Priest can not stand me

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You know, after all of this, and reflecting on Romans 8, it seems a rude priest wouldn’t even scratch the surface of our peace, but then it occurred to me. I am quite a person to lecture on rude priests, as once I was so angry with one that for several years I was hoping he would die so I could desecrate his grave. Eventually I one-upped myself and started telling myself he wasn’t worth it, and I wouldn’t desecrate his grave if it required walking more than 20 feet out of my way. That was my pride, knowing I didn’t want to do such a thing, and coming up with an excuse to back off my threat without losing that good ol’ pride.

Note that this is from a man who lost his sanity and career, and raised six children in poverty because at a very delicate time in my life, a priest was so mean to me (a priest who is well known across the diocese for his meanness and for breaking promises he makes to people) that right after he screamed at me to get out and stay out I ran out of the cathedral so fast I was literally tripping over my own feet. On the way out I spat upon the cornerstone, saying, “I will shake the dust off my feet.” By the time I got to the car about 60 feet away I repented and drove directly to my ex-pastor’s retirement apartment, got on my knees on his living room floor, and asked if I had excommunicated myself and he said I did not. I asked if he would forgive me for spitting on the cathedral, and he said he could not – because I had not sinned. I am SOOO glad that I went to him because within a few hours I was captured and locked up against my will in a psychiatric ward. That was on June 8, 2001. First I heard of the “spiritual journey” was on July 11, 2001, when I first met with a spiritual director and began this ten year road to sanity, the Lord having seen fit to restore my mind better than before. It seemed like hell at first, then purgatory for almost 10 years, and now it’s nothing but peace, joy, and a sensation of profound freedom of mind and heart. And guess who I have to thank for it? That mean priest. For the first time since 6/8/01, I think I can honestly say, “Thank you, Father C. You will never know how much you’ve done for me.” Oh, and get this: a couple months after my lockup, just before he retired, the outgoing bishop promoted Father C to monsignor because the bishop liked his writing. Who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor? Actually he does write well, and now he’s retired but I still read his column in the weekly diocese newspaper about the week’s scriptures.

Wow. Wow. All of a sudden I don’t want him to die any more. Plus I feel a call to do something kind for him or for someone else on his behalf. Maybe I just did. 🤷

“Lord, thank you for Father C. I pray that he lives in ever increasing peace, both now and after he dies. I am sorry for what I have thought about him, but You knew what was to come and I didn’t and now I see how silly I was being. Now that you’ve revealed your plan for me, to me, I am absolutely in awe of Your power and mercy. I thank you for my life as well as that of everyone else in the creation, for this beautiful garden of life that you have given us.”

I wonder if the Tree of Knowledge was actually a manifestation of Christ? It was like in the matrix, take the blue pill or the red pill. Adam chose the “red pill,” just as I hope I would opt for Truth over Comfort.

Along those same lines, consider what is “real” and what isn’t. Our minds can make all the difference in how the world appears to us, even though the appearance doesn’t always change for others when it changes for us. I have a great deal of experience at my mind looking at the same world as others, or the same world I’d seen before, but it looks, sounds, smells, and feels totally different. (There are some advantages to having been psychotic.) I feel very strongly that our reality is what we make it – and at some level what our mind chooses that reality to be.

Alan
 
The more I think about this the more I want to shout, “please don’t do it!!”

You already know it isn’t personal against you. You already know he is driving away the sheep to where they are even going to want to come feed here. The priest is dead, spiritually. He knows everything, he does everything, and maybe even believes everything he is supposed to know, but there is still an obstacle for him to realize the unconditional love that will bring all of that to life. He truly doesn’t know. Intellectually, he understands all about peace and joy from Christ which, unlike the peace and joy the world can give, are unconditional. But he has never experienced that truth or he would not behave this way.

This guy needs help. He’s given his whole life to the Church, and his spiritual life has yet to provide him any significant consolations or whatever, so that his hope for a better life is probably very low. Most likely he sees this as all there is and he is as at the top of his career, as far as he’s going to go, and it isn’t as rewarding to him as he was sure it would be. It just isn’t paying off for him. How would you like to work all your life and never get paid?
Alan, I think you are making a huge projection onto someone you have never met.
You dont know anything, ANYTHING, about this priest. All you know is the very few posts Pat_MC has made. We know nothing factual. Only what Pat has shared has been his experience.

To say that this priest is spiritually dead is just so completely and totally unjust. We know nothing and can not make any judgements based on Pat_MC’s post.

You have to be careful about taking your personal history and experiences and overlaying them on someone elses.

It’s not wise, and it’s not just. 😦
 
Alan, I think you are making a huge projection onto someone you have never met.
You dont know anything, ANYTHING, about this priest. All you know is the very few posts Pat_MC has made. We know nothing factual. Only what Pat has shared has been his experience.
Exactly. I don’t even know if this priest exists, or if it is a hypothetical priest in pat’s mind … or if it’s on behalf of a friend and he’s relaying the messages between us and him.

If a person has behaved in the manner Pat says, then I have some conclusions. But like with anything I think I’ve discovered, though, I am ALWAYS open for correction, even if the Church and everyone I know agrees with me. (I’m not saying she does, but if she did.)

Honestly, if you have an open enough mind – like when life cracks it open – you will realize that if we get truly absolute about it, none of us can actually prove to ourselves or each other that we even exist, much less that we know anything about a poster on the Internet. At some point you have to agree on an initial set of axioms, or there can be no meaningful discussion at all.
To say that this priest is spiritually dead is just so completely and totally unjust. We know nothing and can not make any judgements based on Pat_MC’s post.
OK, I won’t judge an actual priest. I have constructed a mental image of the priest based on pat’s description. That is the entity that I am suggesting needs to wake up. Maybe it applies to a particular priest; maybe not.
You have to be careful about taking your personal history and experiences and overlaying them on someone elses.
I appreciate the warning, and you are right. I am extremely careful. That’s why I am so anal retentive about details that may interfere with my conclusions.

In this case it may come across to you that I have not been careful, but I am willing and able to examine this any way you need me to examine it with you.

You know what? Marie, can we have a trial friendship? There is something really honest about your writing. Hang with me for a while and I think we could elp each other grow. Clearly we’ve had different experiences, but I like the way you write and I think we could communicate well despite our differences. Maybe those differences will fade in time, both in reality and perception.
It’s not wise, and it’s not just. 😦
So are you saying you believe I have been unwise and/or unjust, or are you making a statement about careless accusations so that I may examine myself whether I need to change?

Alan
 
So are you saying you believe I have been unwise and/or unjust, or are you making a statement about careless accusations so that I may examine myself whether I need to change?

Alan
A general statement about careless accusations.
We all do it from time to time. 🙂
 
Christmas was a Turing point he was very rude towards me and told me I needed to be straighten out because** I questioned him on how he likes to process in and out of church.**
I was pulled before all that happen. I was a volunteer for the Christmas Masses when he decided to be a jerk towards me. So I decided he if you don’t need me I guess I’ll go.
You tried to tell the priest how to do the mass!!!??? I can see why there’s a problem. I’m sorry that things are changing and you aren’t adapting to this new priest, but I don’t think you should complain about him. He has a right to run the mass the way he wants.
 
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Hes been with us since late summer. This attitude came out of no where while I was gone for a month for work. I came back and he was a whole different person.
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Christmas was a Turing point he was very rude towards me and told me I needed to be straighten out because I questioned him on how he likes to process in and out of church
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His attitude came before I questioned him.
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found it funny before his attitude came anytime I tried to discus an issue with him he seemed annoyed by me. In person I hardly talk I’m quiet and I stay out of the way. One day I question him and I’m gone. Its all to fishy.
To the OP, please take a step back and a deep breadth. You are really contradicting yourself as to your explanations. I know of many priests who are uncomfortable with parishioners who feel like the own the parish and are in control of certain aspects. You come across this way when you make statments like “I demand…” and “We don’t really know what his deal is”. It is the people who are heavily involved in the parish, through volunteering, who have the most difficult time with change of pastors.

Be humble, be thankful you have a priest, and go back to being a simple parishioner. No need for a letter, or anything like that. Just back off quiestly.

God bless,
 
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