that no practicing homosexual has ever received communion? I personally know people who are, have, and do. We’ve all seen reports over the years of gay activist groups going up to communion, and heard of people taking the host and giving it to others.

Especially with the current popular idea that we can all make up our own moral code and anyone should have the right to communion if they want it, it’s a peculiar notion to claim such a thing never happens.
… I just don’t understand how love can be wrong.
It’s not about love. It’s about homosexual acts. It’s about the fact that sexual acts, as per John Paul II’s Theology of the Body are a reflection of the life-giving power of love of God Himself, and that is why the act of sex is reserved for marriage between a man and a woman.
Christ taught us to question established thought.-



It is not wrong to question church teaching, it helps us to understand our faith.
You do realize that ‘established thought’ today is very much ‘homosexual acts are equivalent to heterosexual ones’ and ‘premarital sex is normal, acceptable, and good?’ Have you questioned that established thought? 😉
 
Why do heterosexuals having premarital sex continue to receive? Or the married committing adultery? There are a lot of Catholics that shouldn’t receive the Eucharist, but they do. Homosexuals are not sinning to a greater degree than any of the other sinners I mentioned. I’d be careful singling out the practicing homosexuals because your post comes across as their sin is worse than others.
Agreed…
 
To encourage sin is a sin in and of itself. That someone else may be weak or easily influenced doesn’t excuse another from encouraging them along a sinful path.

Again, this is a presumptuous judgment that others haven’t questioned or considered.

Why? What is your purpose, if not to convince someone of what you’re saying?

All of these are red herrings. The Church has always taught love for others. That doesn’t mean ignoring sin. It doesn’t mean we may ask why those in mortal sin are continuing to receive communion. Such a question is not ‘unjust discrimination,’ so that quote has nothing to do with the question.

It’s disingenuous notion in a world obsessed with, and pushing sex at every turn, to claim that the Church who addresses what’s happening in the world, in teaching Her people who must live in that world, is now somehow ‘obsessing about sex.’

Christ lived with sinners and died for them. He also said, “Go and sin no more.” The Scriptures also tell us to let our brothers know when they are doing wrong.

This is the best answer to the original question.

I agree with everything else I’ve seen you say here, but on this question, the reason homosexual activity is so often ‘singled out’ is that people are promoting, celebrating, and trying to normalize homosexual activity, whereas no one is proclaiming their right to adultery or marching in the streets to celebrate that they’re having premarital sex. If there were parades for adulterers, and people were routinely being called ‘bigot’ and ‘adulterophobe’ and ‘haters’ for opposing adultery, if crowds of adulterers were attacking churches in South America or throwing water on bishops, I think we’d be seeing the exact same question here regarding adultery. Because it would be a national issue.
If you think gay pride parades are about sex you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Premarital sex is pretty pervasive, listen to music, watch TV, go to a movie. Fornication is common and celebrated.
 
If you think gay pride parades are about sex you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Premarital sex is pretty pervasive, listen to music, watch TV, go to a movie. Fornication is common and celebrated.
I agree fornication is common. But no one is hosting annual parades making sure they tell everyone that they’re fornicating, and making sure everyone knows that they’re proud of fornicating.
 
I don’t see how people who are in a loving relationship hurts anyone else. Whether they are gay, straight or whatever. I think the most important thing is to be in a loving relationship, just sleeping around, I don’t think that is particularly healthy. But how can two people in love be classed as sinful? I know this is not a widespread view in Catholicism, but I just don’t understand how love can be wrong.
It is not the love between them–the mutual caring, the friendship, the mutual appreciation–that violates a moral law. The violation of moral law comes when we are using our sexual faculty in a manner that is not in keeping with being a temple of the Holy Spirit or when we place ourselves in a near occasion of sin.

That is how two people in love can be sinful–that is, when they use their emotional bond, the depth of their passion, or the sublimity of the pleasure they share as an excuse to violate God’s boundaries what we may do with our bodies. This happens when someone finds his “soul mate” and abandons the wife he dislikes but has promised to love and honor for as long as they both shall live. It happens when two people who are not so promised give their bodies to each other as if they were.

It also happens when two people share sexual consort that is by its nature closed to life or by its very nature divorced from physical sexual complementarity–and keep in mind that this is true for homosexual and heterosexual couples alike. Even a husband and wife could not morally have the sexual life of two homosexual women or two homosexual men. That sort of sexual consort is forbidden even to the married.
 
I’m male, I started a thread below this called ‘Marriage’. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, I’m just trying to get people to look at things from a fresh angle.
These aren’t fresh angles, that is the thing. They are angles that have been beaten to death for 50 years and more in the latest assault. They are angles that have been beaten into public acceptance by repetition, even though they are still just as false as the first time they were declared false.

These wrong-headed “angles” have also been beaten into the public by the shameless use of shaming, let us be blunt, and by the solicitation of a false sympathy that makes misled transgressors into the victims not of those who misled them, but of those who speak the truth, who are in turn made out to be bigots! Those who hold to the traditional morality taught by the Apostles are ridiculed, subjected to name-calling, made out to be judgmental and hateful, declared ignorant and unfit for educated society, and shunned, both socially and economically.
 
If you think gay pride parades are about sex you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Oh, sure. Let’s carry a banner in favor of sexual continence for homosexuals in a gay pride parade, just to test your hypothesis.
 
Why do heterosexuals having premarital sex continue to receive? Or the married committing adultery? There are a lot of Catholics that shouldn’t receive the Eucharist, but they do. Homosexuals are not sinning to a greater degree than any of the other sinners I mentioned. I’d be careful singling out the practicing homosexuals because your post comes across as their sin is worse than others.
This is a very common caution that tends, unfortunately, to go like this:
If you talk about homosexuality as a sin, you must talk about all sexual sin, lest you single out one sexual sin from the many to the point of obsessing about it.
If you talk about sexual sin, you must talk about all sin, for the same reason–that is, because by talking about sexual sin we might give the impression that we are obsessed with sex or that other sins are not grave
If you talk about grave sin, you must be careful to note that a grave sin is not mortal unless there is not only a grave matter but also consent, since the person who commits a grave act under duress is not culpable.
Besides, we all sin, so how can any of us talk about the sin of others? Should we not take the beam from our own eye before attending the sliver in our brother’s eye?

These are all quite true. We must be careful, however, that we do not forget that there is a ditch on both sides of the road. Let us say that you give people Bibles and let them catch on that certain acts are forbidden, but then lead them away from this passage or that because it upsets someone to be told that they should not commit this act or that. Instead, it is more “peaceful” to lull them into believing that their sins are not worse than anyone else’s and confession is just an exercise in shaming and who of us are really in control of ourselves and not driven by the pressures of our particular trials, which no one else can know, and who is perfect and so what is really a sin, anyway? In the end, the road to perdition is made soft, easy, and gradual. As C.S. Lewis put it, “Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one–the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts.”

My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” James 5:19-20

He said to his disciples, “Things that cause sin will inevitably occur, but woe to the person through whom they occur. It would be better for him if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him." Luke 17:1-3

The Lord warned us not to correct others while neglecting to correct ourselves and warned us against using condemnation in place of mercy. He never told his disciples to tell sinners that sin was not sin, nor did he do away with morality or the need for repentance from sin.
 
Easter Joy

Well said!

Current culture places too high a value on sex - for everyone.

Every practising Catholic knows that the road to heaven is hard for everyone, male and female, married and single, heterosexual and homosexual. Just because you’re married within the Church doesn’t mean it is suddenly a free for all. There are boundaries that exist for us all. It isn’t about discrimination or judgment it is about Truth and heresy.
 
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