I pray the Rosary numerous times during intervals of a Novus Ordo Mass which expects active participation. You remind me of the Protestant telling Catholics we are “going through the motions” and “praying like robots without understanding” You have no way of knowing other peoples hearts and intentions. If someone choses to pray (silently) during Mass that is between them and God.
And actually, praying the rosary during mass could be considered a liturgical abuse because you are adding your own private devotion to the Mass. What’s the difference between praying the rosary and holding your hands in the orans position during the Our Father? Maybe that person is charismatic and they normally pray with their arms extended like that. There’s nothing wrong with using that position for prayer outside of Mass.
But we still say that it shouldn’t be done during Mass because there are rubrics covering not just what the priest does, but also what the laity do.
The rosary is a private devotion, and should be done on private time (as in not during public worship, which is what the Mass is). The Mass is given to us by the Church as is, meaning that neither the priest nor the laity can add or subtract anything from it.
If you’re busy praying the rosary, are you really paying attention to what’s going on? Fully and actively? How can you listen to Jesus as the Word when you’re not paying full attention? Or the homily, as explaining the Word to us? Even the hymns and chants are a part of our public and communal worship. If you’re busy praying the rosary, you mine as well not even be there because you’re separating yourself from the community.
It comes from understanding the Mass is a prayer, not a “service”.When I first became interested in Catholicism, I had a problem with the idea of praying the Rosary during mass.
I have to say that as I grew in understanding of what active participation is, I’ve since changed my mind.
Very true.
I really hope you will be more open and read a bit more about this. Specifically:
And actually, praying the rosary during mass could be considered a liturgical abuse because you are adding your own private devotion to the Mass. What’s the difference between praying the rosary and holding your hands in the orans position during the Our Father? Maybe that person is charismatic and they normally pray with their arms extended like that. There’s nothing wrong with using that position for prayer outside of Mass.
But we still say that it shouldn’t be done during Mass because there are rubrics covering not just what the priest does, but also what the laity do.
The rosary is a private devotion, and should be done on private time (as in not during public worship, which is what the Mass is). The Mass is given to us by the Church as is, meaning that neither the priest nor the laity can add or subtract anything from it.
If you’re busy praying the rosary, are you really paying attention to what’s going on? Fully and actively? How can you listen to Jesus as the Word when you’re not paying full attention? Or the homily, as explaining the Word to us? Even the hymns and chants are a part of our public and communal worship. If you’re busy praying the rosary, you mine as well not even be there because you’re separating yourself from the community.
“Liturgy” is derived from a Greek word meaning originally a public duty, a service to the state undertaken by a citizen. In the OT the Jews used the word for the public service in the Temple and was invested with a religious sense as the function of the priests in Jewish worship. Christ is referred to in Hebrews 8 as the “Leitourgos of Holy things”. So the liturgy is in fact HIS public religious work for HIS people, HIS ministry, HIS SACRIFICE.
Yes, I noticed since you became interested in Orthodoxy you have been making subtle jabs at Catholicism in different threads. I find that to be sad.
Well yes, because the pagan Greeks had a tradition or orthopraxy not orthodoxy. Right action is what mattered not right belief. And that right action was required to made in the public sphere. So yes, that why that is the original meaning. We are not pagans though nor do we ascribe to orthopraxy OVER orthodoxy.
Not sure what you mean, exactly.
He’s not going to EC churches. He is attending Orthodox churches and is criticizing Catholicism as a whole.
I’m not sure what you’re adding here but I think you misread JS’s post. You latched on the preface without getting to the point. The point is that the essential “action” at Mass is done by the Lord Himself, not by us.
I come from the west, but realize that i do not belong there. And never has.
Orthodox churches have some of the same practices though, I believe.
That’s great. I’m just saying that doesn’t mean you need to come into Catholic subforums and criticize Catholic practices.
Well put, curlycool.
And actually, praying the rosary during mass could be considered a liturgical abuse because you are adding your own private devotion to the Mass. What’s the difference between praying the rosary and holding your hands in the orans position during the Our Father? Maybe that person is charismatic and they normally pray with their arms extended like that. There’s nothing wrong with using that position for prayer outside of Mass.
But we still say that it shouldn’t be done during Mass because there are rubrics covering not just what the priest does, but also what the laity do.
The rosary is a private devotion, and should be done on private time (as in not during public worship, which is what the Mass is). The Mass is given to us by the Church as is, meaning that neither the priest nor the laity can add or subtract anything from it.
If you’re busy praying the rosary, are you really paying attention to what’s going on? Fully and actively? How can you listen to Jesus as the Word when you’re not paying full attention? Or the homily, as explaining the Word to us? Even the hymns and chants are a part of our public and communal worship. If you’re busy praying the rosary, you mine as well not even be there because you’re separating yourself from the community.
Don’t worry. I’ve already decided to hush. Where is the “sshh” icon?You know this will get locked if it continues on this off topic personal point.
