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raumzeitmc2
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This is not exactly my idea of a “debate!”
But at any rate my friend, would ya please just answer the question: Is your interpretation of the bible the only one allowed?
Yes or no?
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But at any rate my friend, would ya please just answer the question: Is your interpretation of the bible the only one allowed?
Yes or no?
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Vile_Servant
Guest
Give him a break. These questions are too hard for him to answer! I asked him a simple question about soul sleep, all he had to answer was “yes” or “no”, yet he said he couldn’t answer it!
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raumzeitmc2
Guest
Maybe our friend just needs a little Joy!Give him a break. These questions are too hard for him to answer! I asked him a simple question about soul sleep, all he had to answer was “yes” or “no”, yet he said he couldn’t answer it!
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Vile_Servant
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mebbe our friend needs to read up more about the lives of the Saints, then he will understand the truths of the Catholic faith more deeply.
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raumzeitmc2
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Might start with Saint Teresa of Avila, who speaks ofmebbe our friend needs to read up more about the lives of the Saints, then he will understand the truths of the Catholic faith more deeply.
“… those unhappy heretics, who wilfully blind themselves and argue that the path they follow is good, believing it to be so, yet without real belief in it because they have something inside them that tells them that it is wrong.”
The life of Saint Teresa of Avila by herself, p. 52.
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Zooey
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OK, I get it now. You
don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God .Otherwise you would know that Jesus Christ is ETERNAL. He is God, yean.Ye must needs wrap your mind around that fact.
The fact that Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven. Its in the Gospels. Its in Acts.
Might be a good idea to read the Bible before you try to “debate with Scripture”.
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Prodigal_Son1
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See, this is what I found confusing. I didn’t know you were changing topics. I thought you somehow were tieing rewards in with praying to saints, or the infant Jesus, because your question was posted within a response to that topic. It’s now clear, with your references to purgatory/hell, that you were changing topics totally.
You’ll come to understand that the people here are willing to discuss any topic if you wish to start a thread for each topic. It’s not only confusing, it’s unfair, to go to what appears to be next on a list of objections without acknowledging the explanations given on the current topic.
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Vile_Servant
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Prodigal Son1,
The reason why MeekandHumble changed topics is because he believes that all souls will only be rewarded at the Last Judgement, and thereafter go to heaven or hell (doctrine of “soul sleep”). Therefore he believes that there are currently NO saints in heaven, and therefore he does not believe that anyone should pray to the saints. That’s why I asked him whether he believed in soul-sleep, a question which he has refused to answer.
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raumzeitmc2
Guest
Just a note regarding prayer to the infant Jesus:
Centuries before this devotion to the Child Jesus arose (as we now know it), Origen said (3 versions):
“Therefore, that we too, standing in the temple and holding and embracing the Son of God, might be worthy of forgiveness and progressing to better things, for this let us pray to almighty God; let us also pray to the infant Jesus himself whom we long to hold in our arms and talk to.”
Origen, spirit and fire: a thematic anthology of his writings, Origen, Hans Urs von Balthasar, p. 254.
“Oremus et ipsum parvulum Jesum, quem alloqui et tenere desideramus in brachiis” [Let us pray also to the child Jesus himself, whom we desire to address and hold in our arms].
History and spirit: the understanding of scripture according to Origen, Henri de Lubacnote, note 76, p. 64
“Let us pray to God, the all-powerful, and to the little Jesus himself, whom we so much want to speak to and hold in our arms.”
From these sources.
More on this devotion:
Child Jesus.
Infant Jesus of Prague.
Centuries before this devotion to the Child Jesus arose (as we now know it), Origen said (3 versions):
“Therefore, that we too, standing in the temple and holding and embracing the Son of God, might be worthy of forgiveness and progressing to better things, for this let us pray to almighty God; let us also pray to the infant Jesus himself whom we long to hold in our arms and talk to.”
Origen, spirit and fire: a thematic anthology of his writings, Origen, Hans Urs von Balthasar, p. 254.
“Oremus et ipsum parvulum Jesum, quem alloqui et tenere desideramus in brachiis” [Let us pray also to the child Jesus himself, whom we desire to address and hold in our arms].
History and spirit: the understanding of scripture according to Origen, Henri de Lubacnote, note 76, p. 64
“Let us pray to God, the all-powerful, and to the little Jesus himself, whom we so much want to speak to and hold in our arms.”
From these sources.
More on this devotion:
Child Jesus.
Infant Jesus of Prague.
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mariahloves
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Wasn’t Jesus God during every stage of his life?
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Zooey
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:sad_yes:Prodigal Son1,
The reason why MeekandHumble changed topics is because he believes that all souls will only be rewarded at the Last Judgement, and thereafter go to heaven or hell (doctrine of “soul sleep”). Therefore he believes that there are currently NO saints in heaven, and therefore he does not believe that anyone should pray to the saints. That’s why I asked him whether he believed in soul-sleep, a question which he has refused to answer.
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