No, because the creeds are just concise re-statements of biblical doctrine.
Which Sabbath? Jewish or Christian?
some of the history is bad because the Church has a human element…
Please read the following threads that already address this question:
Y’know, I was actually trying to HELP you. Yet I have a feeling from your reply above that you didn’t even bother to check all of the links provided. Because some of them are articles that answer your question quite nicely, and since they are articles, they are not threads that go off topic. But since you seem unaware of that, it looks like you didn’t bother to read them.
I am glad that one of the articles was helpful. Usually these kinds of questions, I have found, are answered pretty well in the Ask the Apologist section of CAF.
Notice that the quote in the original post in this thread is saying that there can only be one positive pro-Mormon outcome, because a negative outcome would prove the Book of Mormon false.
I don’t suppose anybody wants to ‘pray’ over anything, since putting ‘pray’ in quotes indicates a large degree of doubt that prayer is what is meant when “pray” is used. However, I do believe that Catholics–and everybody else, for that matter, would pray (no quotes) whenever they want to know anything pertaining to religious truth. NOT praying is something the bible is rather against.
By your definition, a Christian can pray over the Koran and conclude that it is the Truth. A Christian can pray over the Upanishads and conclude that they are the Truth.
Uhmn…not quite.
By my definition, anybody can pray about anything that purports to be scripture, and God will guide him or her to know the truth of it. If, that is, there is any truth in it. What, don’t you trust God to tell you if something is true or not?
A Christian should be constantly praying about everything. Always. We are to pray for our daily bread…to forgive us our sins…to deliver us from evil…doesn’t that cover everything? Are you afraid that He might tell you to do something you don’t want to do, or to listen to something you don’t want to hear, so you don’t ASK?
By my definition, anybody can pray about anything that purports to be scripture, and God will guide him or her to know the truth of it. If, that is, there is any truth in it. What, don’t you trust God to tell you if something is true or not?
Are you implying that Truth is relative? How do you explain it if one individual believes he or she is led by God to an understanding that the Book of Mormon is correct and that another individual is led by God to an understanding that it is false? How do you reconcile this?
That’s not 'leaning unto thy own understanding." That’s worse. That’s active distrust of God.
The point is, do YOU have faith that God would tell you the truth about something? or is it that you are afraid He MIGHT tell you that the Book of Mormon is true?
For ANY Christian, the Book of Mormon is a false scripture. And it is neither biblical nor does it come from any Church tradition. It was created through the process of “automatic writing”.
The point is, you have to ask with some faith; that is, faith that God won’t steer you wrong. Don’t you have that?
Re-read my answer above.
A Christian should be constantly praying about everything. Always. We are to pray for our daily bread…to forgive us our sins…to deliver us from evil…doesn’t that cover everything? Are you afraid that He might tell you to do something you don’t want to do, or to listen to something you don’t want to hear, so you don’t ASK?
Now THAT is ‘leaning unto your own understanding,’ indeed.
I ask God about things all the time. If the answer I get is not in conformity with my Catholic Faith, then it is wrong.
There is also this: I haven’t read all of the books you mention here, but I have read the Koran, and as far as I remember there is no verse in it that challenges the reader to ask God if it is true or not. I don’t THINK that any of the other books you mention have that challenge, either. However, the Book of Mormon does. Frankly, I think that takes a lot of chutspah, asking the reader to go directly to the Source of all truth to get guidance about these things, and it also seems to me that those who are afraid to TAKE that challenge lack faith.
The ‘source’ of all Truth is Christ and what He revealed in the Bible, and His Church, as well as the Holy Spirit. There is no other ‘source’.
I don’t get it, personally. I don’t think that God would lie to you, or me, or anyone. I believe that those who are afraid to DO this, and give it an honest chance, are denying Him.
Example: it is very simple for me to understand that it is not the Holy Spirit that convinces a Catholic to leave the Church for another Christian denomination or nonChristian religion.
Do I believe that everybody who prays about the Book of Mormon gets a “Go Join the Mormons” answer? No. But I’ll tell you this: anybody who prays about the Book of Mormon and thinks he gets an answer that there is no truth in it is fooling himself, because the Book of Mormon, even if it were a complete piece of fiction, is more moral, less violent, and more Christ centered than any other book on the planet–right up there with the New Testament.
I don’t know what Book of Mormon you’ve read but it doesn’t sound like the one I read. then again, you are probably biased and read into it what you want to.
…and those who simply refuse to take that challenge and pray because 'Christians don’t need to do that…" has absolutely no idea what being a person of faith…a CHRISTIAN of faith…is. A Christian who is afraid to ask God to reveal truth to him is a Christian in name only: for he has no faith.
And again, a Catholic Christian has the full body of the Faith and does not need to “pray over” the Book of Mormon, or ask God if it is authentic. He already knows that it isn’t.