Pre-marital Sex

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Are there any Protestant religions where pre-marital sex is OK?
 
Are there any Protestant religions where pre-marital sex is OK?
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Protestant religions? If you mean denominations, then yes, there are individuals who claim to follow Jesus who are misled by this, but anyone who claims to believe in God’s word is ignoring scripture, pure and simple.
 
Ideal? No. The best situation? No. But there are those that would not condemn someone for it. I know there are denominations that acknowledge there are some circumstances that may prevent a couple from marrying but they do live together. IF they do so, they are expected to hold the same standards a married couple would when it comes to fidelity, commitment, etc. — I probably did not explain that well at all.
 
Apart from maybe a few tiny way-out sects, protestant denominations don’t actually say in so many words “pre marital sex is OK”. But many of them pointedly and culpably omit saying that it’s NOT OK even in situations which are crying out for them to say something.
 
Lutheranteach said:
Ideal? No. The best situation? No. But there are those that would not condemn someone for it. I know there are denominations that acknowledge there are some circumstances that may prevent a couple from marrying but they do live together. IF they do so, they are expected to hold the same standards a married couple would when it comes to fidelity, commitment, etc.
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…there are some circumstances that may prevent a couple from marrying but they do live together.
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There is the sin of Adam and Eve, again - to be like God; to make our own personal definitions of good and evil.

Who are we living for? Are we serving Jesus? Are we His servants? Do we put Him first?

And our spouses… is it our primary desire for them that they get to Heaven? or do we put our earthly desires ahead of that?

“What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” (Matt 19:6 RSV)
Has God really joined us together, if we disobey Him?

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15 RSV)

Ruthie, a sinner

“We moderns have a nearly infinite capacity to portray ourselves as romantic heroes because we so courageously follow the crowd.” – Jeff Mirius
 
4Squarebaby said:
Lutheranteach;6631549:
Ideal? No. The best situation? No. But there are those that would not condemn someone for it. I know there are denominations that acknowledge there are some circumstances that may prevent a couple from marrying but they do live together.
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:confused:Under what possible circumstances would a couple be forced to cohabitate in a de facto marriage without being married?
IF they do so, they are expected to hold the same standards a married couple would when it comes to fidelity, commitment, etc.
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“The same standards” would be to publicly declare and vow lifelong fidelity, openness to children etc. i.e. to get married.
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Petergee said:
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confused:Under what possible circumstances would a couple be forced to cohabitate in a de facto marriage without being married?
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About the time my parents married they were unable to legally marry in their home state. If it had been an international and not a state border that would have been a circumstance. Many Islamic nations have injunctions against women marrying outside of Islam, that would be another example. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” isn’t nothing new

It seems my first post was lost. I would also point out that many churches will bless or marry same sex couple sometimes with and sometimes without the consent of the state. The question I ask is where Biblically, not traditionally, is the description of “married” what has to take place to transition from living together or fornicating into a married couple? Is it having a Priest saying you are married? Is it having a government clerk accept you as married? Does it take both accepting? If one doesn’t is it a sin?

I would say Churches don’t accept premarital sex, what they differ on is the definition of legal, valid and natural marriage
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4Squarebaby said:
About the time my parents married they were unable to legally marry in their home state. If it had been an international and not a state border that would have been a circumstance. Many Islamic nations have injunctions against women marrying outside of Islam, that would be another example. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” isn’t nothing new
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Which US State has a civil law prohibiting people from marrying who are fee to marry according to Church Law? In any case nobody HAS to get married and nobody HAS to fornicate or cohabitate. If the Church thought it appropriate that a couple be married she could bless their marriage without making it official according to civil law where the civil law would prohibit it.
It seems my first post was lost. I would also point out that many churches will bless or marry same sex couple sometimes with and sometimes without the consent of the state. The question I ask is where Biblically, not traditionally, is the description of “married” what has to take place to transition from living together or fornicating into a married couple? Is it having a Priest saying you are married? Is it having a government clerk accept you as married? Does it take both accepting? If one doesn’t is it a sin?
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I would say Churches don’t accept premarital sex, what they differ on is the definition of legal, valid and natural marriage
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I think you’re overcomplicating this. If a couple publicly and freely commit to living as man and wife in fidelity and openness to procreation for as long as they live, they are married. If not and they live as husband and wife they are fornicating. Marriage is derived from Natural Law and is prior to any civil State and its laws, even prior to the Church, although for Christians Christ raised marriage to the status of a Sacrament which the husband and wife administer to each other with the priest/deacon acting as witnessn (Eastern churches believe the priest confers the sacrament).
 
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About the time my parents married they were unable to legally marry in their home state
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. If it had been an international and not a state border that would have been a circumstance. Many Islamic nations have injunctions against women marrying outside of Islam, that would be another example. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” isn’t nothing new
Which US State has a civil law prohibiting people from marrying who are fee to marry according to Church Law? In any case nobody HAS to get married and nobody HAS to fornicate or cohabitate. If the Church thought it appropriate that a couple be married she could bless their marriage without making it official according to civil law where the civil law would prohibit it.
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Until 1967 they were:
Alabama
Arkansas
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Missouri
Mississippi
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virgina
and West Virgina

So the choice was follow an now declared illegal man made law and co-habitat and fornicate or follow your heart into marriage as I think God would have wanted.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
But then again the Episcopal Church would have no problem allowing a person to marry a lemur either! 😛
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Why not? How dare we forbid a man and his lemur, if they are genuinely in love, to marry! That’s all that counts, isn’t it?
 
A lemur? For God’s sakes, a lemur!? I can see a Galapogos Sea Turtle, a water moccasin, or an African Black Mamba, but a lemur!? LOL
TriuneUnity said:
Why not? How dare we forbid a man and his lemur, if they are genuinely in love, to marry! That’s all that counts, isn’t it?
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TriuneUnity said:
Why not? How dare we forbid a man and his lemur, if they are genuinely in love, to marry! That’s all that counts, isn’t it?
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Mark my words: by this time next year, we’ll have a noncelibate lemur consecrated as bishop.
 
^ these are accurate representations, ladies and gentlemen. These are all future clergy. 😃

And for the OP - since noncelibate homosexuals can be consecrated as bishops in TEC, and since the church leadership is so favorably disposed towards abortion rights and all forms of birth control, they would probably want to be the first Church to openly allow premarital sex.

No, it doesn’t sit well with some of us in the pews. It’s especially tough to teach the kids to save it for marriage when they say “but the bishop said it’s ok!” :mad:
 
I think a lot of them are in a de facto state of accepting it already. The TEC is willing to ordain non-celibate homosexuals so allowing pre-marital sex isn’t a great leap really when you’re in that mindset. Only in the Mark Lawrence-style TEC regions will that kind of craziness not prevail…or in places like, uh, say, Alabama! :D;)
blazerdave said:
^ these are accurate representations, ladies and gentlemen. These are all future clergy. 😃

And for the OP - since noncelibate homosexuals can be consecrated as bishops in TEC, and since the church leadership is so favorably disposed towards abortion rights and all forms of birth control, they would probably want to be the first Church to openly allow premarital sex.

No, it doesn’t sit well with some of us in the pews. It’s especially tough to teach the kids to save it for marriage when they say “but the bishop said it’s ok!” :mad:
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I don’t know about entire denominations but there certainly are Protestants out there who believe that premarital sex is just fine and is not a sin. I used to be one of them. Oh how sorely mistaken I was and they are.
 
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