Pray for DePaul University

[John_R]

DePaul betrays its Saintly Founder St. Vincent

What a Moral Shame!

I hear that DePaul is the first and largest Catholic university to establish a minor in “queer studies.” It’s called “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer Studies.”

According to the Chicago Tribune: several students in the class said they are planning for jobs in lesbian and gay activism.

Thousands of Catholic college students are really upset. I am too. They are urging all Catholics to contact the president of DePaul University, a priest, urging him to reconsider and cancel the program, which really goes directly against the Catholic teaching. Why don’t they promote a minor about the beauty of sexual purity and modesty???

You can help this good cause. Let’s not let the Catholic identity of DePaul go down the drain of history.

Please visit:

tfp.org/student_action/activities/protests/depaul_queerstudies.htm

God bless!

 

[Libero]

I see no problem in the study of the topic. A university is an Intstitute of Higher Education. It is thoroughly academic and wishes to remove ignorance, why should this exclude GLBT topics? Of course it is controversial, but surely there is no harm in educating oneself in the matter, it is what you do with the knowledge that matters…

 

[fix]

Libero:

I see no problem in the study of the topic. A university is an Intstitute of Higher Education. It is thoroughly academic and wishes to remove ignorance, why should this exclude GLBT topics? Of course it is controversial, but surely there is no harm in educating oneself in the matter, it is what you do with the knowledge that matters…

Is it a legitimate academic discipline or advocacy of a political cause?

 

[shannin]

Libero:

I see no problem in the study of the topic. A university is an Intstitute of Higher Education. It is thoroughly academic and wishes to remove ignorance, why should this exclude GLBT topics? Of course it is controversial, but surely there is no harm in educating oneself in the matter, it is what you do with the knowledge that matters…

You see no problem with lesbian and gay activism :tsktsk:

 

[Libero]

fix:

Is it a legitimate academic discipline or advocacy of a political cause?

I would have to see the course material in order to be able to establish that.

 

[Libero]

shannin:

You see no problem with lesbian and gay activism :tsktsk:

Firstly, there is no need to go wagging fingers, gees.

Secondly, that is not even what I said. I said there is no problem in the study of the particular field, I didn’t add any comment on wether using it for activism was correct.

Studying the topic is a good thing, we will be able to learn unique and unprecednted information, some of which people would have previously attempted to deny or water down.

There are so many aspects that could be studied in this area, not merely the belief that gays are ok…

 

[Elzee]

Libero:

I see no problem in the study of the topic. A university is an Intstitute of Higher Education. It is thoroughly academic and wishes to remove ignorance, why should this exclude GLBT topics? Of course it is controversial, but surely there is no harm in educating oneself in the matter,** it is what you do with the knowledge that matters…**

It’s what you TEACH in regard to the subject that matters first, however.

 

[Libero]

Elzee:

It’s what you TEACH in regard to the subject that matters first, however.

To an extent, students are not completely incompetent, I am sure they are capable of reaching their own informed analysis. Has anyone got a link to the site?

We don’t have Catholic Universities in Britain, but I can relate this to an incident a couple of years ago when a University lecturer was given a Tenured Professorship in GLBT Studies, there was a little controversy, but really, not that much.

 

[frommi]

I think a lot of the problem is that they chose politically charged language (queer studies) as the monkier of the program.

Look…it is a legitimate topic of study in terms of the sociology of it all.

However, I fear that it will be nothing but students who identify as Lesbigay who take the courses…

I do agree that there needs to be a thorough accounting of the Catholic doctrine on this issue as part of the program.

 

[chicago]

John R:

You can help this good cause. Let’s not let the Catholic identity of DePaul go down the drain of history.

I fear it may be far too late for that. DePaul really needs nothing short of an almost complete remake.

 

[shannin]

chicago:

I fear it may be far too late for that. DePaul really needs nothing short of an almost complete remake.

My father went to DePaul when it was a grade school.

 

[frommi]

chicago:

I fear it may be far too late for that. DePaul really needs nothing short of an almost complete remake.

Oh give me a break…that’s about as far off base as any comment made around here. The school has a strong vincentian heritage and plays that out every day.

 

[Elzee]

Libero:

To an extent, students are not completely incompetent, I am sure they are capable of reaching their own informed analysis. .

That’s true - that’s why I said ‘first’. Young people especially can be swayed by how something is presented to them.

In addition, when we’re talking about faith and morals, their “own informed analysis” needs to be in line with Church doctrine.

 

[chicago]

shannin:

My father went to DePaul when it was a grade school.

Those were the good 'ol days. I know many a man (including relatives of mine) who graduated from the high school and then went on to get their college degrees from DePaul.

 

[chicago]

frommi:

Oh give me a break…that’s about as far off base as any comment made around here. The school has a strong vincentian heritage and plays that out every day.

Frankly, I’d suggest that they pretty much undermine their own Vincentian heritage, despite the fact that it is still under Vincentian tuteledge. That’s the common outcry which gets used there, though, as cover. What you do get at DePaul is mostly watered down mushy versions of social conscience Catholicism. Which is precisely the kind of thing which tends to lead towards incorporation of the program here noted. The parish, at least, is decent and has a pretty good pastor who I like. However, the school has had serious identity problems for quite some time now. (But, I dunno, perhaps you think, for example, that prominent Professor Emeritus John Dominic Crossan was a noble theologian?) Really, nobody denies this reality, even if they somehow try to put a positive spin on their direction. It’s just one of those “everybody knows” things. And, so, few are fooled as to what kind of an institution DePaul really is.

At least the women’s basketball team is good. I wish the men could get into the tourney again and become the pride of Chicago like they once were. As it stands, though, I guess we’re stuck with little more than “gay pride” at DePaul for now.

 

[frommi]

chicago:

Frankly, I’d suggest that they pretty much undermine their own Vincentian heritage, despite the fact that it is still under Vincentian tuteledge. That’s the common outcry which gets used there, though, as cover. What you do get at DePaul is mostly watered down mushy versions of social conscience Catholicism. Which is precisely the kind of thing which tends to lead towards incorporation of the program here noted. The parish, at least, is decent and has a pretty good pastor who I like. However, the school has had serious identity problems for quite some time now. (But, I dunno, perhaps you think, for example, that prominent Professor Emeritus John Dominic Crossan was a noble theologian?) Really, nobody denies this reality, even if they somehow try to put a positive spin on their direction. It’s just one of those “everybody knows” things. And, so, few are fooled as to what kind of an institution DePaul really is.

At least the women’s basketball team is good. I wish the men could get into the tourney again and become the pride of Chicago like they once were. As it stands, though, I guess we’re stuck with little more than “gay pride” at DePaul for now.

Certainly they could do a better job with some aspects of Catholicism…I never have understood the multipurpose chapel thats smaller than the Muslim prayer room…

 

[chicago]

Ray Meyer, the pride of DePaul and a most noteworthy Catholic, has died. R.I.P. Coach!

 

[John_R]

frommi:

Oh give me a break…that’s about as far off base as any comment made around here. The school has a strong vincentian heritage and plays that out every day.

I beg to differ. I fail to see how DePaul is living its Vincentian heritage. It is in fact betraying its Catholic identity. A little challenge for you: try to find one single mention of homosexual vice on DePaul’s web site or printed material that refers to the sin of sodomy as a SIN, a disorder, or even a health risk.

For your information, this article shows how syphilis rose 8% in 2004 because of homosexual activity:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188174,00.html

Would you have any moral objections to a minor in bestiality? I hope so.

By Saint Vincent de Paul:

“He who allows himself to be ruled or guided by the lower and animal part of his nature, deserves to be called a beast rather than a man.”

 

[Prolife1968]

DePaul betrays its Saintly Founder St. Vincent

Let’s not let the Catholic identity of DePaul go down the drain of history.

God bless!

I thought that this post was going to be about abortion, because I saw a pro-abortion bumper sticker and Depaul decal on the same car, yesterday.

 

[Libero]

John R:

I beg to differ. I fail to see how DePaul is living its Vincentian heritage. It is in fact betraying its Catholic identity. A little challenge for you: try to find one single mention of homosexual vice on DePaul’s web site or printed material that refers to the sin of sodomy as a SIN, a disorder, or even a health risk.

For your information, this article shows how syphilis rose 8% in 2004 because of homosexual activity:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188174,00.html

Would you have any moral objections to a minor in bestiality? I hope so.

By Saint Vincent de Paul:

“He who allows himself to be ruled or guided by the lower and animal part of his nature, deserves to be called a beast rather than a man.”

This post confuses me slightly. Firstly, why would the website mention Sodomy? Sodomy does not mean homosexuality.
Secondly, bestiality and homosexuality are not the same either, I mean please, this is very simple stuff, I am sure that the University do not want to ruin their status as an academic institute by making a comment as stupid to claim that homosexuality and Sodomy are near the same thing.