President Obama to receive honorary degree from Notre Dame

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God and our faith do not need to be defended. God and our faith have done quite well without being defended. We need to reveal the glory of God that resides in us instead of our human weakness that gets offended so easily.
But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.

1 Peter 3, 14-16
 
I am disappointed that he does not see this as an opportunity. There is so much he can do that would be positive and be an example to show that God can be present and found anywhere.
John Paul II found God in a rock quarry trying to live on 800 calories a day during the Nazi evil. Gorbachev met with JP II in the Vatican. Instead of all these Bishops writing letters of objection why don’t they go to ND and request a meeting with Obama.
Not attending is weak. Christ went to sinners regardless of where they were. John Paul II went to places where he was not welcomed and his life was threatened.
God is not limited to any occasion or ceremony to create conversion. Their avoidance and lack of spiritual sight in this matter overwhelms me with disappointment.
Bishop D’Arcy is not writing off Notre Dame. He is presiding at the baccalaureate mass, just like every other year. He believes that as the chief teacher of the faith in this diocese, he cannot appear on the same stage where a man who denies the right to life to millions is being honored with a law degree.

Bishop D’Arcy said a different setting with open discussion would be perfectly proper for a university.Cardinal George recently visited the President privately, but did not give him an award. Pope Benedict recently gave an audience to Nancy Pelosi without giving her an award or the cherished “photo op”. John Paul II did not give Gorbachev an award for his work in promoting abortion.

Dialogue is perfectly proper, but giving seeming approval for intrisic evil is not.
 
There is only a struggle because there is confusion and the confusion is the result of not understanding that our faith begins with the Cross. Scandal is a word used to describe a feeling of being personally attacked. There is no attack against our faith at ND. Look at your verse in #6. Who are the little ones? When we limit our description of Obama to him being a baby killer then are we causing innocent people in our faith to sin by our restricted understanding of him? Do we then create a hostile relationship with those who we want to convert? Paul became all things to all people in order to convert them.

John Paul II said “…in the profound and magnificent mystery of the ‘Communion of Saints’…every soul that rises above itself raises up the world. To this ‘law of ascent’ there unfortunately corresponds the ‘law of descent’. Consequently on can speak of a ‘communion of sin’, whereby a soul that lowers itself through sin drags down with itself the Church and, in some way, the whole world. In other words there is no sin, not even the most intimate and secret one, that exclusively concerns the person committing it. With greater or lesser violence, with greater or lesser harm, every sin has repercussions on the entire ecclesial body and on the whole human family.”–Reconciliatio et Paenitentia, 2 December '84
The human response at ND is to cry scandal and this does nothing to help the unborn. It only causes the innocent to be angry and then it is labeled righteous anger. I do not think so.
YOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO.
ROOOOOOOOOOON-AAAAAAAAAAAAALD.

I’m just home from a workday. You wannna know where you called Obama a baby-killer?
Read the above. YOU used the term AND you implied others were using it.

BIG BIG BIG YUCK.
You have a short memory?
 
Hmm, and apparently there’s fallacy in relying on emotion as well. So if all my logic is useless and all Ronald’s emotion is useless, what is useful?
You’re joking, yes?

In accepting and supporting Church Teaching, I rely on grace. Who doesn’t?

You imagine I should rely on your thinking and Ronalds’ emotion???
God forbid.
 
YOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO.
ROOOOOOOOOOON-AAAAAAAAAAAAALD.

I’m just home from a workday. You wannna know where you called Obama a baby-killer?
Read the above. YOU used the term AND you implied others were using it.

BIG BIG BIG YUCK.
You have a short memory?
Please read again. Where did I call him that. I am a Catholic and when I use we it means that we are all the body of Christ and consequently, when one sins it brings all of us down.
You seem to gloat when you think you are correct. Once again you read what you want to believe or you twist what is said to fit your perception so you can be right.
 
YOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO.
ROOOOOOOOOOON-AAAAAAAAAAAAALD.

I’m just home from a workday. You wannna know where you called Obama a baby-killer?
Read the above. YOU used the term AND you implied others were using it.

BIG BIG BIG YUCK.
You have a short memory?
You then totally ignore the rest of the message. I thought it was people outside the faith who would pick and choose what supported their position. I have been greatly disappointed since my return to this beautiful faith with the hard-hearted disposition of those who are most verbal on the internet and at EWTN when it comes to having a deep understanding of God’s Love. They seem to live this beautiful faith with a relativistic disposition and the worst thing is they can’t see it.
I returned after 40 years of hating Catholicism only because of God’s Love. I never heard of Catholic radio or television. Never heard of apologetics and defending the faith. I learned of the sanctity of life from the writings of Krishnamurti in 1974 and learned that the source of all creation was love through Buddhism and then at the age of 58 God showed me that He is Love.
I am tired of God’s Love being perverted in order to satisfy the lust of anger. I have seen the enenmy in my faith and it is ignorance.
Take all the shots you want.
 
And he said to his disciples: It is impossible that scandals should not come. But woe to him through whom they come!* It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.* - Luke 17:1-2
To esteem and hold up as an honorary model a public figure with such notoriety as that of our President, outspoken in his disdain for the unborn by a Catholic institution is nothing short of scandal. It will surely lead many down the path of destruction. Hosting a forum with the President would be the proper thing to do, such that there is no doubt whatsoever cast in the public eye where the Church stands on the intrinsic evil of abortion. Publicly honoring him as N.D. intends clearly gives the wrong indication regarding Church teaching and serves to cause confusion.

Strong words in deed our Lord has for such things.
 
To esteem and hold up as an honorary model a public figure with such notoriety as that of our President, outspoken in his disdain for the unborn by a Catholic institution is nothing short of scandal. It will surely lead many down the path of destruction. Hosting a forum with the President would be the proper thing to do, such that there is no doubt whatsoever cast in the public eye where the Church stands on the intrinsic evil of abortion. Publicly honoring him as N.D. intends clearly gives the wrong indication regarding Church teaching and serves to cause confusion.

Strong words in deed our Lord has for such things.
The scandal is the importance you put on a meaningless award. IT IS MEANINGLESS! You give it importance with your human understanding. The scandal is the weakness of faith being expressed by those who believe as the world believes and lives in the delusion that human reward has importance.
If you can’t see then I will not be able to convince you.
 
I am disappointed that he does not see this as an opportunity. There is so much he can do that would be positive and be an example to show that God can be present and found anywhere.
It is not morally legitimate to scandalize the nation even as a means of opportunity. We do not affirm God’s Church when we support a public figure as an example and hold him esteemed that who is completely at odds with it.
 
The scandal is the importance you put on a meaningless award. IT IS MEANINGLESS! You give it importance with your human understanding. The scandal is the weakness of faith being expressed by those who believe as the world believes and lives in the delusion that human reward has importance.
If you can’t see then I will not be able to convince you.
It matters not that the award is meaningless. It is the perception and message that people will derive from such support. The message that the Church excuses such views as those expressed by the President. Yes, the media can’t wait to show a Clip of a Catholic institution presenting award and honoring a pro-death leader.
 
It matters not that the award is meaningless. It is the perception and message that people will derive from such support. The message that the Church excuses such views as those expressed by the President. Yes, the media can’t wait to show a Clip of a Catholic institution presenting award and honoring a pro-death leader.
What if they had him speak at commencement but didn’t give him the honorary degree? I’m just curious what your opinion would be then.
 
I do not support abortion Frankly, I am quite offended…how dare you presume otherwise. How would you like it if I accused you (implicitly or not) of supporting abortion? Can you give me ONE reference where I said I support abortion??? Please, if you can’t keep your uninformed accusations to yourself, find another way to vent your emotions.

. I agree with the Popes. Do you? They did not say voting for Barack Obama is the same as supporting abortion.

Of course, if you have evidence to the contrary, please enlighten us.
So, you voted for Barack Obama, the most pro-abortion candidate in our nation’s history… and you don’t believe that you have moral culpability? Do you realize that your confusion was paid for by George Soros?

catholickey.blogspot.com/2008/10/george-soros-funds-catholics-in.html?showComment=1224962040000
 
YOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO.
ROOOOOOOOOOON-AAAAAAAAAAAAALD.

I’m just home from a workday. You wannna know where you called Obama a baby-killer?
Read the above. YOU used the term AND you implied others were using it.

BIG BIG BIG YUCK.
You have a short memory?
This thread is a little long to weed through some of the details. Is this poster named Catharina claiming to be both Catholic and pro-abortion? I’m hoping that I have misunderstood…
 
This thread is a little long to weed through some of the details. Is this poster named Catharina claiming to be both Catholic and pro-abortion? I’m hoping that I have misunderstood…
No, she’s just easily outraged by anything that has the appearance of contradicting the Church. I’m not sure why she was accusing Ronald of calling Obama a baby-killer; I could have sworn she called him that herself a few times already.
 
Please read again. Where did I call him that. I am a Catholic and when I use we it means that we are all the body of Christ and consequently, when one sins it brings all of us down.
You seem to gloat when you think you are correct. Once again you read what you want to believe or you twist what is said to fit your perception so you can be right.
YOU said this:

“When we limit our description of Obama to him being a baby killer then are we causing innocent people in our faith to sin by our restricted understanding of him?”

Explain it without spinning.
 
You then totally ignore the rest of the message. I thought it was people outside the faith who would pick and choose what supported their position. I have been greatly disappointed since my return to this beautiful faith with the hard-hearted disposition of those who are most verbal on the internet and at EWTN when it comes to having a deep understanding of God’s Love. They seem to live this beautiful faith with a relativistic disposition and the worst thing is they can’t see it.
I returned after 40 years of hating Catholicism only because of God’s Love. I never heard of Catholic radio or television. Never heard of apologetics and defending the faith. I learned of the sanctity of life from the writings of Krishnamurti in 1974 and learned that the source of all creation was love through Buddhism and then at the age of 58 God showed me that He is Love.
I am tired of God’s Love being perverted in order to satisfy the lust of anger. I have seen the enenmy in my faith and it is ignorance.
Take all the shots you want.
YOU TOOK THE SHOT, FELLOW.

YOU SAID:

“When we limit our description of Obama to him being a baby killer then are we causing innocent people in our faith to sin by our restricted understanding of him?”

NOW, EXPLAIN IT.

Who said baby killer? Not I.
Why did you go there?
What’s your point?
Vicious rhetoric … THAT helps the Church?
 
This thread is a little long to weed through some of the details. Is this poster named Catharina claiming to be both Catholic and pro-abortion? I’m hoping that I have misunderstood…
You might have addressed Catharina, huh?

I’m discouraged by the excuses given to paint Obama as ‘good guy.’
I’ve worked in pro-lfe for almost forty years, so get a clue.
Nonetheless, I’ve NEVER called ANYONE a baby-killer.
It’s hate-talk. So I don’t go there.

Ronald and Luis seem to feel the need to diminish the gravity of the sin of abortion.
They also seem to imagine that others are using the term baby killer.
Their mistake - but no surprise.

We don’t call names on this site.
We don’t ask questions about other posters -
in other words, why didn’t you ask ME instead of asking ABOUT me?
 
No, she’s just easily outraged by anything that has the appearance of contradicting the Church. I’m not sure why she was accusing Ronald of calling Obama a baby-killer; I could have sworn she called him that herself a few times already.
Luis - you should report yourself for that ugly accusation.

I’ve never called anyone a baby-killer and I’ve worked in pro-life for close to forty years.
Ronald called Obama a baby killer. Read the posts.
I did not do so - yet you IMAGINE I did so - and several times???
Don’t slander me. It’s sinful to slander someone.
 
Speak the Truth as it flows from He who is Truth.

Leave The Liar alone with its Lies. Don’t get within its reach.

I wonder who has been killed today. A doctor? A good mother? A priest? A deacon? Maybe a kind Sister. On Earth we’ll never know. I hope they’re praying for us now.
 
instead of lieing id rather copy and paste non relevant issues perhaps a form of lie however i still have problems at time posting relevant posts
 
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