Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

[smndtupidisaftr]

Was that really because of the Constitutional Party, or just Tom Tancredo.

Once again this is another reason I have little respect for 3rd parties and their candidates Gary Johnson, Bob Barr and Ron Paul are just users who go 3rd party out of convience, the minute they lose…oh surprise surprise next primary election they change their party affiliation back to Republican.

3rd parties constantly get used by hack Republicans who are only concerned with their own careers and use them as vehicles for their own goals and 3rd parties are just more than happy to jump at the bait.

As for Virgil Goode, the man has been a Democrat, an Independent, a Republican and just conveniently a Constitutionalist since the last Primary Election…Will Goode remain a Constitutionalist after he loses, or will he be like all the other 3rd partier loser candidates and crawl back to the Republican party after they used the 3rd party come 2013?. You pro-Goode/anti-Romney people expect me to distrust Romney and trust a guy who has jumped party more times than Arlen Spector? Isn’t Virgil Goode a classic example of the “typical politician” you guys despise so much, who will say and do anything to get elected?

But I’m not voting for Virgil Goode, I don’t like him either, so that’s a straw man.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Pew poll: Romney takes four-point lead among likely voters

20% say Obama won debate; 72% Romney

Poll gives republican plus 5 advantage. Was previously plus 10 democrat. What is going on?

Mitt Romney leading Barack Obama in absentee ballots in Fla - but is it enough?

According to the website American Majority Action, that gathers absentee ballots counts from the college professors who track them….

The five largest counties in Ohio have all shifted at least 6 percent (and as much as 27 percent) to the Republicans since 2008. While the polls show an Obama lead, these real votes (assuming voters registered in a party vote for their candidate) demonstrate a significant Republican shift since 2008.

Romney cuts into Obama’s early voter advantage

Politico / Gwu poll

Democrat plus 8 oversample. 85% of poll done before debate

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Was that really because of the Constitutional Party, or just Tom Tancredo.

As for Virgil Goode, the man has been a Democrat, an Independent, a Republican and just conveniently a Constitutionalist since the last Primary Election…Will Goode remain a Constitutionalist after he loses, or will he be like all the other 3rd partier loser candidates and crawl back to the Republican party after they used the 3rd party come 2013?. You pro-Goode/anti-Romney people expect me to distrust Romney and trust a guy who has jumped party more times than Arlen Spector?

1. I’d encourage you to watch at least some of this 6 part speech by Tom Tancredo. Tell me that that isn’t an honest man who honestly is fed up with the Republican Party.
   And if you listen to all of the videos, Tancredo spills some real insider-secrets of how corrupt the strongarming is to force Representatives to vote the party line.
   youtube.com/watch?v=6YN-X1kUnhQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL30E97E0EA1B2D2BB
2. Virgil Goode has had a consistent ideology his whole life. The reason he switched parties from Democrat to Independent and later to Republican is because the Democrats hated him so much. He was very isolated as a Democrat… the term you might use is: “persona non grata”

Listen to this video, and answer me this: does Virgil Goode sound like a man of unchanging principles (like Ron Paul), or like Benedict Arlen Specter?
youtube.com/watch?v=WCeC-Rx3SB0

The views of Virgil Goode were practically made for the Constitutional Party. I think that right now, is the first time in his life where he has almost no conflict between his own beliefs and those of his party’s. He ran as an independent when he was 27 years old, and chose to join the Democrats after that election. But, he’s been an independent his whole life.

Have you done any background research on Virgil Goode’s politics? Because it doesn’t sound like you have:
"austenboston:

Isn’t Virgil Goode a classic example of the “typical politician” you guys despise so much, who will say and do anything to get elected?

No. He’s not.

P.S.

**You **pro-Goode/anti-Romney people expect me to distrust Romney …

Don’t use the term “you people”. Come on man. I mean, come on.

MMMMMMM… I feel so blessed to have the word “y’all” in my nick of the woods. :tiphat:

 

[rlg94086]

1. I’d encourage you to watch at least some of this 6 part speech by Tom Tancredo. Tell me that that isn’t an honest man who honestly is fed up with the Republican Party.
   And if you listen to all of the videos, Tancredo spills some real insider-secrets of how corrupt the strongarming is to force Representatives to vote the party line.
   youtube.com/watch?v=6YN-X1kUnhQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL30E97E0EA1B2D2BB
2. Virgil Goode has had a consistent ideology his whole life. The reason he switched parties from Democrat to Independent and later to Republican is because the Democrats hated him so much. He was very isolated as a Democrat… the term you might use is: “persona non grata”

Listen to this video, and answer me this: does Virgil Goode sound like a man of unchanging principles (like Ron Paul), or like Benedict Arlen Specter?
youtube.com/watch?v=WCeC-Rx3SB0

The views of Virgil Goode were practically made for the Constitutional Party. I think that right now, is the first time in his life where he has almost no conflict between his own beliefs and those of his party’s. He ran as an independent when he was 27 years old, and chose to join the Democrats after that election. But, he’s been an independent his whole life.

Have you done any background research on Virgil Goode’s politics? Because it doesn’t sound like you have:

No. He’s not.

P.S.

Don’t use the term “you people”. Come on man. I mean, come on.

Virgil Goode is absolutely electable, as am I. He just needs to get the majority of electoral college votes. Good luck with that. My prediction is he will get approximately 0.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I feel so blessed to have the word “y’all” in my nick of the woods. :tiphat:

I bet.

In Italian, there are distinct words for you and you all. It just makes better sense.

 

[austenbosten]

1. I’d encourage you to watch at least some of this 6 part speech by Tom Tancredo. Tell me that that isn’t an honest man who honestly is fed up with the Republican Party.
   And if you listen to all of the videos, Tancredo spills some real insider-secrets of how corrupt the strongarming is to force Representatives to vote the party line.
   youtube.com/watch?v=6YN-X1kUnhQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL30E97E0EA1B2D2BB

Except he became a Republican again the next year.

And no, for a man who attacked Holy Father by accusing him of “encouraging illegal immigration to boost Catholic numbers” when all the Pope expressed was that immigrants be treated humanely is not what I would consider an honorable man.

Once again Tom Tancredo is another guy willing to swap to any political party when it’s convenient for him to do so.

does Virgil Goode sound like a man of unchanging principles (like Ron Paul), or like Benedict Arlen Specter?
youtube.com/watch?v=WCeC-Rx3SB0

Don’t think I don’t like Virgil Goode, I do, but he doesn’t have a chance of winning and he knows it. However if he sticks it out with the Constitutional Party after the election, I’ll still have respect for him, if not and he switches back to the Republican party, I’ll have the same amount of respect for him as I do Tom Tancredo…which is very little.

Also please don’t give me the Ron Paul is an honorable man routine. Ron Paul is a fake plain and simple. Sure he talks a good game, but throughout his 20 years as a Congressman he has done little to nothing, except give his district huge earmarks and get a majority of the House to support the bill to the point it will pass via majority so Ron Paul can vote NAY and turn to his constituents and say “See I don’t support big government or earmarks”

For example, in 2010, Paul asked for $4.5 million for the annual youth fair in Wharton County, Texas, population 41,000, records show. Events include the “chicken chase,” “bull blowout,” the “wee folks pet show,” and the “princess pageant.”

He also asked for $8.8 million over three years for something called the “Vanadium Safety Readiness Project.” And he asked for $2.5 million for a “streetscape” in Baytown, Tex., population, 71,000, including “landscaped sidewalks, benches, trash cans, bike racks and decorative street lighting.” He asked for $2.5 million for the Revelation Baptist Church and $1 million for the Kendleton, Tex. RV Park to “enhance tourism.”

Certainly, worthy projects, all.

In a debate on Dec. 29, 2011, Paul defended his record on earmarks. “They take our money and our highway funds, and we have every right to apply for them back,” he said, adding that Congress is out out of control on earmarks. “I never voted for an earmark, but I do argue for the people I represent to get their money back.”

The moderator asked him, “Aren’t you trying to have your cake and eating it too?”

“You’re missing the point,” he said.

Yes Rep. Paul you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

The views of Virgil Goode were practically made for the Constitutional Party. I think that right now, is the first time in his life where he has almost no conflict between his own beliefs and those of his party’s. He ran as an independent when he was 27 years old, and chose to join the Democrats after that election. But, he’s been an independent his whole life.

Like I said, if he sticks with the party and doesn’t use it, like so many others. I will keep my respect for him.

Don’t use the term “you people”. Come on man. I mean, come on.

MMMMMMM… I feel so blessed to have the word “y’all” in my nick of the woods. :tiphat:

Speaking of cake…

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Virgil Goode is absolutely electable, as am I. He just needs to get the majority of electoral college votes. Good luck with that. My prediction is he will get approximately 0.

Virgil Goode!

 

[SuperLuigi]

And no, for a man who attacked Holy Father by accusing him of “encouraging illegal immigration to boost Catholic numbers” when all the Pope expressed was that immigrants be treated humanely is not what I would consider an honorable man.

It would be more appropriate and I think fair to ask the Vatican how they view Islamic immigration to West-Central Europe.

The least of non-Catholic Christian problems is that of naturally growing Catholic numbers. Their own houses of worship are corrupt and divided amidst the turbulent winds of secularism.

Immigrants should be treated humanely, but anyone on here who thinks the Southern border is all about hard-working Catholic families struggling to come here is deluded to say the least.

Al quedia literature has been found in the desert, the violence along the border rivals that of war-time border conditions between England and Scotland, hundreds if not thousands of people are smuggled into this country against their will, the drug cartels are always on the move, and there have been previously been rumors of Chinese spies circulating the border.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Don’t use the term “you people”. Come on man. I mean, come on.

The not-Romney voters will rue that day if the president is re-elected.

 

[austenbosten]

It would be more appropriate and I think fair to ask the Vatican how they view Islamic immigration to West-Central Europe.

The least of non-Catholic Christian problems is that of naturally growing Catholic numbers. Their own houses of worship are corrupt and divided amidst the turbulent winds of secularism.

Immigrants should be treated humanely, but anyone on here who thinks the Southern border is all about hard-working Catholic families struggling to come here is deluded to say the least.

Al quedia literature has been found in the desert, the violence along the border rivals that of war-time border conditions between England and Scotland, hundreds if not thousands of people are smuggled into this country against their will, the drug cartels are always on the move, and there have been previously been rumors of Chinese spies circulating the border.

The Pope is not advocating wide-open boarders with a Hispanic migration free-for-all. He’s talking about immigrants universally and yes he has talked about the poor treatment some immigrants from N Africa have received by Italy. The Pope is in no way telling America to allow illegal immigration or to flood the gates.

 

[RACJ]

The not-Romney voters will rue that day if the president is re-elected.

As will those who actually VOTE for Obama. He has a one-world socialist nightmare in store for us from which we will be unable to awaken. This is really our final chance to save America.

 

[katcecelia]

Obama. He has a one-world socialist nightmare in store for us from which we will be unable to awaken. This is really our final chance to save America.

 

[RACJ]

May I just say to the Virgil Goode supporters, WE NEED YOUR VOTE FOR ROMNEY TO SAVE AMERICA. Romney is a 1000X better human being than Obama. The horrors which will transpire after an Obama re-election will be the fault of EVERYONE who does not grasp the magnitude of the moment. PLEASE think about this! PLEASE!!! Rob

 

[SuperLuigi]

The Pope is not advocating wide-open boarders with a Hispanic migration free-for-all. He’s talking about immigrants universally and yes he has talked about the poor treatment some immigrants from N Africa have received by Italy. The Pope is in no way telling America to allow illegal immigration or to flood the gates.

I am well aware of the Catholic’s teaching between the right of immigration and the sovereign right of nations to protect their borders.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

May I just say to the Virgil Goode supporters, WE NEED YOUR VOTE FOR ROMNEY TO SAVE AMERICA. Romney is a 1000X better human being than Obama. The horrors which will transpire after an Obama re-election will be the fault of EVERYONE who does not grasp the magnitude of the moment. PLEASE think about this! PLEASE!!! Rob

Oh really? Romney supports the Patriot Act. Are you fine with the government spying on you without a warrant? Romney is fine with the TSA. Are you fine with having your personal space violated by the government just to board a plane? Romney would have signed the NDAA. Are you find with the the government being able to detain whomever it wants and for whatever reason? Romney supports the Federal Reserve. Are you fine with your savings having lost 95% of their value since the Fed started? Romney thinks Paul Ryan’s plan to trim the debt is too extreme. Do you think that 30 years down the road is too soon to start paying down the government’s debt? Romney doesn’t want to just get rid of Obamacare, he wants to “repeal and replace” and notice he never says a bad word about his program (which has been a complete failure). Romney has no problem with our sanctions against Iran which are starving innocent people. Same goes with Cuba and other embargoes we have against other countries. Romney has said nothing bad about drone attacks which kill innocent people and are callously regarded as “collateral damage”.

So Romney is against Obama on abortion. Tell me, does that ONE THING ALONE make you ignore everything else and cast a vote for him? Let me tell you, even though he’s a superior option, he’s marginally superior, and so IMO, I cannot vote for the man.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Also, Romney definitely wants tighter sanctions against Iran.

platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/Oil/6678841

What to do when you don’t like the leaders of a country? Attack the innocents, apparently.

 

[ishii]

Oh really? Romney supports the Patriot Act. Are you fine with the government spying on you without a warrant? Romney is fine with the TSA. Are you fine with having your personal space violated by the government just to board a plane? Romney would have signed the NDAA. Are you find with the the government being able to detain whomever it wants and for whatever reason? Romney supports the Federal Reserve. Are you fine with your savings having lost 95% of their value since the Fed started? Romney thinks Paul Ryan’s plan to trim the debt is too extreme. Do you think that 30 years down the road is too soon to start paying down the government’s debt? Romney doesn’t want to just get rid of Obamacare, he wants to “repeal and replace” and notice he never says a bad word about his program (which has been a complete failure). Romney has no problem with our sanctions against Iran which are starving innocent people. Same goes with Cuba and other embargoes we have against other countries. Romney has said nothing bad about drone attacks which kill innocent people and are callously regarded as “collateral damage”.

So Romney is against Obama on abortion. Tell me, does that ONE THING ALONE make you ignore everything else and cast a vote for him? Let me tell you, even though he’s a superior option, he’s marginally superior, and so IMO, I cannot vote for the man.

You seriously offer up the TSA guys at the airport as an issue of similar moral gravity to millions of abortions? Are you aware that Romney doesn’t want to impose any kind of federal healthcare system such as Obama care but allow states to decide for themselves what system they want?

" Sorry millions of unborn - but I am more concerned about the TSA guys at the airport, economic sanctions against Iran, drones and don’t think Romney will go far enough to cut spending even with Paul Ryan as vice president than voting to help protect you all."

Is that what you’re saying? Correct me if I’m wrong of course.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

Also, Romney definitely wants tighter sanctions against Iran.

platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/Oil/6678841

What to do when you don’t like the leaders of a country? Attack the innocents, apparently.

No, you try to keep a rogue country led by radical Islamists from developing a nuclear weapon and using it to annihilate millions of innocents in Israel. Or do you think that the country whose leader said he wants to “wipe Israel off the map” be in charge of a nuclear weapon?

Ishii

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Except he became a Republican again the next year.

And no, for a man who attacked Holy Father by accusing him of “encouraging illegal immigration to boost Catholic numbers” when all the Pope expressed was that immigrants be treated humanely is not what I would consider an honorable man.

Once again Tom Tancredo is another guy willing to swap to any political party when it’s convenient for him to do so.

Don’t think I don’t like Virgil Goode, I do, but he doesn’t have a chance of winning and he knows it. However if he sticks it out with the Constitutional Party after the election, I’ll still have respect for him, if not and he switches back to the Republican party, I’ll have the same amount of respect for him as I do Tom Tancredo…which is very little.

Also please don’t give me the Ron Paul is an honorable man routine. Ron Paul is a fake plain and simple.

Like I said, if he sticks with the party and doesn’t use it, like so many others. I will keep my respect for him.

Hatred of Ron Paul much?

I’ll note, just so we’re clear that my mention of Ron Paul in my post caused you to respond with 293 words. I mentioned him in passing, in parenthesis, with 3 words (like Ron Paul).

Hatred of Ron Paul much? The man was my 3rd choice in the primaries. Yet it seems the mere mention of his name will coax a vicious personal attack on the man’s character out of you.

1. I never called Tom Tancredo honorable. I know what he said about the Holy Fazah, Pope Benedict. I said he was honest. He didn’t just join the Constitution Party out of political convenience. That’s clear in the 6 videos that you evidently did not watch. He became a Republican again because in his words “it’s the only game in town”, and he’s right.
2. Don’t think you don’t like Virgil Goode? That’s seriously news to me in regards to your last post. In your last post you put him in the same boat as -]Judas Iscariot/-]!!! cough Benedict Arlen… es’cuse me. Well… ec’cuse me.

Anyways, your opinion of both Virgil Goode, and Tom Tancredo seem very simplistic to me. They seem to rely solely on their party loyalty… something which neither man values very highly. The lack of party loyalty doesn’t mean the absence of a rigid adherence to a singular set of moral principles throughout the entirety of a person’s life. And the adamant and stalwart nature of their political principles has caused both men to be despised by the party leadership. Just read the Wikipedia entries or any other background information, party leadership has hated these men because of their refusal to compromise their principles for the sake of towing the party line.

Once more, You’re the one that asked me, “Isn’t this guy the kind of typical flip flop politician who does what he wants for his own political expediency? Isn’t this guy a typical career politician?”

You’re the one asking me. And my answer is: No, he is not. Do the research. He’s not. Don’t lump him in the same boat as Benedict Arlen. Changing parties shouldn’t be the “be all, end all” of how to judge the convictions of a political candidate. And yet you are making it be.

1. FYI, rolling your eyes is rude. Is it charitable? No.:nope: Is it condescending? Yes. :sad_yes:

 

[_Abyssinia]

More polls: Romney now within three points in Michigan, two in Pennsylvania