President Obama to Speak at Catholic Xavier U

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Your view that the Democratic Party was the only party that seemed to welcome Catholics is not exactly true. American politics in the 1840’s and 1850’s was in a great state of upheaval due to the question regarding slavery and saw a split among the Democrats which almost destroyed the party. The Whigs, of which Lincoln was a member, disintegrated, opening the way for the emergence of the Republican Party which replaced it. The new Republican Party openly courted German Catholics, especially in the Northern and Midwestern states, precisely because they were almost totally against slavery. As far as Lincoln is concerned, he was quoted by his good friend, Joshua Speed, as saying “How can one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that all men are created equal. We now practically read it all men are created equal, except negroes. When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics. When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty . . . to Russia, for instance.” In my view, Catholics have been drawn to the Democratic Party since after the Civil War and primarily as a result of that party’s views regarding labor and social welfare. The traditional Catholic support for the Democratic Party is a 20th Century tradition born from Catholic immigrants attempting to find and keep jobs.
Thanks. I’m sure there was more than one factor.

The point in general is that Catholics’ support for Dems is a long tradition, and those deep ties are problematic today as Catholics by the millions either excuse the Dem’s abortion “rights” platform or actually buy into it.
 
I understand why people are against him, because of abortion, and other issues that violate Catholic Social Teaching, but you cannot seriously tell me that McCain would have not violated Catholic Social Teaching also.

Peace and Love,

John
First of all, thank you, John, for deciding to serve the Church - praise God!

Yes, people go overboard on Obama, but, how hard is it, really, to draw the line at abortion when deciding what political candidate/politician to support? My Archbishop gave these guidelines for those Catholics considering supporting pro-abortion candidates - if you are prepared to look the victims of abortion in the eye in the next life and explain your decision, confident that you can in good conscience give them a satisfactory answer, then go ahead.

Catholics should have a zero tolerance for abortion, and not trade it off for other issues.

Of course, our goal should not be for one party or another to succeed or to find a home for ourselves in one political party. Our goal should be for neither party to support abortion. There happens to be one that does and one that doesn’t - that’s nobody’s fault but the Dems’, and they should get no free pass from Catholics.

When an organization is pro-abortion, we should directly challenge and admonish and attempt to persuade them. We address Planned Parenthood and NARAL directly, by name, head on. The Dem party should be no different. We should not shy away from going directly at them simply because they are a political party, even if we belong to them.

If the Dem party is shown that they can’t count on Catholics swallowing their principles on abortion when they vote, they will change (or slide into obscurity). Maybe pro-abortion forces will leave and start a new party, where they have no “other social issues” cover to hide under - wouldn’t that be awesome?
 
Thanks. I’m sure there was more than one factor.

The point in general is that Catholics’ support for Dems is a long tradition, and those deep ties are problematic today as Catholics by the millions either excuse the Dem’s abortion “rights” platform or actually buy into it.
Yes, it’s true that Catholics have long supported the Democratic Party, more so than the Republicans. This is because the Democratic Party, especially in its attitude towards labor and social welfare, as well as the fact that the Democratic Party twice championed a Catholic as its nominee for the presidency when it was a political challenge to do so. I also believe that the Democratic support for the civil rights movement in the 60’s, which was much more vocal than the Republican support, had a lot to do with modern Catholic support of the Party. You are correct that Catholic support for the present Democratic Party, and by extension that Party’s support for abortion rights, is problematic and needs to be addressed. As a lifelong Democrat I have been very disappointed with the Democratic Party and I have long had difficulty supporting candidates from the Party I have claimed as my own in the past. I’m not sure what Catholics should do given the present state of the Party, but I do not think becoming a Republican is a viable alternative for me. I do not vote my Party’s ticket but have trouble supporting a different party at this point. Perhaps a new party will form in time, much as the Republican Party emerged from the Whig Party, to allow me, and those like me, a stronger voice in American politics.
 
I have a friend who is a ardent Catholic yet when Obama ran for the presidency he got mad at me when I stated that Obama is pro abortion. He said the president cannot change abortion laws himself. Then he shook his head and said that this is where misunderstandings arise. He said Obama is personally pro life. I gave him the counter arguments and he refused to budge. I am still laughing about that one.
 
I have a friend who is a ardent Catholic yet when Obama ran for the presidency he got mad at me when I stated that Obama is pro abortion. He said the president cannot change abortion laws himself. Then he shook his head and said that this is where misunderstandings arise. He said Obama is personally pro life. I gave him the counter arguments and he refused to budge. I am still laughing about that one.
The spin doctors won a great victory with that line in 2008. 😦
 
In my view it is proper for a Catholic university to invite the President of the United States to address the student body and faculty of that institution even if that president does not agree with the religious and moral positions held by the institution. The school does not cease to be Catholic in doing so as long as it makes clear that it does not support those views which go against its own theology and morality. A university is a forum of education where a variety of views should be expressed and debated. …
Except that during Obama’s speech there was only one view expressed and there was no debate.

I don’t recall the school ever making the declaration that it does not support Obama’s pro-abortion views.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
 
There seems to be an odd trend here that I haven’t heard in the media.
Obama seems to want to speak at Catholic universities, perhaps to purposely sow division in the US Catholic Church? (Some Catholics support him and like it when he comes, others don’t support him and believe he is an apostate who should not be given a stage at a Catholic university.)

He came to Austin, Texas a few weeks ago (and Dallas) and about 4 days before he arrived, he asked to speak at St. Edwards Uni. Anyone in Austin can tell you the big name here is Uni of Texas (UT) which is in Austin, and is one of the top unis based on enrollment. He did speak at UT, and met the governor. UT has some 45,000 students. St. Eds has about 5,000, and is tiny and doesn’t usually pop into any Austinites’ minds when they talk about local colleges. (St. Edwards was founded by the same person who founded Notre Dame.)

But Obama asked for a stage there. Why? It makes no sense.
And now we have the Xavier thing? He is doing this on purpose, for a reason. At Notre Dame he basically used his stage to tell Catholics to give up already and accept defeat on abortion, which made it a disgusting day for both the country and Notre Dame.

He is up to something. He knows a lot of Dems are Catholic, and I think he wants to lead those out of the Church, to weaken the Church’s voice in America.
 
There seems to be an odd trend here that I haven’t heard in the media.
Obama seems to want to speak at Catholic universities, perhaps to purposely sow division in the US Catholic Church? (Some Catholics support him and like it when he comes, others don’t support him and believe he is an apostate who should not be given a stage at a Catholic university.)

He came to Austin, Texas a few weeks ago (and Dallas) and about 4 days before he arrived, he asked to speak at St. Edwards Uni. Anyone in Austin can tell you the big name here is Uni of Texas (UT) which is in Austin, and is one of the top unis based on enrollment. He did speak at UT, and met the governor. UT has some 45,000 students. St. Eds has about 5,000, and is tiny and doesn’t usually pop into any Austinites’ minds when they talk about local colleges. (St. Edwards was founded by the same person who founded Notre Dame.)

But Obama asked for a stage there. Why? It makes no sense.
And now we have the Xavier thing? He is doing this on purpose, for a reason. At Notre Dame he basically used his stage to tell Catholics to give up already and accept defeat on abortion, which made it a disgusting day for both the country and Notre Dame.

He is up to something. He knows a lot of Dems are Catholic, and I think he wants to lead those out of the Church, to weaken the Church’s voice in America.
So, let me get this straight:

If he speaks at a Catholic university, he’s engaging in a nefarious plot.

And, if he doesn’t speak at a Catholic university, that means he doesn’t care about Catholics.
 
A Catholic university at that time owned slaves which had built some of the campus buildings.

If you want to be technical about Georgetown.
Well, it’s one thing to own slaves. It’s quite another to invite a pro-slavery president to speak. Just because you own slaves, doesn’t mean you’re pro-slavery.:rolleyes:
 
President Obama is pro abortion and we all know the evils of abortion. Obama should not be welcome at any Catholic University. Let’s pray for his conversion. But let us stand up for the truth of our Faith. Let’s stop trying to be polite. Let’s stop being afraid and tip toeing around evil.
 
He came to Austin, Texas a few weeks ago (and Dallas) and about 4 days before he arrived, he asked to speak at St. Edwards Uni.
I don’t know why speaking at St. Edward’s was considered important. However, apparently he made a similar request in 2007 and was turned down on the grounds that the university had a policy against giving political candidates a platform.
hilltopviewsonline.com/news/st-edward-s-says-no-to-obama-twice-1.1528213

Perhaps he (or his staff) wanted to follow up on that earlier request, which had been turned down?🤷
 
Except that during Obama’s speech there was only one view expressed and there was no debate.

I don’t recall the school ever making the declaration that it does not support Obama’s pro-abortion views.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
There was no debate because the President was asked to give an address.
It is not necessary for the Univerisity to make a declaration stating that it does not support the President’s views on abortion. It is a Catholic Institution. The Church’s views concerning abortion are well known. The President certainly knows them.
 
Well, it’s one thing to own slaves. It’s quite another to invite a pro-slavery president to speak. Just because you own slaves, doesn’t mean you’re pro-slavery.:rolleyes:
You raise an interesting quandary faced by many people prior to the American Cival War. Many people who opposed slavery actually owned slaves they had inherited or had received as a result of marriage. Nevertheless, they felt unable to emancipate their slaves due to the economic hardships the slaves would face when cast off on their own. Elderly slaves were a special concern for such slave owners. Some slave owners, as well as abolitionsists, actually felt that without a system of welfare or security in place for emancipated slaves, emancipation would merely add to the suffering of slaves. I understand your point when you roll your eyes, but historically speaking, it was quite true that some slave owners did indeed oppose slavery.
 
There was no debate because the President was asked to give an address.
It is not necessary for the Univerisity to make a declaration stating that it does not support the President’s views on abortion. It is a Catholic Institution. The Church’s views concerning abortion are well known. The President certainly knows them.
Sadly, many Catholics still vote for pro-abortion candidates even though the Church’s views against abortion are well known.

The President spoke of trying to meet at some middle common ground of “reducing the number of abortions” (to which some people in the audience gave a round of applause) rather than fight for a law outlawing abortions altogether.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
 
Sadly, many Catholics still vote for pro-abortion candidates even though the Church’s views against abortion are well known.

The President spoke of trying to meet at some middle common ground of “reducing the number of abortions” (to which some people in the audience gave a round of applause) rather than fight for a law outlawing abortions altogether.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
I think it’s true that some Catholics vote for candidates who support a right to abortion even when they know the Church opposes the very idea of such a right, but I don’t think most Catholics vote for those candidates precisely because of their pro abortion views. They vote for those candidates for other reasons. Of course, this is little comfort for those who wish to abolish abortion altogether and believe that a candidate’s positions on other issues do not matter. This seems to be the disagreement between Catholics who voted for President Obama and those who did not, not the fact that abortion is morally wrong. This is why I hope a new political position is opened in the future. I see no future for honest Catholics in a Democratic Party which supports abortion rights or in a Republican Party which believes the government has no role to play in securing the social and economic welfare of its citizens. I would like to see a new political party emerge.
I, too, would like to see a complete end to abortion in our society, but I think this will be possible only from a moral conversion of society and will not happen merely from a legal change. Neither do I think that criminalization of abortion will solve the problem. I, too, support a law banning abortions, but I’m not sure it would be right to send a woman who has an abortion to jail. The issue is more than a legal one and must be solved with more than legal means. The President is not wrong in hoping to see a reduction of abortions in society, even though many see this stance as merely one of throwing a dog a bone. I think all of us hope to see a reduction of abortions in society. I think we should listen to the President to see what he has to say about the means he would use to reduce abortions. This doesn’t mean we should stop working to ban abortions altogether, but it does mean we should use every means available to us to prevent as many abortions as we possibly can here and now.
 
I fear some here have a flawed view of what is the mission of a Catholic University.

Here are some quotes from the Holy Father’s address during a meeting of Catholic educators, on April 17, 2008 at The Catholic University of America.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/april/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080417_cath-univ-washington_en.html

A university or school’s Catholic identity is not simply a question of the number of Catholic students. It is a question of conviction – do we really believe that only in the mystery of the Word made flesh does the mystery of man truly become clear (cf. Gaudium et Spes, 22)? Are we ready to commit our entire self – intellect and will, mind and heart – to God? Do we accept the truth Christ reveals? Is the faith tangible in our universities and schools? Is it given fervent expression liturgically, sacramentally, through prayer, acts of charity, a concern for justice, and respect for God’s creation? Only in this way do we really bear witness to the meaning of who we are and what we uphold.

…]

In regard to faculty members at Catholic colleges universities, I wish to reaffirm the great value of academic freedom. In virtue of this freedom you are called to search for the truth wherever careful analysis of evidence leads you. Yet it is also the case that any appeal to the principle of academic freedom in order to justify positions that contradict the faith and the teaching of the Church would obstruct or even betray the university’s identity and mission; a mission at the heart of the Church’s munus docendi and not somehow autonomous or independent of it.

Teachers and administrators, whether in universities or schools, have the duty and privilege to ensure that students receive instruction in Catholic doctrine and practice. This requires that public witness to the way of Christ, as found in the Gospel and upheld by the Church’s Magisterium, shapes all aspects of an institution’s life, both inside and outside the classroom. Divergence from this vision weakens Catholic identity and, far from advancing freedom, inevitably leads to confusion, whether moral, intellectual or spiritual.

So the issue is not academic freedom, nor open debate.

The issue is whether a Catholic University is fulfilling it’s duty to bear “public witness to the way of Christ as found in the Gospel and upheld by the Church’s Magisterium”, when it allow a decidedly Catholic speaking venue for any politician who stands for “The Culture of Death”.

Sadly, it does not!
 
I fear some here have a flawed view of what is the mission of a Catholic University.

Here are some quotes from the Holy Father’s address during a meeting of Catholic educators, on April 17, 2008 at The Catholic University of America.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/april/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080417_cath-univ-washington_en.html

A university or school’s Catholic identity is not simply a question of the number of Catholic students. It is a question of conviction – do we really believe that only in the mystery of the Word made flesh does the mystery of man truly become clear (cf. Gaudium et Spes, 22)? Are we ready to commit our entire self – intellect and will, mind and heart – to God? Do we accept the truth Christ reveals? Is the faith tangible in our universities and schools? Is it given fervent expression liturgically, sacramentally, through prayer, acts of charity, a concern for justice, and respect for God’s creation? Only in this way do we really bear witness to the meaning of who we are and what we uphold.

…]

In regard to faculty members at Catholic colleges universities, I wish to reaffirm the great value of academic freedom. In virtue of this freedom you are called to search for the truth wherever careful analysis of evidence leads you. Yet it is also the case that any appeal to the principle of academic freedom in order to justify positions that contradict the faith and the teaching of the Church would obstruct or even betray the university’s identity and mission; a mission at the heart of the Church’s munus docendi and not somehow autonomous or independent of it.

Teachers and administrators, whether in universities or schools, have the duty and privilege to ensure that students receive instruction in Catholic doctrine and practice. This requires that public witness to the way of Christ, as found in the Gospel and upheld by the Church’s Magisterium, shapes all aspects of an institution’s life, both inside and outside the classroom. Divergence from this vision weakens Catholic identity and, far from advancing freedom, inevitably leads to confusion, whether moral, intellectual or spiritual.

So the issue is not academic freedom, nor open debate.

The issue is whether a Catholic University is fulfilling it’s duty to bear “public witness to the way of Christ as found in the Gospel and upheld by the Church’s Magisterium”, when it allow a decidedly Catholic speaking venue for any politician who stands for “The Culture of Death”.

Sadly, it does not!
I agree with what the Holy Father has said about the role of Catholic Institutions. I also agree with your final analysis of the issue facing a Catholic University when it invites a speaker onto its campus. My question, however, is what do you mean by a politician who stands for the culture of death? Many folks would say that President Obama, because of his position on abortion, is one such politician, but others would say that Governor Perry of Texas, because of his stand on the death penalty, is another such politician. Some would say that President Bush, by leading us into war in Iraq, also stands for the culture of death, as does Vice President Cheney due to his outspoken support for torture in Guantanamo Bay. Are Catholic Universities only to allow Mother Theresa and other saints like her to speak on campus? Perhaps this is a good idea, but perhaps it also limits the degree of influence a Catholic University can have on society. A Catholic University or institution cannot remain faithful to the vision of Catholic identity you mentioned above by hiding itself under a rock and pretending the difficult issues of the day don’t exist. Neither can sanctity pervade society by remaining in an ivory tower on an inaccessible hill. Catholic Insititutions must interract with the world if they are to influence the world, and this means being willing to listen to, dialog with and oppose those who have a different view than that which we champion. President Obama came to Xavier University to present a particular view. The University does not support that view because it offered the venue for dialog. Neither is its Catholic identity ignored by doing so. We have listened to the President. If his view is different from the one we proclaim, then we now have the right and duty to explain our own view to him and society in rebuttal. Our Catholic identity should not fear the honest expression of differing views. Our own vision has held firm for over two thousand years. I have no doubt it will outlast our present time and these present issues.
 
I am strongly pro-life, and am a supporter of Obama. Pro-life is from womb to tomb, including abortion, ending war, taking care of the sick and poor, and ending the death penalty. While I disagree with his stance on abortion, I feel Obama strongly supports pro-life causes that Bush did not.

Do I wish Obama was against abortion? Yes. But I look at the president we had before him, who many loved because he was against abortion. Was Roe v. Wade any closer to being overturned during his presidency? No.
 
Do I wish Obama was against abortion? Yes. But I look at the president we had before him, who many loved because he was against abortion. Was Roe v. Wade any closer to being overturned during his presidency? No.
Bush gave us Roberts and Alito, which brought the composition of the SCOTUS to near where it would need to be to overturn Roe v. Wade. Then Obama gave us Sotomayor and Kagan, ensuring that such a reversal is another 20+ years off at best.

That is exactly what we feared (and expected) Obama would do when he was elected.
 
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