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We are called to be set apart, to enter the narrow gate
I agree that we should enter through the narrow gate.

It is wise to want that which we naturally desire (Happiness, Life, Love)

It is unwise to want anything else,
Because anything else can be
The source of disunity, war,
Death, hate, and,
Unhappiness.

Wisdom is defined by,
That which we naturally desire.
But the true joy and true happiness is the joy and happiness in the Lord.
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And how do you define God?
You never did answer my question.
 
It is wise to want that which we naturally desire (Happiness, Life, Love)

Wisdom is defined by, That which we naturally desire.
Whoa, friend. I hope you are not meaning that literally, for it may be very UN-wise to retain ‘natural’ desires that are disordered and/or forbidden. June 14th we had a reading about Ahab in the Book of Kings who “naturally desired” his neighbor’s vineyard and urged him to sell it to him. After Naboth refused, Ahab schemed to have him killed so that he might claim it for himself. nccbuscc.org/nab/061410.shtml

Surely, this could not be your meaning, and I trust you will correct me if I have misread it. Basically, I’m not understanding the point of your comments, since all the reading I have done from St. John is not speaking to me in the manner you have posted.
 
Originally Posted by Psychotheosophy
And how do you define God?
To define means to characterize, to classify, to describe, to name……
How could our limited mind and word define the supreme, infinite God?

God said, “I am who I am.” (EX3:14) You won’t be a Catholic unless you believe in God. So who is God to you?

Maybe a better question is what Jesus asked his disciples: ”But who do you say that I am?” (Matthew 16:15)
 
To define means to characterize, to classify, to describe, to name……
How could our limited mind and word define the supreme, infinite God?

God said, “I am who I am.” (EX3:14) You won’t be a Catholic unless you believe in God. So who is God to you?

Maybe a better question is what Jesus asked his disciples: ”But who do you say that I am?” (Matthew 16:15)
God = The Principle of Happiness,
Infinite Happiness can never lack Happiness,
Therefore,
God can never lack Happiness.

And,

A principle does not change between contexts.
Whoa, friend. I hope you are not meaning that literally, for it may be very UN-wise to retain ‘natural’ desires that are disordered and/or forbidden. June 14th we had a reading about Ahab in the Book of Kings who “naturally desired” his neighbor’s vineyard and urged him to sell it to him. After Naboth refused, Ahab schemed to have him killed so that he might claim it for himself. nccbuscc.org/nab/061410.shtml

Surely, this could not be your meaning, and I trust you will correct me if I have misread it. Basically, I’m not understanding the point of your comments, since all the reading I have done from St. John is not speaking to me in the manner you have posted.
Within this context,
“Naturally” is defined as,
“Based on an inherent sense of right and wrong.”
Not the material world.
 
+Psychotheosophy . . . *in all charity and peace . . .

*My naturally contemplative soul has been much enjoying and has been very appreciative of this thread as it has unfolded . . . and I’ve have actually tucked it into my “Favorites” list on the computer for future reference . . . the depths of the thoughts and cohesive sharings from the wealth and richness of Catholic mystical wisdom . . . both of past Catholics, Saints and Doctors of our Wonderful Apostolic Holy Roman Catholic Church . . . and present Catholics sharings on this thread . . . compiled have produced a really delightful spiritual read of no little spiritual depth . . .

However . . . upon reading your expressions of thought on this thread Psychotheosophy . . . **some distant memory bells of warning began ringing deep within the heart of my soul **. . . though you present yourself as a Catholic . . . your choice of your specific “username” here at Catholic Answers Forum (CAF) presents a very strange anti-Catholic philosophy-of-position and a clear conflict of interest juxtaposed to the Christian/Catholic point-of-view/theology . . . theosophy is a distinctly non-Christian/non-Catholic . . . philosophy and is a religion in and of itself . . .

In order to better understand where you . . . possibly . . . just might . . . be coming from . . . at least in part . . . for the sake of all the really rather extraordinary souls who have been responding to your initial post here at CAF . . . several of whom have expressed puzzlement and confusion as to your sharings . . . I did a little research on your willing choice, claiming and use of the term “theosophy” . . . researching both in the Catholic Encylopedia and in Wikipedia for material to share here . . . and in relation to your using the word “theosophy” . . .* among all of us here at CAF *. . . as part of your chosen preferred username . . . perhaps . . . I’m beginning to understand some of your expressed thoughts here on the thread . . . which actually don’t quite fit coming from a soul who’s formation has been solidly Christian/Catholic . . . could you please enlighten us as to exactly what your involvement is with “theosophy” . . . so that we might appropriately understand the foundation of your point of view . . . sincerely . . . if you are truly seeking answers to your questions . . .
Theosophy
**Theosophy, Theosophia, **(wisdom concerning God), is a term used in general to designate the knowledge of God supposed to be obtained by the direct intuition of the Divine essence. In method it differs from theology, which is the knowledge of God obtained by revelation, and from philosophy, which is the knowledge of Divine things acquired by human reasoning. It is often incorrectly confounded with mysticism … India is the home of all theosophic speculation. …
Theosophy is not only a basis of religion; it is also a philosophy of life. As such, its main teachings are reincarnation and the law of Karma. …
In spite of a Christian ethical phraseology, theosophy in reality is a form of pantheism, and denies a personal God and personal immortality. … No evidence or proof is given for its teaching except the simple statements of its leaders. The **denial of a personal God **nullifies its claim to be a spiritualistic philosophy. Judging it as presented by its own exponents, it appears to be a strange mixture of
  • mysticism,
  • charlatanism, and
  • thaumaturgic pretension
combined with an eager effort to express its teaching in words which reflect the atmosphere of Christian ethics and modern scientific truths.
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- John Driscoll
Catholic Encylopedia​
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:compcoff: Catholic Encylopedia Link: oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Theosophy
One of the . . . many . . . many . . . really profoundly disturbing realities of theosophy . . . that I personally really can’t bear to even lay eyes upon . . . is that they use a . . . reverse swastika . . . the horrific Nazi regime’s symbol/emblem . . . as their symbol/emblem on their theosophic society’s shield . . .

Gentle Sirach . . . I pray you won’t consider this post in the category of being “argumentative” . . . you’ve shared some wonderful food for thought on this thread . . . but the below portion of **Sacred :bible1: Scripture ** . . . God’s Holy Thoughts . . . kept hauntingly coming to mind in one form or another as you all have struggled to understand Psychotheosophy’s initial post and subsequent comments . . . *perhaps this post is . . . possibly . . . a fruit of contemplation . . . ? . . . *

:bible1:
Dearly beloved,
believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits if they be of God:
because many false prophets
are gone out into the world.
- I John 4:1

*Peace be with you all . . . *

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Sweet Holy Spirit+
. . . Wonderful Counselor of our Holy God+
. . . thank you Blessed Virgin Mary our Mother+
. . . thank you Holy Mother Church+
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Gentle Sirach . . . I pray you won’t consider this post in the category of being “argumentative” . . . you’ve shared some wonderful food for thought on this thread . . . but the below portion of **Sacred :bible1: Scripture **. . . God’s Holy Thoughts . . . kept hauntingly coming to mind in one form or another as you all have struggled to understand Psychotheosophy’s initial post and subsequent comments . . . *perhaps this post is . . . possibly . . . a fruit of contemplation . . . ? . . . *
No, I don’t consider it argumentative at all, but I’m very grateful that you have brought this to light for us. Thank you!

I noticed today in a separate new thread by the OP that another poster had problems understanding him also - AlanFromWichita. As I skimmed through that thread, I began to wonder if the OP was a foreigner and had problems using our language. But now that you have exposed some very serious aspects of his user name, I’m thinking his posts should not be here in Spirituality, but perhaps in Apologetics or nonchristian religions, where those of his ideology may be able to understand him better.

God bless you!
 
+*Thanks for sharing Sirach2 . . . *

I don’t know if any of the rest of you have ever run into the below term used in the quote from the Catholic Enclopedia article by John Driscoll . . . but it was a completely new one for me . . . 🤷 . . . taking to heart the counsel of God’s Holy :bible1: Word in 2 Timothy 2:15 . . . *“Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” . . . *when I found a moment of time I researched it . . . below are the definitions from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary . . . thought I’d share just in case any of the rest of you found this term a bit of an unknown too . . .

. . . :idea: . . .
**Main Entry: thau·ma·tur·gy **
Pronunciation: \ˈthȯ-mə-ˌtər-jē
Function: noun
Date: circa 1727
: the performance of miracles; specifically : magic
**Main Entry: thau·ma·tur·gic **
Pronunciation: \ˌthȯ-mə-ˈtər-jik
Function: adjective
Date: 1680
1 : performing miracles
2 : of, relating to, or dependent on thaumaturgy
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God bless . . .
. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Dear Lord our Wonderful Saviour+
. . . Dear Blessed Christ of our Holy God+
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No, I don’t consider it argumentative at all, but I’m very grateful that you have brought this to light for us. Thank you!

I noticed today in a separate new thread by the OP that another poster had problems understanding him also - AlanFromWichita. As I skimmed through that thread, I began to wonder if the OP was a foreigner and had problems using our language. But now that you have exposed some very serious aspects of his user name, I’m thinking his posts should not be here in Spirituality, but perhaps in Apologetics or nonchristian religions, where those of his ideology may be able to understand him better.

God bless you!
I for one am very grateful for the placement of this thread here in the Spirituality Forum. It has developed into a beautiful, informative discussion that has helped me a great deal.

Here we have a perfect illustration of something St. Paul wrote to the Romans (8:28): All things work together for good.

Betsy
 
Glad to see this thread is still bearing fruit 🙂

I’ve been away on vacation . . . rafting and hiking the Rockies with my family. But just had a few moments to check back in.

From atop the Continental Divide . . . peace to all. 🙂

Dave 🙂
 
. . . beholding the panoramic beauty and thinking fondly of the good souls reading here; I have a new found appreciation of “walking in the traces of God’s footsteps” (St. John of the Cross/Spiritual Canticle) 🙂

My best to all . . .

Dave 🙂
 
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