Praying the Hail Mary

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I often notice the same thing.
I have to repeat things over and over and over.
Sad part is most times they never get it.
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Well, you have to be teaching accurately, to start with, or else the student will never get it, no matter how much you repeat yourself. 😉
 
The prayer to Mary puts something before God
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I see. Did the Israelites asking Moses for help put Moses before God?

Furthermore, half of the Hail Mary is about Jesus. “Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.” About Mary. “Blessed are thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.” About Jesus. “Holy Mary, mother of God,” about Mary, “pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of hour deaths,” asking to intercede on behalf of Jesus.
 
misslollipops said:
I don’t know what you mean by trolling.
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Trying to “teach” by pretending to be ignorant, and asking “leading questions” to “troll” or pull them towards your point of view. (It’s considered bad manners to be a troll on the Internet. Trolls usually get banned pretty quickly.)
 
Here is an excerpt from the scriptural rosary in which we read a passage of scripture related to the mystery before each Hail Mary.

THE ANNUNCIATION

Our Father…(said in full, of course)
  1. The Angel Gabriel was sent from God…to a Virgin betrothed to a man, named Joseph, of the House of David. The
    Virgin’s name was Mary. *(Lk. 1: 26) *- Hail Mary…
  2. The angel said to Her: *Rejoice O highly favoured daughter! The Lord is with You. Blessed are You among women. (Lk. 1: 28) *- Hail Mary…
  3. She was deeply trouble by his words, and wondered what his greeting meant. *(Lk. 1: 29) *- Hail Mary…
  4. The angel said to Her: Do not fear, Mary. You have found favour with God. (Lk. 1: 30) - Hail Mary…
  5. You shall conceive and bear a Son and give Him the name of Jesus. (Lk. 1: 31) - Hail Mary…
  6. *Great will be His dignity and He will be called Son of the Most High. And His reign will be without end. *(Lk. 1: 34) - Hail Mary…
  7. Mary said to the angel, How can this be since I do not know man? (Lk. 1: 34) - Hail Mary…
  8. The angel answered Her: The Holy Spirit will come upon You and the power of the Most High will overshadow You. (Lk. 1: 35) - Hail Mary…
  9. The holy offspring to be born will be called Son of God. (Lk. 1: 35) - Hail Mary…
  10. Mary said: I* am the servant of the Lord. Let it be done to Me as you say. *With that the angel left Her. *(Lk. 1: 38) *- Hail Mary…
The second decade is THE VISITATION…and so on.

Now, Miss, you see how Catholics can pack a LOT of scripture study into the recitation of the rosary.

Sorry your own experience was so unfulfilling.
 
Was Moses alive in the verses you are refering to?
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Absolutely. Mary is also alive now.

Remember when God says he’s God of the living, not the dead? The people in Heaven are more alive than they were on Earth. Their prayers are offered to God as a tribute in Rev. 5:8.
 
misslollipops said:
Was Moses alive in the verses you are refering to?
Which are you refering to anyway?
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The Israelites never prayed directly to God when they were on their journey out of Egypt to go to the Promised Land. They always asked Moses to pray on their behalf.
 
Here’s a story you’re obviously familiar with.

In Exodus 32, the Israelites, having just received the Ten Commandments from their liberator, have already fallen into apostasy. They worshipped a molten calf (32:4), the sin of idolatry, breaking the First Commandment. God tells Moses that “[his] wrath may be kindled against them, and that I may destroy them, and I will make of thee a great nation.” (32:10). Moses then beseeches God, and begs him to spare the Israelites (32:11). God then relents his anger.

This story shows that God’s servant, Moses, persuaded Him to forgive the sins of Israel. Ultimately, this is paralleled by the modern Catholic Church, in that we ask St. Mary to pray for us in Heaven. The Hail Mary, all-in-all, is basically “thank you Mary for bearing Jesus. Pray for us, as you did for Jesus.”
 
Randy_Carson said:
Here is an excerpt from the scriptural rosary in which we read a passage of scripture related to the mystery before each Hail Mary.
  1. The angel said to Her: *]Rejoice O highly favoured daughter! *The Lord is with You. Blessed are You among women. (Lk. 1: 28) - Hail Mary…
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Thank you for the informative post.
I noticed that the highlighted blue text says ‘Highly favored’ in Lk1:28.
Is this the new catholic position?
It has been stated on numerous threads that the original text read “full of grace”
Has the interpretation of this text changed?
I know my nkjv says highly favored.
Your quote may have implications against the immaculate conception. Careful.
 
misslollipops, not all Catholics use the Douay-Rheims. The Greek more accurately reflects “full of Grace,” but that doesn’t mean Catholics won’t use other Bibles.
 
misslollipops said:
Thank you for the informative post.
I noticed that the highlighted blue text says ‘Highly favored’ in Lk1:28.
Is this the new catholic position?
It has been stated on numerous threads that the original text read “full of grace”
Has the interpretation of this text changed?
I know my nkjv says highly favored.
Your quote may have implications against the immaculate conception. Careful.
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Thanks. I’ll be careful.

The Greek kecharitomene can mean “highly favored” or “full of grace.”
An implicit reference can also be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary in Luke 1:28: “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” The phrase “full of grace” is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. This word represents the proper name of the person being addressed by the angel, and it therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning “to fill or endow with grace.” Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates a perfection of grace that is both intensive and extensive. This means that the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit, and was not only as “full” or strong or complete as possible at any given time, but it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence to have been called “full of grace.”
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This has important implications for you. Careful.
 
misslollipops said:
The prayer to Mary puts something before God
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Then you asking your friend to pray for you “puts something before God.”

Your problem lies again in the your simplistic either/or metality when it comes to religion. You can pray to God in heaven, ergo, you can’t pray to the Saints that are sitting right there next to him.

Praying is not worship, which we only offer to God (maybe for Protestants it is, since they’ve so stripped their religion of true worship, all that’s left is prayer and songs). Praying is simply another another word for asking, as when one says “Pray tell, when will that be?”

Try this…

Grant for just one second that God wants us to ask the saints for their prayers just like he wants us to intercede for each other here on earth—

*Don’t you think if he wanted something to happen he could make it possible? *
 
Randy_Carson said:
Thanks. I’ll be careful.

The Greek kecharitomene can mean “highly favored” or “full of grace.”

This has important implications for you. Careful.
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I wonder how you copy and pasted the verse as it appears in the nkjv.
As far as I know the catholic position is ‘full of grace’ and that is where the immaculate conception doctrine is hinged on.
 
The Immaculate Conception is supported by kecharitomene, not any specific translation of it. The word itself means “full of grace,” no matter how you render it.

The official Bible of the Catholic Church is the Vulgate, which translates it the same way the Douay-Rheims does. Thus, for all intents and purposes, you can assume the “official” Catholic translation is “full of grace,” even if Catholics sometimes use other translations in debates.

Also, the Immaculate Conception isn’t hinged on that one specific word. It’s the only specific example that appears in scripture, though you can infer the doctrine from several other indirect implications.
 
misslollipops said:
The prayer to Mary puts something before God
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Not really. One of the Hail Mary prayer lines says this. “Hail Mary, full of grace the Lord is with you.”

This line is also taken from Luke 1:28.

Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Even though not by exact words but the message remains very clear.

The Latin Vulgate states,

Et ingressus angelus ad eam dixit have **gratia plena **Dominus tecum benedicta tu in mulieribus.

gratia plena is Latin word for full of grace.
 
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