Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

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How do you all feel the VP debate went last night? I caught only the last half hour or so. On one hand, I was impressed hearing one Catholic (Ryan) stand up for life while the other tried to have it both ways, but on the other hand, there’s still those exceptions that make it sound like abortion is a punishment for women who willingly have sex.

Also, I wanted to ask all the gung-ho Romney supporters if you don’t think voting for him when, in an ideal world, he is not the best candidate (since no such thing exists) is an example of “the end justifying the means”? The end being that Obama and his anti-life policies go away, while the means being voting for a candidate who isn’t necessarily the best option morally speaking. I ask bc I started out very undecided between Romney and Goode, then after reading through everyone’s feedback, I started leaning towards Romney BUT only because I thought the end would justify the means. Now I’m stumped again:confused:
 
anilorak13ska said:
How do you all feel the VP debate went last night? I caught only the last half hour or so. On one hand, I was impressed hearing one Catholic (Ryan) stand up for life while the other tried to have it both ways, but on the other hand, there’s still those exceptions that make it sound like abortion is a punishment for women who willingly have sex.

Also, I wanted to ask all the gung-ho Romney supporters if you don’t think voting for him when, in an ideal world, he is not the best candidate (since no such thing exists) is an example of “the end justifying the means”? The end being that Obama and his anti-life policies go away, while the means being voting for a candidate who isn’t necessarily the best option morally speaking. I ask bc I started out very undecided between Romney and Goode, then after reading through everyone’s feedback, I started leaning towards Romney BUT only because I thought the end would justify the means. Now I’m stumped again:confused:
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There is a whole thread on the VP debate, lots of back and forth there.

I too take an “ends justify the means” approach, but live in a highly contentious swing state (MO). I might take a protest vote stance if I lived in a locked in Blue or Red state.

I vote for the person who will do the most good, and is electable. There is no “ends” if your candidate doesn’t win.
 
scipio337 said:
I too take an “ends justify the means” approach, but live in a highly contentious swing state (MO). I might take a protest vote stance if I lived in a locked in Blue or Red state.
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Not to judge, but I don’t see that meshing with Catholic ethical teaching. Evil for the sake of good is still evil.
 
anilorak13ska said:
How do you all feel the VP debate went last night? I caught only the last half hour or so. On one hand, I was impressed hearing one Catholic (Ryan) stand up for life while the other tried to have it both ways, but on the other hand, there’s still those exceptions that make it sound like abortion is a punishment for women who willingly have sex.

Also, I wanted to ask all the gung-ho Romney supporters if you don’t think voting for him when, in an ideal world, he is not the best candidate (since no such thing exists) is an example of “the end justifying the means”? The end being that Obama and his anti-life policies go away, while the means being voting for a candidate who isn’t necessarily the best option morally speaking. I ask bc I started out very undecided between Romney and Goode, then after reading through everyone’s feedback, I started leaning towards Romney BUT only because I thought the end would justify the means. Now I’m stumped again:confused:
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There is already a thread for that. 🙂
 
qui_est_ce said:
He is saying vote for the LESSER evil, which is acceptable with Catholic teaching.
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But if there are several candidates who are less “evil” than either Obama or Romney, wouldn’t the correct thing to do be to vote for one of them, regardless of their chances of winning?

I may be off on this, but I think the ethical dilemma of having to choose between the lesser of two evils refers to situations in which a choice must be made, and two different evils are the only options presented. In the case of voting, there is no force involved, and there are better candidates out there.

Barring the states that do not allow for 3-rd party voting or write-in candidates, it could be said that people who are voting for Romney (even if they don’t really like him) are not truly voting the lesser of the two evils, but are simply voting for the lesser of the two evils that has a better chance of winning.

Perhaps this is the exact reason why only two candidates ever have a shot - because people refuse to vote outside the box? It is in fact we the voters who are creating this problem.
 
Mitt Romney heading for a landslide win

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Battleground State Polls: Where are We Today?

Romney Leads Obama in Nevada, Based on Recent Dane & Associates Poll
With the election less than one month away, Mitt Romney leads by 3 points over President Obama in the key battleground state of Nevada. Just prior to the debate in Colorado both candidates increased their presence in Nevada. Mitt Romney opened offices in Hispanic areas of Las Vegas while President Obama personally delivered pizza to his volunteers.
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Obama is now suffering the fallout of last week’s debate, which is demonstrated in a recent poll conducted by Dane & Associates. Just a week ago, this race was a dead heat, but now after the debate, Romney has moved to 49% to Obama’s 46%. “It looks like the voters are making up their minds here in Nevada ,” says Tony Dane president of Dane & Associates. “Only 3 percent are undecided and 2% are voting for 3rd party candidates.”
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Romney 48% to Obama 47% in Colorado Quinnipiac poll

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Beware Nevada Polls

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Gabrial Malor writes for the New York Daily News:

Source: Obama is hemorrhaging massively and abandoning NC, VA, and FL. CO or NV to be face triage next depending on the next week

— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) October 13, 2012
 
Poll: Romney leads Obama in Maine congressional district
According to a new poll shared exclusively with POLITICO, Mitt Romney is leading President Obama in a congressional district in Maine — raising the possibility of the gop nominee winning an electoral vote in a deep blue state.
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The live-call poll, conducted by Glen Bolger of NMB Research and provided to politico by American Crossroads communications director Jonathan Collegio, shows Obama winning statewide 48 percent to 44 percent.
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That result already puts Romney in a surprisingly competitive position in a nominally blue state.
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But in Maine’s second congressional district, Romney actually tops Obama 49 percent to 44 percent.
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In most states, that such a result wouldn’t mean much. But Maine is one of two states in the country that splits its electoral college vote by congressional district.
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Romney seeks Ohio votes as obama preps for debate
Republicans Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan went back to school on Saturday to rally college students in all corners of all-important Ohio and hammer at President Barack Obama for going easy on China over unfair trade practices that they said are costing American jobs. Obama took precious time off the campaign trail to practice for the next debate against his GOP rival.
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It was an unspoken acknowledgment of the importance that Obama attaches to upping his game in Debate No.2 that the president is largely dropping out of sight for five straight days in the final weeks of the race to prepare for Tuesday’s encounter in Hempstead, N .Y.
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Rep. Walden: Obama Will Be on the Attack in Tuesday Debate
President Barack Obama will come out aggressively in his next debate with Mitt Romney on Tuesday, Rep. Greg Walden of Oregon told Newsmax.TV.
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Walden, who serves as the Deputy Majority Whip and chairman of the House Republican Leadership, said Obama will be “attacking anybody he can because he really can’t defend the policies of his own administration that has left the economy in a bit of a train wreck and driven up deficits to record levels, $16 trillion in debt.”
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He added: “When your policies have been that bad of a failure, the tendency is to strike out and attack others who weren’t part of your policies and try and divert attention away from your own shortcomings.”
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If Romney wins and the GOP keeps control of the House, Walden said Romney’s skills as a leader will help bring both sides together to get things done.
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The Obama Challenge
Anyone who knows Obama understands that he likes being the underdog and will most likely deliver a rousing performance at Hofstra University. Obama is certainly aware that another emotional no-show will doom him. In Denver, he looked like he spent the pre-debate hours at a medical marijuana shop.
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But the “town hall” debate format on Tuesday gives a slight advantage to Romney. The candidates will field questions from undecided voters selected by the Gallup organization. After the question is posed, Obama and Romney will have two minutes to answer it. The moderator, Candy Crowley, a CNN correspondent, will then jump in to “facilitate a discussion.”
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What this means is simple: The regular person asking the question will most likely frame it in a general way allowing the candidates to pretty much say whatever they want.
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For example:
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Question: “My cousin Otis has been unemployed for eight years. How can you get him a job?”
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Answer (President Obama): “If Otis had worked at an American car company, he’d be employed today because I saved that industry.”
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Answer (Mitt Romney): "I had a cousin named Otis, too, and when I turned the Olympics around, I gave him a job.
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You get the idea.
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What will most likely happen during the town hall is that Obama will hearken back to the first debate and list all the “lies” he and his handlers believe Romney told. Only he won’t call them “lies.” He’ll imply that and try to paint the governor as a charlatan who changes positions the way Lady GaGa changes costumes.
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But the governor should easily be able to counter because he has to know what’s coming. All he has to do is watch MSNBC, which chronicles his “lies” daily. So Romney will most likely retort with the old Reaganism: “There you go again.” He can’t actually say that, but he’ll use words to that effect and continue portraying the president as a clueless socialist.
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In the end, the town hall debate will be less punchy than the Denver back and forth. The smart money is predicting a draw, with both candidates bloviating at will. It will be almost impossible to pin them down.
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Next up: foreign policy in Boca Raton, Fla. With the Libyan fiasco hot in the news, that debate could be quite a challenge for the president.
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What does O’reilly mean by the ‘candidates will field questions.’ Do Romney and Obama get to know what the questions are before the debate?
Romney spent nearly four hours Saturday morning at a hotel outside Columbus preparing for Tuesday’s debate showdown with Obama in Hempstead, N.Y. He returns to Massachusetts in the evening but first makes two campaign stops in Ohio.
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Tampa_Dave said:
The last two lines in this article:

"I predict the same result: Mitt Romney will win in a landslide. If I’m wrong, God help the United States of America".

Truer words were never spoken.
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Yep. I pray for our country every day.
 
Rasmussen: Romney surging in Florida, nc

Exclusive poll: Obama’s support among Hispanic voters eroding
A caveat is in order. The report doesn’t include the poll data, so we can’t see the modeling, and it also doesn’t include the top-line number — which I assume the TB Times wants to hold for tomorrow. However, the poll comes from the respected Mason-Dixon polling firm, which means that this is no GOP-consultancy push poll, and has to be taken with some seriousness.
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That makes this very bad news for Obama. It’s possible for Mitt Romney to win Florida without winning Hispanics, but it’s got to be nearly impossible for a Democrat to do it. And a nine-point drop in one poll series is a very significant change, especially in a single month. With this kind of movement in this demographic, I’m assuming that Mason-Dixon will be reporting something pretty positive for Mitt Romney, who has had leads in the latest Florida polling this month.
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And that prompts another question — if indeed Hispanics are moving away from Obama in Florida, what are they doing in other states?
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Obama, Romney nearly tied in Electoral College

Colorado Swings Towards Romney

New poll of polls: Romney leads Obama in all 10 latest polls

Latinos less certain than others about voting, Pew survey says
 
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