Predestination/Calvinism

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As I pointed out in the Rom 8:29-30 passage it is God doing the work of salvation in the life of the believer. The flesh is constantly warring against the Spirit as Paul has pointed out. We are declared free from guilt by Christ’s finished work on the cross. Rom 8:1-4Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

It is the new nature imparted to the believer that is a witness to God’s love and faithfulness. It is the Spirit working in through this nature that brings us home. There is no condemnation because we are justified by God.

Seven is not a specific number it represents totally and completely. The wicked never rise.
Yes but you are relying on God’s mercy alone to deliver the unborn by His sovereign grace. It is therefore His choice wetther or not they will be saved.

By the context presented in scripture Pharaoh’s end is eternal destruction.
Thanks for the replies jericho.
Jesus said that God would have more mercy on Sodom and Gomarh than those that have heard the gospel and rejected it.How can God show mercy to one He has designed to reject Him by the same thought how can God be wrathful towards that which He **designed ** to reject Him?
Is there thus no need for repentence of your sins? i am not implying that you do not repent but i ask why would you feel a need repent when on the ocassion you do sin.
 
I have at least twice as many passages on my side and you ignore them.
Like I said before - in post #299, I supplied you with almost a dozen more verses.
I want to know how you can address ALL of them. BUT, to make it easy on you - address these 2 verses first.

Remember - Scripture CANNOT contradict itself. It must remain harmonious.
STOP running, Jericho.

Please address these verses. The more you dodge them - the clearer it is that you are dead wrong.**
 
My dear lady there is nothing lacking in Christ’s suffering, it is complete in every way.
Please answer the following verse in your Calvinist view:

Col. 1:24
"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church."
 
Thanks for the replies jericho.
Jesus said that God would have more mercy on Sodom and Gomarh than those that have heard the gospel and rejected it.How can God show mercy to one He has designed to reject Him by the same thought how can God be wrathful towards that which He **designed ** to reject Him?
Is there thus no need for repentence of your sins? i am not implying that you do not repent but i ask why would you feel a need repent when on the ocassion you do sin.
First Sodom and Gomorrah never heard the gospel so they are less accountable. Those who reject the gospel have a greater accountability they have no excuse.
Mat 10:15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

It is a command of the Lord to repent when we sin. 1John1:8-10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
 
Like I said before - in post #299, I supplied you with almost a dozen more verses.
I want to know how you can address ALL of them. BUT, to make it easy on you - address these 2 verses first.

Remember - Scripture CANNOT contradict itself. It must remain harmonious.
STOP running, Jericho.
Please address** these verses. The more you dodge them - the clearer it is that you are dead wrong.
Merry Christmas eve elvis, We agree scripture cannot contradict it self. I believe when those scriptures are read in the light of each other we can find their true meaning. BTW I have at least 28 verses that say otherwise.
 
First Sodom and Gomorrah never heard the gospel so they are less accountable. Those who reject the gospel have a greater accountability they have no excuse.
Mat 10:15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

It is a command of the Lord to repent when we sin. 1John1:8-10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
Then, did the wicked of Sodom and Gomorrah go to hell? Or were they eventually saved?
Did they go to Purgatory first?

Are there different dimensions of hell? How could there be if ALL hell is devoid of God’s grace?
 
Please answer the following verse in your Calvinist view:

Col. 1:24
"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church."
I know there is certainly nothing lacking in Christ’s finished work on the cross. That’s what it says but that’s not what it means for sure.
 
Then, did the wicked of Sodom and Gomorrah go to hell? Or were they eventually saved?
Did they go to Purgatory first?

Are there different dimensions of hell? How could there be if ALL hell is devoid of God’s grace?
God poured out His wrath on them destroying them it was judgement. He left them as a warning to future generations.
 
No. Could you please share that with us.
elvisman did already.

But here it is again:
Different translation; still the same. Paul says what’s exactly contradictory to your man-made tradition.
[BIBLEDRB]Col 1:24[/BIBLEDRB]
 
elvisman did already.

But here it is again:
Different translation; still the same. Paul says what’s exactly contradictory to your man-made tradition.
[BIBLEDRB]Col 1:24[/BIBLEDRB]
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

It’s not that Christ’s affliction was lacking it is that it is lacking in the flesh of Paul, his sufferings were less than Christ’s

And fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ - That which I lack of coming up to the sufferings which Christ endured in the cause of the church. The apostle seems to mean:

(1) that be suffered in the same cause as that for which Christ suffered;

(2) that he endured the same kind of sufferings, to some extent, in reproaches, persecutions, and opposition from the world;

(3) that he had not yet suffered as much as Christ did in this cause, and, though be had suffered greatly, yet there was much that was lacking to make him equal in this respect to the Saviour; and,

(4) that he felt that it was an object to be earnestly desired to be made in all respects just like Christ, and that in his present circumstances he was fast filling up that which was lacking, so that he would have a more complete resemblance to him.
 
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is **still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, **for the sake of his body, which is the church.

It’s not that Christ’s affliction was lacking it is that it is lacking in the flesh of Paul, his sufferings were less than Christ’s.
Please re-read the bolded part.

I think you cannot really talk your way out this.

Clearly, Paul believes that we all participate in the afflictions of Christ.

Your pastor has never preached on this verse then?
 
elvisman did already.

But here it is again:
Different translation; still the same. Paul says what’s exactly contradictory to your man-made tradition.
[BIBLEDRB]Col 1:24[/BIBLEDRB]
What Paul is referring to is his suffering in spreading the gospel. Jesus did all that was necessary for salvation.
 
God poured out His wrath on them destroying them it was judgement. He left them as a warning to future generations.
That’s not what I asked. We ALL know what happened to them.
I asked you - did they go to hell?


Please answer the question.
 
Being a child was never a guarantee of heaven. Our sin nature begins at conception. By your definition their innocence is the means for eternal life apart from the righteousness of Christ and that is a false gospel. Your own religion does not guarantee eternal life for infants. They rely on God’s mercy which is then according to His prerogative. I fully trust God’s mercy apart from works.
we may be arguing symantics here. show me in the CCC where the Catholicism does not guarantee eternal life for infants. the teaching of limbo, is not a belief we are bound to. it is not dogma. is this what you are refering to? if you are telling me that God would send an infant to hell, then what kind of God do the Calvinist worship? it goes against all reason, and also states God is not a Just God. Peace 😦
 
I have at least twice as many passages on my side and you ignore them.
with all due respect my friend. this is another problem i have with protestantism in general. they do not take the bible as a whole, they only pick and choose which verses support their claims at the expense of the rest. no protestant denomination has the whole picture. do you think that Calvinism is superior to Lutheranism? is it superior to Weslian theology? if so, why? all these reformers are looking at the same text, but can come to no agreement. why? can you see why someone would have a problem with this? Peace
 
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