Praying to Saints

[Matt14]

Mickey:

What do you mean by “you guys”?

I mean I came here expecting to be treated poorly, then was proven wrong by some warm and loving folks. But after getting trashed by three guys here the past couple of days, I’m thinking maybe this isn’t the place for peaceful conversation after all.

Sorry if my initial statement seemed like a generalization.

I think most Catholic posters here are extremely charitable.

I think MOST are too. Others are looking for “notches” on their belts, though, which is improper.

Can you say that all of your posts are in perfect charity?

Perfect charity? No. I can’t achieve perfection. But I do not think I have been rude in any way. If anyone feels I have, I openly and heartily apologize here and now.

 

[scylla]

Matt you have been more than charitable, we sometimes do get a little overzealous in trying to share the faith.

I am going to step off for a while just to go book shopping.

If there are too many things going on just focus on one topic, we are always happy to do that. I really try to do that in threads anyways, which is why I suggested a new thread in the first place.

Many Catholics here are used to answering many questions thrown at them and constant changes in the subject in order to poke holes in the Catholic faith. Sometimes we get a little ahead of ourselves, as we are all human.
Don’t let it turn you off,

God Bless
Scylla

 

[bookgirl]

Matt14:

I agree. But I’m not “protestant,” and I’m not a member of a denomination. I am totally against denominationalism. I believe there is one church of Christ, the one spoken of in the New Testament.

There was one Church of Christ, until Martin Luther. The Catholic (means universal, remember) Church only became a denomination when someone decided to break away, and thus “create” denominations in first place. Therefore I see it as a “denomination” only in the eyes of those that left (or have yet to return .)

 

[Mickey]

Matt14:

Perfect charity? No. I can’t achieve perfection. But I do not think I have been rude in any way. If anyone feels I have, I openly and heartily apologize here and now.

That’s the point Matt. Nobody is perfect. We are all sinners.

 

[Matt14]

Mickey:

That’s the point Matt. Nobody is perfect. We are all sinners.

That’s right. If we weren’t all sinners, we wouldn’t need Christ, and we wouldn’t need to talk about spirituality at all!

God bless you, Mickey, and everyone. I’ve gotta go for the day.

Thanks again for all the great discussion.

 

[Fidelis]

Matt14:

Very uncharitable, which is what I expected from you guys. After an initial warm welcome, the rudeness has arrived.

Soooo, it is not uncharitable for you come in and pepper Catholics with questions, but it is uncharitable for Catholics to ask you questions and call you on it when you seem to sidestep the tough ones. So be it.

There’s approximately 50 questions that need answering. Which of yours am I supposed to be answering?

For the third time:

So, the next logical question is: upon what authority do you base those determinations on?

If it is on your private interpretation, what if it conflicts with someone elses private interpretation? Are you right and he’s wrong? Who’s to say?

Is your interpretation true for you, and his true for him? Is not truth objective?

Once you take the road of private interpretation, numerous unresolvable rabbit-trails are bound to pop up.

If you have no answers, it’s ok to say so.

 

[allhers]

The Catholic Church is THE CHURCH, NOT a denomination.

 

[Church_Militant]

Matt14:

Very uncharitable, which is what I expected from you guys. After an initial warm welcome, the rudeness has arrived.
God bless.

Whoa whoa whoa! Uncharitable? You better look again Matt14. You are new here and perhaps you are unaware of the number of hit and run n-C/a-C posters that we get here that attack Catholic teaching with a charity level that makes what you have experienced here look like a loving hug and a kiss.

As for what you expected…why? Have you been here before as someone else or have you talked to others who have thrown down on us only to have us give as good as we get?

In rereading the posts that you seem to think are rude, all I really see is one guy that perhaps made a wrong assumption about you.

If for some reason you are referring to my own post above, I’d say that your assertion is unfounded since all I did was offer you the challenge of proving the truth of what you alleged and giving you a link to a previous and pretty exhaustive discussion of a similar assertion that the Catholic Church went pagan or apostate or whatever early on.

In case you haven’t figured it out on your own yet Matt14; This is the toughest room that you’ll ever “play to” and we Catholics love our faith very very dearly and Our Lord even more. If you wish to discuss disagreements with us then you had better know what you are talkiing about and be able to prove it all because we are very much like a K-mart radio on this…we don’t play.
Pax tecum,

 

[BarbaraTherese]

…as I see things, the truth we are led to is one 's identity in Christ…we are led by the H oly Spirit towards fullness in Christ and our own unique identity in him to the glory of The Father.

I read somewhere that Faith transcends religion…

Regards Barb

 

[silvano]

can we just look at the practical results to thousands,if not millions of people,including protestants, who have been miraculously cured by their life threatening diseases,thru the intercession of the saints,instead of prolonged debate with this issue???anyway,this has been answered already, by rcc in black and white, since 2000 years ago!.

 

[Zooey]

I just want to make one smallish point here:

Matt, Tradition is not " oral tradition handed down". When the good folks here at CAF say “Tradition”, it is history that we are talking about.
It’s not oral; it’s the written words of the Early Church Fathers who knew the Apostles, and wrote down what they learned from them. This is why my own church–I am United Methodist–also uses Tradition. The Wesleys were well aware that Tradition (as opposed to tradition, as you seem to think of it) is the history of Christianity.

God bless all here.

 

[Zooey]

silvano:

can we just look at the practical results to thousands,if not millions of people,including protestants, who have been miraculously cured by their life threatening diseases,thru the intercession of the saints,instead of prolonged debate with this issue???

And that is so very true, which is precisely why I used the example of my grandmother!! Her prayers were answered so wonderfully while she was still here on earth; why ever would they not be just as powerful–nay, more powerful, now that she is present with the Lord???