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Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.

Mary is a member of what we would call the “church triumphant”, or the members of the Body of Christ in heaven. By this fact, she is perfectly formed to Christ, not to mention being a “just soul”. More over, she is Theotokos, or the God Bearer… It was she, that in this world was at the foot of the cross, she that pushed him to usher in his ministry at cana, she who was over shadowed by the Holy Spirit, she who has always had such a speacial connection to the Son.

Or in more direct language, you’re more likely to do something for your Mother than you are for me right?
 
I’m all for intercessory prayer. I’m just not for praying to someone other than God. let’s look at it this way.
The Bible tells us to pray to God. Therefore, in obedience to the word of God, I will pray to _____________. For me, I will fill the blank in with “God”. But what I’m understanding from many here is that they would fill in the blank with “God, Mary, St. Joseph, etc., etc., etc.”
(this quote has been shortened by me)

I understand your position and I agree… "But from the catholic point of view and doctrine
there are scriptures which indicate to us, that it is proper and correct to pray to others
living and dead for interecesion of our prayers.

I will just quote one here as the other main one is of one of the old testement books which most if not all non-catholic christians have decided to not allow as within their canon of scriptures.

I don’t know if you accept what is sometimes called “by scripture through Implication” or not. It is sort of a truth indicated in an indirect way. So let me try to explain this.
(I am not good at teaching)

St. John who wrote the books of what you call Revelations wrote in the fifth chapter
that he was taken up in a vision of heaven… and he looked in…
He saw God sitting on the Throne, he was the lamb who was slained for our sins,
He saw a woman, who some say now, is or is not Mary… but the main thing
he saw… was the past dead christians, in front of the Alter where God, Jesus and this woman was, (he does not name the woman) and these dead past christians who St. John
names as the “elders” of the church… had in their hands, bowls which contained the
prayers of the living christians and were offering these prayers along with incense…

Revelation 5:8 (New International Version)
8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

The Catholic Church takes that scene and feels it is with implication that our prayers can be offered to God through the christians who were here and are passed away are now able
to have our prayers and offer them to God…

This is one of the scriptures which give us this idea that we can pray to those who were in the same Body Of Christ as we are… and are not in their glorifed state… but that they do have knowledge of our prayers and present them to God.

Of course this might be a bit off topic… but I am certain that you are aware of those scriptures in the book of Roman where it teaches that we don’t even know what to pray
for and the Holy Ghost takes our prayers and changes the wording and He presents that to God…

Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmity. For we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit himself asketh for us with unspeakable groanings.

From scriptures I find that we can place our prayers with past christians. Mary being
one of them… and maybe as the Holy Spirit takes our prayers and changes our words
maybe these saints do too… So that what we should be praying about is what God hears
in the end… It might be a good thing that past saints, including Mary does have the ability to hear and present our prayers… they might get a better responce from them.

I think it is because Mary is a woman that many female christians find it good to
be able to go to her in prayer and have a little talk with her from a woman’s perspective.

And we believe that Jesus gave us an adoption into His family… and when he said
to Johh, Here is your mother! He was telling us too, that she was our mother…

and since we are taught from Scriptures that we can pray to past christians of the church… it includes her too. So we see it as something we can do… and use.

I think many catholic christians need to focus on some better doctrine books of the Catholic chruch instead of what they “feel” or “believe” about Mary and have formed their own conclusions from those means.

She certainly is more to the faith than what most non-catholic christians believe and understand but far less than what “some” catholics believe and understand.

Your questions and comments are ideal to bring this subject out in the open… where
others can voice their views where as it starts a good foundation for the truth of Mary
to come out from both objectives. Which is to learn of Mary as she is to and for the
faith. in and through the Mystical Body of Christ… and from within the Kingdom of
God which we all are in… Those members who are here and those who were here
but are still alive on the other side of what we know as reality here and now.

In the end, this whole concept can be something really wonderful that God has given
to us to use… We catholics know that the prayers directed to certain past saints of
our faith, have been effective. As we have the knowledge of how these prayers have
been answered through some wonderful Miracles.

You might google: St. Solantis Casey… on the internet and read about him…
he was a Friar who lived here in the united states and died in the late 1950’s.
He has been credited with many wonderful healings from people who have’
requested his intercession for their needs through prayer to him.
 
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Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.

Mary is a member of what we would call the “church triumphant”, or the members of the Body of Christ in heaven. By this fact, she is perfectly formed to Christ, not to mention being a “just soul”. More over, she is Theotokos, or the God Bearer… It was she, that in this world was at the foot of the cross, she that pushed him to usher in his ministry at cana, she who was over shadowed by the Holy Spirit, she who has always had such a speacial connection to the Son.
I, apart from being Jesus’ brother, am His mother and sister as well. Therefore, if I am His mother as well, how is Mary more special? All Christians take His cross everyday, therefore we suffer with Him, just as you say Mary suffered. All Christians spread the good news; and we are not just merely pushing it, as you say Mary did, but we spread it. We too have received the Holy Spirit and have been born again in Him. We also have a special connection to the Lord… we are born in Him after all. I don’t see why Mary had more “privileges” than we have.
Or in more direct language, you’re more likely to do something for your Mother than you are for me right?
I agree with that. But I am His mother as well… brother and sister. Therefore, what He is willing to do for (or because of) Mary, He is willing to do for (or because of) me as well.
 
I, apart from being Jesus’ brother, am His mother and sister as well. Therefore, if I am His mother as well, how is Mary more special? All Christians take His cross everyday, therefore we suffer with Him, just as you say Mary suffered. All Christians spread the good news; and we are not just merely pushing it, as you say Mary did, but we spread it. We too have received the Holy Spirit and have been born again in Him. We also have a special connection to the Lord… we are born in Him after all. I don’t see why Mary had more “privileges” than we have.

I agree with that. But I am His mother as well… brother and sister. Therefore, what He is willing to do for (or because of) Mary, He is willing to do for (or because of) me as well.
It’s rather presumptious for anyone to call them selves just…

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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I certainly hope that’s not what you’re getting at… I also certainly hope you don’t beleive that you may as well have been the bearer of God instead of Mary… Thus minimizing Mary’s role in the economy of salvation. She didn’t say “all generations will be called blessed because I gave birth to Christ, but really it could have been anyone” after all.
 
It’s rather presumptious for anyone to call them selves just…

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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I certainly hope that’s not what you’re getting at… I also certainly hope you don’t beleive that you may as well have been the bearer of God instead of Mary… Thus minimizing Mary’s role in the economy of salvation. She didn’t say “all generations will be called blessed because I gave birth to Christ, but really it could have been anyone” after all.
Am I not a bearer of God as well? Do I not bear God in my heart?

So… it’s sin to call yourself sinless, but it is not sin to call others sinless?
 
Am I not a bearer of God as well? Do I not bear God in my heart?

So… it’s sin to call yourself sinless, but it is not sin to call others sinless?
No, you are not the Theotokos I’m afraid to say, you’ve mis-interpeted scripture.
48 “Who is my mother?”… This was not spoken by way of slighting his mother, but to shew that we are never to suffer ourselves to be taken from the service of God, by any inordinate affection to our earthly parents: and that which our Lord chiefly regarded in his mother, was her doing the will of his Father in heaven. It may also further allude to the reprobation of the Jews, his carnal kindred, and the election of the Gentiles.
You are not God Bearer, even though you are made in his image and likeness and no doubt received the Spirit in Baptism. Only the Virgin Mary is God Bearer.
 
Am I not a bearer of God as well? Do I not bear God in my heart?

So… it’s sin to call yourself sinless, but it is not sin to call others sinless?
Cristian, I think part of the problem here is that the word “bear” has different meanings. Mary “bore” Jesus - the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and Jesus was conceived inside Mary. She carried God incarnate inside her womb for nine months and she gave birth to God incarnate.

The word “bear” also means to carry in a way that is different from women “bearing” children.

Christians do bear God within their hearts, but certainly not in the sense that Mary did. Mary carried (and carries) God both within her heart and within her womb. There is a huge difference there. Mary was pure. She did not sin. Jesus was conceived in a holy, pure vessel - Mary.

None of us on earth are as pure as Mary was her entire life. None of us should make the claim that we are sinless and have never sinned. But Mary was sinless and never sinned, which is truly appropriate as she bore the Christ inside her.

God loves us all. Jesus loves us all. The Holy Spirit loves us all. But Mary had (and has) a very special, unique role because of the special circumstances of her life and the mission she agreed to carry out - that of bearing Jesus in her heart and in her womb. That is why she is called “Mother of God.”
 
Cristian, I think part of the problem here is that the word “bear” has different meanings. Mary “bore” Jesus - the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and Jesus was conceived inside Mary. She carried God incarnate inside her womb for nine months and she gave birth to God incarnate.

The word “bear” also means to carry in a way that is different from women “bearing” children.

Christians do bear God within their hearts, but certainly not in the sense that Mary did. Mary carried (and carries) God both within her heart and within her womb. There is a huge difference there. Mary was pure. She did not sin. Jesus was conceived in a holy, pure vessel - Mary.

None of us on earth are as pure as Mary was her entire life. None of us should make the claim that we are sinless and have never sinned. But Mary was sinless and never sinned, which is truly appropriate as she bore the Christ inside her.

God loves us all. Jesus loves us all. The Holy Spirit loves us all. But Mary had (and has) a very special, unique role because of the special circumstances of her life and the mission she agreed to carry out - that of bearing Jesus in her heart and in her womb. That is why she is called “Mother of God.”
I believe Mary sinned, therefore calling myself “mother of Christ” is not calling myself sinless.
 
Can you prove that?
I, without doubt believe that you already gave your ‘proof’ of Mary’s supposed sinlessness, but, unfortunately I do not have the necessary time to search for it (doing homework). May you please post the most important ‘proofs’ you’ve got for your belief again (if you wish)? If not, then please tell me at least in what post in this thread are they posted.
 
I believe Mary sinned, therefore calling myself “mother of Christ” is not calling myself sinless.
Did you carry Jesus in your womb for nine months? Did you give birth to Him, going through the contractions and pain that giving birth entails? Did He suckle at your breasts? Did you raise Him up from an infant to adulthood?

If you didn’t, you are not like Mary and to equate yourself with her just doesn’t make sense to me. If you really believe that you carried Jesus in your womb and did all these other things for Jesus, then I really wonder.

Mary is blessed. The reason she is blessed is that she accepted the role God wanted her to accept - that of carrying Jesus in her womb and raising Him to adulthood. She did this even though she could legally have been killed by being stoned (for adultery).

Her role is unique. The rest of us have roles, also, but they are not the same. There can only be one “Mother of God.” We can be “mothers of God”, as you have typed it, but there is a difference. Mary did these things both physically and spiritually. We can only do these things spiritually.
 
I, without doubt believe that you already gave your ‘proof’ of Mary’s supposed sinlessness, but, unfortunately I do not have the necessary time to search for it (doing homework). May you please post the most important ‘proofs’ you’ve got for your belief again (if you wish)? If not, then please tell me at least in what post in this thread are they posted.
Actually, I haven’t even approched that subject yet 🙂 I’ve only discussed intercessorary prayer, the axiom that if you pray an intercessorary prayer you are by definintion an intercessor, the fact that the bible most certainly does not contain the complete word of God, brushed on the fact that the Church is the ultimate authority in faith and morals… And maybe a couple other topics.
 
I, without doubt believe that you already gave your ‘proof’ of Mary’s supposed sinlessness, but, unfortunately I do not have the necessary time to search for it (doing homework). May you please post the most important ‘proofs’ you’ve got for your belief again (if you wish)? If not, then please tell me at least in what post in this thread are they posted.
The answer of proof is in God’s Word:
Romans 3:23
“for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” No one is sinless except Jesus Christ. Yes, Mary was blessed above all women as the vessel to bring Jesus into this world, but nowhere in the Bible do we see her worshipped. Worship is for God alone.
She is not the queen of heaven - there is no queen in heaven (if so, show me - in God’s Word - not man’s doctrinal interpretation).And by the way… Jeremiah 7:18 “queen of heaven” is talking about "Asherah - a pagan goddess - not Mary.
Matter of fact… the only command Mary gave was at the wedding feast: “whater He says (meaning Jesus), do it”.
Why is it that we are not satisfied with worshipping God alone? Why do we need to bring Mary (or any one else for that matter) to such reverence?
And while we are at it, I can’t conceive why we need to pray to anyone other than God for our needs. I keep hearing to "pray to this saint… pray to that saint… pray to Mary…
I will stand on two principle scriptures:
In John chapter 16, we are told to pray to God the Father (in the name of Jesus). Jesus Himself said to pray not to Him, but to the Father (this is confirmed in the Lord’s Prayer) only. And as far as intercessor or mediator, the Bible says we have ONE (that is Jesus) and a comforter (the Holy Spirit). You can pray to whoever you want, but MY bible says:
Psalm 121: 1,2
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
From where shall my help come?
My help comes from the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.
 
The answer of proof is in God’s Word:
Romans 3:23
“for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” No one is sinless except Jesus Christ.

Dear mdifrancesco,

If you take this verse literally, then you will have to say that Jesus is a sinner, too, since the verse says all have sinned. It does not say all have sinned except Jesus.

When we look at a verse, we have to look at what the verse is intending to say. This verse you quoted is not talking about Mary. It is talking about the general sinfulness of humanity.

If you look at Luke 1:28 in the Latin translation, it says that the Angel Gabriel greeted Mary saying she is “full of grace.” **Can she be full of grace and yet a sinner? **
 
The answer of proof is in God’s Word:
Romans 3:23
“for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” No one is sinless except Jesus Christ. Yes, Mary was blessed above all women as the vessel to bring Jesus into this world, but nowhere in the Bible do we see her worshipped. Worship is for God alone.
She is not the queen of heaven - there is no queen in heaven (if so, show me - in God’s Word - not man’s doctrinal interpretation).And by the way… Jeremiah 7:18 “queen of heaven” is talking about "Asherah - a pagan goddess - not Mary.
Matter of fact… the only command Mary gave was at the wedding feast: “whater He says (meaning Jesus), do it”.
Why is it that we are not satisfied with worshipping God alone? Why do we need to bring Mary (or any one else for that matter) to such reverence?
And while we are at it, I can’t conceive why we need to pray to anyone other than God for our needs. I keep hearing to "pray to this saint… pray to that saint… pray to Mary…
I will stand on two principle scriptures:
In John chapter 16, we are told to pray to God the Father (in the name of Jesus). Jesus Himself said to pray not to Him, but to the Father (this is confirmed in the Lord’s Prayer) only. And as far as intercessor or mediator, the Bible says we have ONE (that is Jesus) and a comforter (the Holy Spirit). You can pray to whoever you want, but MY bible says:
Psalm 121: 1,2
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
From where shall my help come?
My help comes from the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.
As stated before, prayer does not always equal worship. If look up the word prayer in the dictionary, you can see it can mean praying to / worshiping a deity or ask for something (not necessarily a god):

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prayer

The Catholic Church does not say Mary (or any saint) should be worshiped like God. When I pray to Mary (for example, saying the Hail Mary), I am asking her to pray to Jesus for me.
 
I believe Mary sinned, therefore calling myself “mother of Christ” is not calling myself sinless.
Dear Cristian,

Your belief that Mary sinned is, in my opinion, excusable, considering your religious background. But I do wish there is a possibility that you might change your mind and heart. I pray that one day you will come to know Mary as the most humble obedient pure handmaid of God, who deserves our deepest gratitude and love because of what God has done for her and through her. One day you will meet her. I do hope by then, you will not say to her that she is just a sinner like yourself.
 
The answer of proof is in God’s Word:
Romans 3:23
“for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” No one is sinless except Jesus Christ. Yes, Mary was blessed above all women as the vessel to bring Jesus into this world, but nowhere in the Bible do we see her worshipped. Worship is for God alone.
She is not the queen of heaven - there is no queen in heaven (if so, show me - in God’s Word - not man’s doctrinal interpretation).And by the way… Jeremiah 7:18 “queen of heaven” is talking about "Asherah - a pagan goddess - not Mary.
Matter of fact… the only command Mary gave was at the wedding feast: “whater He says (meaning Jesus), do it”.
Why is it that we are not satisfied with worshipping God alone? Why do we need to bring Mary (or any one else for that matter) to such reverence?
And while we are at it, I can’t conceive why we need to pray to anyone other than God for our needs. I keep hearing to "pray to this saint… pray to that saint… pray to Mary…
I will stand on two principle scriptures:
In John chapter 16, we are told to pray to God the Father (in the name of Jesus). Jesus Himself said to pray not to Him, but to the Father (this is confirmed in the Lord’s Prayer) only. And as far as intercessor or mediator, the Bible says we have ONE (that is Jesus) and a comforter (the Holy Spirit). You can pray to whoever you want, but MY bible says:
Psalm 121: 1,2
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
From where shall my help come?
My help comes from the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.
Of course Paul was quoting Psalm 14 or 52 in the Sept:

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1 Unto the end, for Maeleth, understandings to David. The fool said in his heart: There is no God. 2 They are corrupted, and become abominable in iniquities: there is none that doth good. 3 God looked down from heaven on the children of men: to see if there were any that did understand, or did seek God. 4 All have gone aside, they are become unprofitable together, there is none that doth good, no not one. 5 Shall not all the workers of iniquity know, who eat up my people as they eat bread?
6 They have not called upon God: there have they trembled for fear, where there was no fear. For God hath scattered the bones of them that please men: they have been confounded, because God hath despised them. 7 Who will give out of Sion the salvation of Israel? when God shall bring back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
From the NAB:
usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm14.htm
1
1 For the leader. Of David. 2 Fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is right.
2
The LORD looks down from heaven upon the human race, To see if even one is wise, if even one seeks God.
3
All have gone astray; all alike are perverse. Not one does what is right, not even one.
4
Will these evildoers never learn? They devour my people as they devour bread; they do not call upon the LORD.
5
They have good reason, then, to fear; God is with the company of the just.
6
They would crush the hopes of the poor, but the poor have the LORD as their refuge.
7
3 Oh, that from Zion might come the deliverance of Israel, That Jacob may rejoice, and Israel be glad when the LORD restores his people!
Even in the source for Pauls quotation, God isn’t saying literally no one on earth has never commited a personal sin. He’s talking about the fools who say in their heart, there is no God.
 
mdifrancesco;6273993The answer of proof is in God’s Word: Romans 3:23 “for [B said:
ALL[/B] have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” No one is sinless except Jesus Christ. Yes, Mary was blessed above all women as the vessel to bring Jesus into this world, but nowhere in the Bible do we see her worshipped. Worship is for God alone.
She is not the queen of heaven - there is no queen in heaven (if so, show me - in God’s Word - not man’s doctrinal interpretation).And by the way… Jeremiah 7:18 “queen of heaven” is talking about "Asherah - a pagan goddess - not Mary.
Matter of fact… the only command Mary gave was at the wedding feast: “whater He says (meaning Jesus), do it”.
Why is it that we are not satisfied with worshipping God alone? Why do we need to bring Mary (or any one else for that matter) to such reverence?
And while we are at it, I can’t conceive why we need to pray to anyone other than God for our needs. I keep hearing to "pray to this saint… pray to that saint… pray to Mary…
I will stand on two principle scriptures:
In John chapter 16, we are told to pray to God the Father (in the name of Jesus). Jesus Himself said to pray not to Him, but to the Father (this is confirmed in the Lord’s Prayer) only. And as far as intercessor or mediator, the Bible says we have ONE (that is Jesus) and a comforter (the Holy Spirit). You can pray to whoever you want, but MY bible says:
Psalm 121: 1,2
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains;
From where shall my help come?
My help comes from the LORD,
Who made heaven and earth.

I had to reduce your font size. It was making my eyes hurt. Sorry.

I am confused here. First you interpret Scripture (when you presented Romans 3:23 then added on that part about Jesus not sinning. According to the passage you provided, Jesus sinned also). Then you say that we must not use interpretation. Why is it OK for you to interpret but not Catholics?

Catholics do not worship Mary as God. Catholics do not worship Mary as a god. To do so would be going against the First Commandment.

Prayer is not the same as worship. And nobody is saying that you have to pray to Mary or the saints, or to God for that matter. You can pray to whomever you wish. God gave us free will - that’s what free will is. Catholics who pray to Mary believe that prayer to Mary and the saints is appropriate and good.

As far as intercession goes, whenever anyone prays for anyone else they are acting as an intercessor. That includes anyone here, alive on earth. If I ask you to pray for me, I am asking you to intercede for me.
 
Dear mdifrancesco,

If you take this verse literally, then you will have to say that Jesus is a sinner, too, since the verse says all have sinned. It does not say all have sinned except Jesus.

When we look at a verse, we have to look at what the verse is intending to say. This verse you quoted is not talking about Mary. It is talking about the general sinfulness of humanity.

If you look at Luke 1:28 in the Latin translation, it says that the Angel Gabriel greeted Mary saying she is “full of grace.” **Can she be full of grace and yet a sinner? **
So let us look at the verse… The verse talks about the righteousness of GOD through faith in JESUS for all those who believe. Obviously he is talking about everyone BUT God / Jesus (since that is his topic) if you read this thoroughly:
Romans 3:22-24
"even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
As far as can she be full of grace AND be a sinner, please read this scripture…
Acts 6:8
“And Stephen, FULL OF GRACE and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.”
Was Stephen now also without sin? Absolutely not!
Please understand I am not out to bash anyone’s belief system. I am just a firm believer that God’s Word is truth and the truth will set you free…
 
I had to reduce your font size. It was making my eyes hurt. Sorry.

I am confused here. First you interpret Scripture (when you presented Romans 3:23 then added on that part about Jesus not sinning. According to the passage you provided, Jesus sinned also). Then you say that we must not use interpretation. Why is it OK for you to interpret but not Catholics?

Catholics do not worship Mary as God. Catholics do not worship Mary as a god. To do so would be going against the First Commandment.

Prayer is not the same as worship. And nobody is saying that you have to pray to Mary or the saints, or to God for that matter. You can pray to whomever you wish. God gave us free will - that’s what free will is. Catholics who pray to Mary believe that prayer to Mary and the saints is appropriate and good.

As far as intercession goes, whenever anyone prays for anyone else they are acting as an intercessor. That includes anyone here, alive on earth. If I ask you to pray for me, I am asking you to intercede for me.
Jesus did NOT sin. Please read my comment that I made recently addressing that same question. The passage is speaking OF God and Jesus to everyone else (I have it listed in my last response).
And as for Mary being a sinner (and again, we are talking original sin - not a SINNER),
Mary even acknowledged that she needed a Savior. “And my spirit rejoices in God my SAVIOUR, for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed” (Luke 1:47-48). Mary knew that she was a sinner and that what was being done through her was by God’s grace and not any merit on her part. God did not choose Mary because of her “blessedness,” Mary became blessed when she submitted unto the LORD and carried the Lamb of God. (only sinners need saviours)

Now I am confused about you stating that prayer is not like worship. Please go to dictionary.com and you will find this definition:
PRAYER - to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, etc., to (God or an object of worship).
I believe that is close enough of an interpretation as i need to make my point. God does not share His glory with ANYONE:
Exodus 34:14
“for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God”
And for the intercession… I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, however, the intercession I speak of leans more to MEDIATOR:
The word “mediator,” which is found in six places in the New Testament comes from a Greek word that means; an action by someone on behalf of another in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant, a medium of communication, arbitrator or what we would call an intercessor.
Mediators are knowledgeable and trained in the areas they mediate. Jesus has the qualifications:
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance – now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant" (Hebrews 9:15).
Jesus alone has the credtials to mediate for us. And yes, we can all pray for one another, but calling on people who are dead to intecede… please show me that in scripture.

Sorry about the font size. I just got yelled at from someone else who said it was too small!
 
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