Prayer for deliverance from evil question

[Tis_Bearself]

I’m glad God “answered” you. Putting your mom in God’s hands is pretty much all you can do at this point. You need to trust in God to do the right thing for your mom.

As Padre Pio said, “Pray, hope, and don’t worry.”

 

[Shelion]

I took a break from politics a long time ago. I don’t discuss it even with my husband, as I asked him. When I mentioned leftist media it’s in the sense of the set of beliefs they endorse, contrary to mine - like euthanasia, abortion LGBT etc, and right now LGBT is attacking our country, brutally, including personal, physical attacks on priests and laypeople, so in this sense (like will this sexeducation get into schools in my city this septemper or not - that’s kind of not politics as my serious concern, even though I homeschool, it’s still troubling).

OP, you just suffered a grievous loss, and I don’t know exactly what went down between you and your mom, but it sounds like you needed her for support and it just didn’t happen.

That too, but there’s a lot more, and it’s a long history and the culmination was yesterday, the things she said, what she thinks of me and my family etc, it was just too much this time…

For the present, I would advise taking it easy, working on your own healing and not trying to fix the problems of the world while you’re in a weakened state.

Your instinct to want your mother’s salvation is totally fine, but you can’t be working yourself into a snit over it, either.

I’d agree, but the hardest part was after diagnose, and that was the end of January, and since then I’ve had a long time to heal, and expect the end of that particular journey with God given peace. I’m not strong, it’s not my strength at all. It was hard, yes, but I feel called to pray for my mother, psrticularly right now, and all of you gave me great and sound advice about it. So I am trying to take it easy. It was just particularly hard yesterday.

Pray, turn it over to God (Who loves her more than you do) and go on with your day.

I’m so sorry for your loss and will remember you on my prayers ray:t2:

You’re right, and thank you very much!

 

[Shelion]

As Padre Pio said, “Pray, hope, and don’t worry.”

That’s been my life motto since the first time I read it…

I’m glad God “answered” you.

If I may, why inverted comas around answered?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

If I may, why inverted comas around answered?

Because he didn’t talk to you in a booming voice, you’re instead interpreting an answer. Which is fine, but as TheLittleLady said, your mom’s free will plays something of a part in this.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Laypeople are not supposed to say a prayer “binding Satan” or “taking authority over all demonic assignments”. That is inappropriate and dangerous unless the person saying the prayer is a priest. We have just had at least two threads on this.

 

[Mary888]

What I am to do more than pray, offer suffering and perhaps fast? Can those prayers I mentioned help, or is it too much, and I should leave it to God?

Prayers help, that is why she is angry. Like a child being given medicine. Continue to pray but not pressure her directly maybe? Also dedicate it all to our Lord, live your life and put your family above this troubled friend. May you and your family be blessed!

 

[Tis_Bearself]

It doesn’t matter that you “prayed it many times before and nothing bad happened”. It’s against Catholic teaching for laypeople to directly address or directly deal with Satan or demons. You are endangering the spiritual health of other people.

 

[GiftofMercy]

So I am trying to take it easy. It was just particularly hard yesterday.

You are in my prayers as you grieve the loss of your child and pray for the conversion of your mother.
I have a couple of very special people I have been praying several years for their conversion. I let the people know I am praying for their conversion, if they want to talk more about God or the Church we do, if not, we don’t. I know people who prayed decades for conversions. One of the best stories was of a priest, in his own words ‘rebellious , delinquent, atheist’ before his conversion. Now a Priest.

 

[Michael16]

That’s beautiful, Gift. Thank you for sharing!

 

[Tis_Bearself]

When you post on a discussion thread, it’s fair game for anyone on the thread to answer. That is the purpose of a discussion thread. You should post with the expectation of getting a response from anybody on the forum, not just the OP.

If you want to have a private discussion with a person on the forum, then private messaging is the place for that, assuming the person is receptive to having a PM discussion with you.

 

[Michael16]

I agree with Tis. We, as laypeople; have to obey Holy Mother Church. If she says only priests can directly speak to the evil one; then we don’t talk to him directly. I pray deliverance prayers myself. But, these are prayers that are authorized for use by the laity.

 

[Shelion]

Because he didn’t talk to you in a booming voice, you’re instead interpreting an answer. Which is fine, but as TheLittleLady said, your mom’s free will plays something of a part in this.

Of course He didn’t! Neither do I experience locutions. However, perhaps it’s not part of English linguistic culture, perhaps it’s jsut our national trait, but this is here often called as God talking to us. Through His Word, and His priests etc. Particularly, when it’s more personal, and you feel it’s directed at you.
I also know very well, how my mom’s free will is important; I realize too, sad as it is, that according to Saint Faustina, some souls just reflect prayers - not sure of the word - mor like bounce back I guess. There was an example of that in her own life, and another I’m familiar with - Sain Charbel’s - when he prayed for a soul of dying man, but saw him entering hell… So. I do know. Makes it harder, but I must remain hopeful - that’s what’s yesterday’s story of the paralysed man told me.

I prayed that many times before and nothing bad happened. So, I decided to share it to others in need. Who knows, it may be effective for them. Peace!

Thank you vry much, I’m probably not brave enough, so I’ll follow the advice here above, and just pray for conversion.

Prayers help, that is why she is angry. Like a child being given medicine. Continue to pray but not pressure her directly maybe? Also dedicate it all to our Lord, live your life and put your family above this troubled friend. May you and your family be blessed!

God bless you! You might be right, one priest once told me that people with sick souls react angrily. I cannot pressure her directly, in fact, I don’t think I ever did… It was more like not hiding my faith, holy images on the wall, crucifix etc that made her feel bad at our home, though that was not all. When she asked, I answered, I countered unpleasant comments about faith etc, just mentioning God and Church was a problem. And as for now, she said, she won’t come anymore. Not for me, not for grandkids, gave her reasons, not much I can do here, when it’s the way it is, with the things she said, my husbands ban on contact, and the priest’s advice once to listen to my husband with regards to that situation…

You are in my prayers as you grieve the loss of your child and pray for the conversion of your mother.
I have a couple of very special people I have been praying several years for their conversion. I let the people know I am praying for their conversion, if they want to talk more about God or the Church we do, if not, we don’t. I know people who prayed decades for conversions. One of the best stories was of a priest, in his own words ‘rebellious , delinquent, atheist’ before his conversion. Now a Priest.

Thank you, that’s very encouraging. I need that. I’ll pray as long as it takes.

 

[Michael16]

Shelion, today in America is the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and I was thinking of you during Mass.

As I sometimes am, I was assaulted by the enemy as I took part in the Mass. I was moved to offer up these sufferings to God in your behalf and I made your intentions my intentions for Mass.

I also have some advice for you, dear sister. If I may offer it to you.

Consider Saint Benedict of Nursia please. He simply did his thing, living a holy life; in faith and didn’t worry about what the enemy would do to him. When confronted with difficulty; he would pray and trust God would provide the solution.

Please, sister; consider this great saint and pray to him for his intercession.

Please also consider Our Lady. Consider how she petitioned Her Son at the Wedding at Cana with humility and faith for the wedding party; commanding the servants: “ Do what He tells you. “

Just live a holy life, offer up your sufferings for your society and your mother; persist in prayer and have faith in our great and merciful God.

Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God; pray for us sinners; now and at the hour of our death. Amen

God bless you, sister.

 

[Shelion]

Shelion, today in America is the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and I was thinking of you during Mass.

As I sometimes am, I was assaulted by the enemy as I took part in the Mass. I was moved to offer up these sufferings to God in your behalf and I made your intentions my intentions for Mass.

Thank you so much! We have the same feast today in Poland, I offered the Holy Communion for my mom and 2 other family members - three persons (atheists) for Three Holy Persons.

Consider Saint Benedict of Nursia please.

Do you know that he is a patron saint of Europe? And my parish; I’ll ask for his help too; I often ask many or all Saints for help, Angels ans the souls and purgatory as well, and for some time the unborn who are in Heaven, that includes my babygirl too, though I don’t think she’s like a baby there… hmm.

Please also consider Our Lady

Always! She’s my mother…

Just live a holy life, offer up your sufferings for your society and your mother; persist in prayer and have faith in our great and merciful God.

I’m trying, God’s always first. And, all’s in His hands.
Thank you again for advice and kindness!

 

[TheLittleLady]

now LGBT is attacking our country, brutally, including personal, physical attacks on priests and laypeople,

Wow! I am surprised this has not been in the news, is it organized groups of gay people attacking priests and lay people?

 

[po18guy]

Some people’s speech is little more than belching. First, consider the source. As to spiritual warfare prayers, yes a lay person may (please!) employ them. “Resist the devil and he will flee from you” (James 4:7).

Demonic influence is constant and all around us. Yet, we have nothing to fear, for God is infinitely superior in all things. Yet, not all strange occurrences in life are of demonic cause.

If something is perceived as demonic, goes beyond demonic oppression, or if oppression is persistent, time to discuss the matter with a good and holy priest.

 

[Shelion]

Wow! I am surprised this has not been in the news, is it organized groups of gay people attacking priests and lay people?

I don’t find that surprising at all, unless you mean Catholic media, and I wouldn’t know which Catholic media is the most popular in your country, or state, or simply yours. I can link all the Polish media, but that would be of little use to you - just the pictures of some of the things.
But to elaborate a little, even if it’s off topic (although… we pray for them too, after all) - three priests attacked physically in Wrocław, Szczecin and Toruń. The first one was attacked with a knife, went to hospital, survived. One of the other two, didn’t want to give the attackers priestly robes (now my English fails me here), for the pretend gay marriage event, probably at the parade.
The verbal abuse is now much louder and hateful than before. It’s enough to be priest to be called pedophile.
You ask if it’s gay people, and organized - yes and no. Not always gay, or any other of the letters, it’s the activists, some people support them without being gay after all, radical feminists joined with them, enemies of the Church here, same thing. So for instance the people who now make leaflets and large posters about what is sex-education for kids according to WHO standards, have constantly their property destroyed and sometimes their volunteers attacked. There’s lot more than that right now. Started about half a year ago, I think. Particularly awful are attacks on the Church - holy images are profaned (“rainbows” added to Our Lady pictures), pride parades include sometimes (never before that) profanation of the other religious symbols, or of the Real Presence etc, obscenities are frequent… It’s never been public before…
Archbishop of Kraków (Cracow) Marek Jędraszewski made a homily on the LGBT movement on the 1st of August - the hate reaction of the radical left… strong, to say this delicately. We have picture from a gay club, where after the homily related events, a drag queen pretended to murder the archbishop and the public was laughing.
That’s the very incomplete picture. I gave some names, so anyone can try to find that in your media, perhaps there’s some mention.

I can recommend one person that is Polish - American, and works in some USA university - and wrote in English the report from Polish Białystok pride parade, where the provocation was and many people were arrested for trying to stop the parade. His name is (professor) Marek Jan Chodakiewicz. His most recent book is on Civilisation of Death, and it’s grueasome he says, but eye-opening (I’m not gonna read it, because I’m… too weak for details like he mentioned are in the book - I saw/heard his talk on YT).

 

[Shelion]

Demonic influence is constant and all around us. Yet, we have nothing to fear, for God is infinitely superior in all things. Yet, not all strange occurrences in life are of demonic cause.

If something is perceived as demonic, goes beyond demonic oppression, or if oppression is persistent, time to discuss the matter with a good and holy priest.

I have some hopes it’s not something worse than oppression, and I do realise we have a spiritual warfare. I’ll keep on the cautious side, in a way, no direct addressing of specific eveil spirits, but I’m gonna persist in prayer including as often as I can the saints that are particularly known for fighting them - St Archangel Michel, St Padre Pio, St John Vianney. But otherwise, I’ll follow the general advice here.
I will follow your advice in the aspect of talking to a priest about it as far as oppression goes, but… what can we do when she’d first would have to convert to think of either exorcism (that’s probably not necessary) or deliverance prayer.
As far as I know the Confession is the best exorcism if combined with sincere rejection of sin and satan, so that’s what’s best here, since it’s safer not to try exorcism yourself - prayer for conversion, am I right?

 

[Michael16]

You’re always welcome for the advice and kindness. Thank you for your words, sister.

I’m always happy to hear when someone regards Our Lady as their mother. I’m also glad you’re always putting God first. Always a great sign of living a holy life.

I’m proud to make friends with a woman from the homeland of three great saints: Saint Faustina Kowalska, Saint John Paul II and Saint Maximilian Kolbe.

It’s wowed me how Poland, even under Communism; stayed true to her Catholic faith. Maybe your family’s atheism comes from that dark time in Polish history?

I’m sorry to hear that things have gotten so bad in your country.

As for your concerns about spiritual warfare: I agree with po18guy.

Demonic influence is all around us; especially in the 21st century. Remember what the Holy Father Francis said: Think of the Church as a field hospital, a refuge; a place where our wounds are patched up and we go back into the fight.

Perhaps, if I’m permitted to use a metaphor from Polish history; that this time in Poland might be like the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1921: That the enemy has driven far into the heart of your country and another Miracle on the Vistula will happen that drives back the godless hordes.

Keep praying and I’d suggest to add prayers to Saint Benedict. He’s a powerful saint in times of spiritual warfare.

Always remember, dear sister: When in doubt: Always seek out and talk to a priest.

I agree with what you said about Confession. It is a form of exorcism. Whatever you confess to a priest in Confession; the devil can’t touch anymore.

 

[TK421]

(As a fun history anecdote: anybody is theoretically capable of performing an exorcism but for a variety of prudential reasons it has been restricted to priests for a long time.)

If a person doesn’t want to be prayed for in a public way, in my opinion, the request should be honored.

A person doesn’t have any right to tell another person who or what to pray for privately.

In a broad sense, everybody in the world is affected by demonic forces because we are tempted by them every day, just as we are strengthened by our angel and the graces of God every day. This happens whether we acknowledge it or not.

A person being a militant atheist doesn’t necessarily mean they are under demonic influence in a special way or that they are possessed. More than likely, they had some particularly negative experiences with religion in childhood and/or early childhood and this is causing them to lash out. A militant atheist isn’t necessarily a better or worse person than a lukewarm person. Sometimes the lukewarm person is worse.