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Nope. But they are biased, VERY biased. I mean…they make fox news, cnn, and BBC look good.
So… we’re just supposed to take your word for it? :confused:

Sorry, unless you can provide some PROOF that LifeSite provides inaccurate or flat-out wrong news, I don’t buy it.

Are they biased? Sure. There’s no such thing as an unbiased media source. But a news source can be biased and still be a source of legitimate news.
 
So… we’re just supposed to take your word for it? :confused:

Sorry, unless you can provide some PROOF that LifeSite provides inaccurate or flat-out wrong news, I don’t buy it.

Are they biased? Sure. There’s no such thing as an unbiased media source. But a news source can be biased and still be a source of legitimate news.
I never said they lied.
🤷

I said they wre biased, very biased, and they are.
🙂
 
Priest/Catholic U President: “Abortion is Not an Infallible Teaching”

I’ve had conversations (both viva voce and on here) who have said that this, that, or the other teaching is not “defined”, and therefore not infallible.

I said that this leads to a dangerous fundamentalism, saying that the only infallible dogmatic teachings are those defined by councils or by the pope ex cathedra. We can see where such fundamentalism leads in this priest’s statement.

Just because abortion is not one of these does not mean that the Church does not have an infallible and binding moral teaching on it.
 
I don’t think the issue of the OP is whether the site is or is not a reliable news source. The OP tried to draw our attention that a priest at a Catholic University allegedly made this statement.

Having worked with religious orders and in several dioceses I know from personal experience that it is very common for the chancery to avoid contacting press with such small circulation, because it only attracts the attention of the larger news agencies. That just makes matters worse.

Someone said that the priest and the bishop are both religious. The article does not mention that and there are no religious initials behind the priest’s name. The way it is printed would suggest that he is a secular priest.

If he is a secular priest there are two things that will probably happen. First the chancellor of the university will ask the university to look into the matter. Once he gets his information, then he can file a formal complaint with the priest’s bishop.

Any priest or religious assigned to a university is not automatically part of the diocese in which the university exists. No Catholic University is ever part of a diocese. There are three types of Catholic Universities: secular, religious and pontifical. The local bishop has not jurisdiction over a university in his diocese or over the priests and religioius stationed at the university. However, often the local bishop is the Chancellor of any Catholic University that is secular or pontifical.

My guess is that since the local bishop is the chancellor, the university is secular or pontifical. The inquiry has to go through those channels. The usual policy in the Church is that neither the university or the chancellor give out any information to the laity on their investigations and their actions.

If the allegations are true, the university has the right to file a complaint with the bishop of the priest. If the priest is a religious, he does not answer to any bishop. He answers to a religious superior. The complaint is filed there. It is up to the bishop or the religioius superior to determine if there are consequences and what they are.

University chancellors cannot fire or hire. Their function is to ensure that the university is consistent with its philosophy of education. The President of the university and the faculty senate can hire and fire, as long as the priest does not have tenure.

Since this priest is the vice-chancellor, he most likely has tenure. That creates another legal complication. He can be suspended from the university. The university can ask for his resignation. But he does not have to submmit it. You can only lose tenure if you break a law. Academic differences are not considered legal.

Given how complicated this gets, it is little wonder that the chancery does not want to call attention of the larger news agencies. This has to proceed through certain legal channels and investigations and this process can take months and can draw some very nasty attention to the Church and to Catholic education. This is why Church authorities and authorities of religious communities prefer to deal with these issues without telling anyone what they are doing.

Only when the news hits a large news services such as Reuters or AP do the Church authorities make a statement. By that time the cow is out of the barn and you have to say something.

To avoid a larger scandal, it is better for the local university and Church authorities not to say anything within hearing distance of the laity. They do not want the laity involved, because it makes matters worse. It is easier to quietly reprimand someone or give more serious consequences, if they are appropriate when you don’t have the masses at your door.

One thing that is important here is to determine if the priest was making an academic statement or a moral statement. Let us not forget what happened to Benedict XVI when he spoke academically and quoted an ancient emperror concerning Islam. It was taken out of context by the press and it offended the Muslims to no end.

It is best to let them deal with it quickly and quietly to the degree that it deserves attention.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Just because you think all the others are unreliable, doesn’t mean LifeSite is infallible and amazing. They twist every story they get, even more than the ‘MSM’.
A grave charge against a Christian news source. Give examples and proof please.
 
Who cares if LifeSite News is a reliable news source or not - either he said it or he didn’t. There must be some way of finding that out. Maybe the Bishop should ask. It seems important enough, doesn’t it?
EXACTLY!!!
 
Who cares if LifeSite News is a reliable news source or not - either he said it or he didn’t. There must be some way of finding that out. Maybe the Bishop should ask. It seems important enough, doesn’t it?
As I said before, we may never find out. Bishops and Church authorities are not into the business of sharing with the laity what they are doing. They don’t like doing that.

We’ll have to wait for a leak somewhere. Personally, I’ve become so used to bishops and Church authorities not sharing with the laity that it does not bother me.

I’ve been a religious for a long time and I am used to trusting them to do what they have to do and tell us what they want us to know, when they want us to know it.

Since I have my own role to fill in the Church, I don’t feel the need to find out who said it, what he said and what the bishop is going to do about it. I’ll do my job within the Church and let the bishop do his job.

JR 🙂
 
I never said they lied.
🤷

I said they wre biased, very biased, and they are.
🙂
No, I wouldn’t call it “biased” as much as I would say they are flat out non-negotiable on life issues.

And congrats to them for being so.
 
Since LifeSite is a pro-Life Catholic information source it will always lean toward the hard line life side. I really like the information they give me and send this along to others 😃 as often as I can.

I understand that someone that is not pro-life and is a non-catholic might think it is an extremist news source.
What if one is a 100% pro-life non catholic christian who can make up his own mind on an issue without it being twisted either way.
 
Since LifeSite is a pro-Life Catholic information source it will always lean toward the hard line life side. I really like the information they give me and send this along to others 😃 as often as I can.

I understand that someone that is not pro-life and is a non-catholic might think it is an extremist news source.
Actually, it was the local Church who said that they were not a reliable news source. The Church did not say they are bad, just not a reliable news source.

You have to remember, they are not Catholic. They are run by Catholics. They are a private source. Just like Catholic Answers is not Catholic. It is run by Catholics.

Not everything that has the name Catholic is run by the Church.

Not everything that says they are a news site, is a licensed news agency or organization.

That’s all the local Church was saying. If that information had appeared on Catholic Answers, some chanceries would have said “Catholic Answers is not a reliable news source.” It does not make it bad, nor are they condemming CA. They are stating the obvious. It is not a licenced news organization and is not an official entity of the Catholic Church. It is private.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Again we see the devil at work among us!

Splitting hairs over the definition of “infallible teachings” and who is a legitimate news source?

Murder of the innocent is always murder. It is especially diabolical when the mother, father and even other family members can justify the murder of their own flesh and blood.

"“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, " "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Mt 22:36-40.

How does anyone justify murdering innocent babies and say they follow Jesus??

“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Ptr 2:1

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
Actually, it was the local Church who said that they were not a reliable news source. The Church did not say they are bad, just not a reliable news source.

You have to remember, they are not Catholic. They are run by Catholics. They are a private source. Just like Catholic Answers is not Catholic. It is run by Catholics.

Not everything that has the name Catholic is run by the Church.

Not everything that says they are a news site, is a licensed news agency or organization.

That’s all the local Church was saying. If that information had appeared on Catholic Answers, some chanceries would have said “Catholic Answers is not a reliable news source.” It does not make it bad, nor are they condemming CA. They are stating the obvious. It is not a licenced news organization and is not an official entity of the Catholic Church. It is private.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
You’re kidding right? It would be pointless for me at this point to tell you what words mean so let me post what the dictionary says as to what key words stand out in the article and in your post.

re⋅li⋅a⋅ble
   /rɪˈlaɪəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lahy-uh-buhl] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
that may be relied on; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.: reliable information.

le·git·i·mate (lə-jĭt’ə-mĭt) Pronunciation Key
adj.
  1. Being in compliance with the law; lawful: a legitimate business.
  2. Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards: legitimate advertising practices.
  3. Based on logical reasoning; reasonable: a legitimate solution to the problem.
  4. Authentic; genuine: a legitimate complaint.
When the communications director says that Lifesite News are not legitimate he isn’t speaking from a legal perspective but from the point of view of credibility. I don’t know if Lifesite news is an official news agency but really that is irrelevant. What if a member of that diocese called up the Chancery office to inquire as to what the Bishop thought of the Priest’s comments? Should they get the cold shoulder?
 
You’re kidding right? It would be pointless for me at this point to tell you what words mean so let me post what the dictionary says as to what key words stand out in the article and in your post.

re⋅li⋅a⋅ble
   /rɪˈlaɪəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lahy-uh-buhl] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
that may be relied on; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.: reliable information.

le·git·i·mate (lə-jĭt’ə-mĭt) Pronunciation Key
adj.
  1. Being in compliance with the law; lawful: a legitimate business.
  2. Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards: legitimate advertising practices.
  3. Based on logical reasoning; reasonable: a legitimate solution to the problem.
  4. Authentic; genuine: a legitimate complaint.
When the communications director says that Lifesite News are not legitimate he isn’t speaking from a legal perspective but from the point of view of credibility. I don’t know if Lifesite news is an official news agency but really that is irrelevant. What if a member of that diocese called up the Chancery office to inquire as to what the Bishop thought of the Priest’s comments? Should they get the cold shoulder?
The fact is that they did call and did not get the cold shoulder. They got an answer. So what’s the point? The chancery did say that Lifesite is not a reliable news source, because it is not a news service. But the chancery did not refuse the answer the question of the caller who asked for the position of the Catholic Church on the issue of abortion. They gave the answer straight from the writings of the Church.

Are you upset because they said that Lifesite is not reliable or because you thought they had not answered the moral question?

JR 🙂
 
Again we see the devil at work among us!

Splitting hairs over the definition of “infallible teachings” and who is a legitimate news source?

Murder of the innocent is always murder. It is especially diabolical when the mother, father and even other family members can justify the murder of their own flesh and blood.

"“Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, " "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Mt 22:36-40.

How does anyone justify murdering innocent babies and say they follow Jesus??

“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Ptr 2:1

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
The priest’s statement is a half-truth and it has to be taken that way.

The Church has never applied infalibility to abortion. This is true.

However, there is a good reason for that. The commandments already tell us not to kill. Therefore, there is no need to make the teaching on abortion ex cathedra, because it comes from scripture. Moral teaching that comes from scripture is infallible, unless the Church declares that some specific point is not a moral teaching.

In the case of killing, the Church has made it clear that the Scriptures teach the right to life. There is no need for the Church to come up with an infalible declaration on the right to life.

That’s why I say the priest is stating a half-truth. The Church never said it was infallible. True. The Church doesn’t have to do so, the Bible already does. Also true.

I would like to hear his entire statement before passing judgment.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
What if one is a 100% pro-life non catholic christian who can make up his own mind on an issue without it being twisted either way.
gramp…I think that if you have a problem with Lifesite you should make a case with evidence. When have they ever distorted the truth?
 
The fact is that they did call and did not get the cold shoulder. They got an answer. So what’s the point? The chancery did say that Lifesite is not a reliable news source, because it is not a news service. But the chancery did not refuse the answer the question of the caller who asked for the position of the Catholic Church on the issue of abortion. They gave the answer straight from the writings of the Church.

Are you upset because they said that Lifesite is not reliable or because you thought they had not answered the moral question?

JR 🙂
I am upset that they said that Lifesite news is not reliable. As a person who has spent some time in the Pro Life movement, I can tell you how my eyes were opened to the resistance of the Pro Life message (which is a Catholic message) from the Hierarchy.

I think we get so bogged down in details of stories that we lose perspective of the whole story. Here is the story in a nut shell according to how I see it:

A Catholic University is inviting a Pro-Abortion “Catholic” speaker to address the school in a “Christian Culture” lecture. This is a scandal.

The President of this University, who has the authority to change who speaks to the students, issues a statement about how abortion isn’t infallible even though no one says it is.

Afterwards, Lifesite news contacts the Diocese for the Bishop’s comments as this constitutes a scandal. The communication director insults Lifesite news with semantics and says nothing.

Finally the CCCB refers Lifesite news to COLF who repeat what the Catechism teaches regarding abortion.
 
I am upset that they said that Lifesite news is not reliable. As a person who has spent some time in the Pro Life movement, I can tell you how my eyes were opened to the resistance of the Pro Life message (which is a Catholic message) from the Hierarchy.

I think we get so bogged down in details of stories that we lose perspective of the whole story. Here is the story in a nut shell according to how I see it:

A Catholic University is inviting a Pro-Abortion “Catholic” speaker to address the school in a “Christian Culture” lecture. This is a scandal.

The President of this University, who has the authority to change who speaks to the students, issues a statement about how abortion isn’t infallible even though no one says it is.

Afterwards, Lifesite news contacts the Diocese for the Bishop’s comments as this constitutes a scandal. The communication director insults Lifesite news with semantics and says nothing.

Finally the CCCB refers Lifesite news to COLF who repeat what the Catechism teaches regarding abortion.
But you have to relax a minute and see two points here.
  1. The most important point is that they got their answer and the answer was correct.
  2. The second, not as important, the Communications Director or whomever they spoke to in that office may not even know about Lifesite news. They are not a big organization that everyone knows. Even something as big as Catholic Answers is not known by many diocesan offices and parishes. If they’re not sure whom they’re speaking to, they could have just blown them off. We don’t know how the caller from Lifesite introduced him or herself to the other party. This does not mean that the diocese is resisting the pro-life movement. It means that they do not know who Lifesite is. They’re not going to answer questions about an internal matter to a stranger.
By the way, this does not mean that the Chancellor, whom I believe is the local bishop, may not have already filed a complaint with the university. Many of these things are done very quietly.

JR 🙂
 
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