Priest explains why yoga and new age are dangerous

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Not to be difficult, but perhaps you can direct us that don’t live in climates or neighborhoods/locales safe and conducive to year-round outdoor exercise such as running, lack the financial or child care resources to join a gym or cannot (for reasons of physical disability, current weight, or injury) perform a full cardio-aerobic workout to some stretching or gentle movement source to get necessary physical activity. Most people are looking for something they can do in their own home, even if it’s in a limited amount of space. Most exercises and activities of daily living could be considered a “yoga pose” if one wants to start looking into it…that’s why I posted the link that I did. I read on a thread here a few years ago that even kneeling in prayer or lying on your back in bed or on the floor is actually a pose used in yoga…surely if we can disassociate those movements from yoga we can do the same with some stretches?
Hi, I used to do yoga and got demonically oppressed. So now I do barre workouts, they are super effective and more effective than yoga in terms of fitness.

Check out these few workouts below…

youtube.com/watch?v=Xzgc-h5ObhA

youtube.com/watch?v=OC9VbwyEG8U
 
This post makes me smile. I was taught some yoga at the age of eight as part of my education in a Roman Catholic primary school. Despite the dire warnings from the likes of OurLadysServant, I suffered no adverse effects, either physical or spiritual. In my late thirties I attended a yoga evening class for a while. Again, no drama. No demonic possession. My flexibility improved slightly. That’s all.
 
We often refer to the Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on* Some Aspects of Christian Meditation* – but then skip over that it acknowledges:

That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.

And yet dangers can be anywhere. The letter begins wiht errors in the early Church (cf. 1 Jn 4:3; 1 Tim 1:3-7 and 4:3-4) and “subsequently, two fundamental deviations came to be identified: Pseudognosticism and Messalianism”

Eastern forms do not have the monopoly on dangers. Any time there is the risk of Christ being subordinate to any method, experience or other goal there is danger.

Danger to believe that out own efforts bring our salvation; danger to believe that our faith eliminates any need for effort on our part.

Danger that we stive to extingish our very self through some immersion in the indeterminate abyss; danger also that we place God within the box of our own favorite limiting images. Danger of ego extinction & danger of ego inflation.

Danger that we make our feelings the sole criteria of spiritual progress; danger that we think we have it all figured out intellectually or have the elite knowledge.

Danger to think we can control God’s action by any technique or prayer.

Danger of believing one is God; danger of failing to acknowledge God in others.

Yes, there are many, many dangers everywhere the human heart can wander. The devil wants us to sin. S/He needs our free will for that.

References have been made to the document Jesus Christ The Bearer of the Water of Life. It asks a few discerning questions regarding how we view things so that we can make intelligent informed decisions about what we do and why we are doing it.

The following questions may be the easiest key to evaluating some of the central elements of New Age thought and practice from a Christian standpoint. “New Age” refers to the ideas which circulate about God, the human being and the world, the people with whom Christians may have conversations on religious matters, the publicity material for meditation groups, therapies and the like, explicit statements on religion and so on. Some of these questions applied to people and ideas not explicitly labelled New Age would reveal further unnamed or unacknowledged links with the whole New Age atmosphere.
  • Is God a being with whom we have a relationship or something to be used or a force to be harnessed?
  • Is there just one Jesus Christ, or are there thousands of Christs?
  • The human being: is there one universal being or are there many individuals?
  • Do we save ourselves or is salvation a free gift from God?
  • Do we invent truth or do we embrace it?
  • Prayer and meditation: are we talking to ourselves or to God?
  • Are we tempted to deny sin or do we accept that there is such a thing?
  • Are we encouraged to reject or accept suffering and death?
  • Is social commitment something shirked or positively sought after?
  • Is our future in the stars or do we help to construct it?
What I mean was dealt with by the CDF:
  1. With the present diffusion of eastern methods of meditation in the Christian world and in ecclesial communities, we find ourselves faced with a pointed renewal of an attempt, which is not free from dangers and errors, “to fuse Christian meditation with that which is non-Christian.” Proposals in this direction are numerous and radical to a greater or lesser extent. Some use eastern methods solely as a psycho-physical preparation for a truly Christian contemplation; others go further and, using different techniques, try to generate spiritual experiences similar to those described in the writings of certain Catholic mystics.
It would be a mistake to try to generate an experience.
  1. Some physical exercises automatically produce a feeling of quiet and relaxation, pleasing sensations, perhaps even phenomena of light and of warmth, which resemble spiritual well-being. To take such feelings for the authentic consolations of the Holy Spirit would be a totally erroneous way of conceiving the spiritual life. Giving them a symbolic significance typical of the mystical experience, when the moral condition of the person concerned does not correspond to such an experience, would represent a kind of mental schizophrenia which could also lead to psychic disturbance and, at times, to moral deviations.
And to think an experiences generated was the Holy Spirit.

But we can still benefit by non-Christian practices.

That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.

ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfmed.htm
 
Yoga is fine. It’s offered as part of PE at our parish school. It’s just stretching.
 
Hello friend!
A person cannot use ouiji board or black magic and get away unscathed. Same with yoga.
The poses are acts of worship of false spirits. None of them can be disassociated. People cannot use them unscathed. Its satan’s territory. You can’t cross over to his territory and be unscathed. A person cannot use ouiji board or black magic and get away unscathed.
What i meant by sport was God will send you a sport that is not occult will He not?
Pray to God for a new exercise that’s not occult, it’s for your own benefit, for your own soul?
A priest in the UK was praying with a woman who was in yoga, she had no peace from God whatsoever, when she burned all her yoga materials, confessed and he prayed deliverance over her then she experienced the warmth of the Holy Spirit. He said by doing yoga she’d committed spiritual adultery -by going to different gods which is all yoga is about on a subtle level because the postures and chants are borrowed from a false religion worshiping false spirits. Sr Emmanuela is a nun who became involved in new age. She said, ‘If you call someone’s name in an empty room long enough will they not arrive?’ Yoga calls upon false spirits
I believe God has sent exercises and sport- that’s why I’m ordering the DVDs that I posted a link to earlier- this one 🙂

pietrafitness.com/p-f-not-yoga/
 
There is Yoga Exercise, which most Americans do, and Yoga which incorporates Hindu Spirituality.

The later is generally what people who attack Yoga as being dangers are thinking of. The former, they have no idea about.

I’ve done Yoga exercises for many years and there is nothing spiritual about it. In fact, the Power Yoga routine I do is a good work out.

Just as Cardinal Ratzinger once wrote, we don’t reject what is good in Eastern Religions, just because they are not Catholic, but in fact use them for the good they do.

Yoga exercise is probably the best form of exercise a person can do for a life time.

Jim
 
Yoga is fine. It’s offered as part of PE at our parish school. It’s just stretching.
The thing is doing yoga stretches doesn’t exempt you from the spiritual implications of the practice. The origins of yoga come from Hinduism. Even if you think you can separate the two (the stretches from the religion) as long as you do the physical aspects you are reaping the spiritual parts as well. This is because the physical and the spiritual are intertwined.
 
The thing is doing yoga stretches doesn’t exempt you from the spiritual implications of the practice. The origins of yoga come from Hinduism. Even if you think you can separate the two (the stretches from the religion) as long as you do the physical aspects you are reaping the spiritual parts as well. This is because the physical and the spiritual are intertwined.
You’re spreading misinformation.

I separate the exercise from my Christian spirituality, with no problem. I have always remained Christ centered.

There are different styles of yoga, just like there are different styles of Karate.

Some incorporate spirituality into the exercises, some don’t.

The Yoga exercise I have experience with, has nothing spiritual about it.

Jim
 
There is Yoga Exercise, which most Americans do, and Yoga which incorporates Hindu Spirituality.

The later is generally what people who attack Yoga as being dangers are thinking of. The former, they have no idea about.

I’ve done Yoga exercises for many years and there is nothing spiritual about it. In fact, the Power Yoga routine I do is a good work out.
Just as Cardinal Ratzinger once wrote, we don’t reject what is good in Eastern Religions, just because they are not Catholic, but in fact use them for the good they do.

Yoga exercise is probably the best form of exercise a person can do for a life time.

Jim
It appears that these two sentences (in Bold) contradict one another. On the one hand it is implied that Yoga contains no ‘spiritual’ element and in the other hand the post cites Pope B as saying we shouldn’t reject ‘Eastern religions’! If 'there is nothing spiritual about it’ then why would we be rejecting any ‘religion’ when not embracing yoga? 🤷
 
It appears that these two sentences (in Bold) contradict one another. On the one hand it is implied that Yoga contains no ‘spiritual’ element and in the other hand the post cites Pope B as saying we shouldn’t reject ‘Eastern religions’! If there is nothing ‘spiritual about it’ then why would we be rejecting any religion when not embracing yoga? 🤷
Then Cardinal Ratzinger said we shouldn’t “reject what is good,” in those religions.

Yoga exercise is “good,” and should not be rejected just because it’s not from the Catholic Religion

Jim
 
  1. The majority of the great religions which have sought union with God in prayer have also pointed out ways to achieve it. Just as "the Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions,"18 neither should these ways be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian. On the contrary, one can take from them what is useful so long as the Christian conception of prayer, its logic and requirements are never obscured.
Jim
 
Then Cardinal Ratzinger said we shouldn’t “reject what is good,” in those religions.

Yoga exercise is “good,” and should not be rejected just because it’s not from the Catholic Religion

Jim
Same question applies: now you are suggesting most definitely that yoga is part and parcel of a religion. My concern is not what Pope B said - most likely not connected with yoga - but the fact that you at first said yoga is not ‘spiritual’ and then immediately link it with ‘those religions’, as a reason to say it is okay?! 😉
 
Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS:
  1. The majority of the great religions which have sought union with God in prayer have also pointed out ways to achieve it. Just as "the Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions,"18 neither should these ways be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian. On the contrary, one can take from them what is useful so long as the Christian conception of prayer, its logic and requirements are never obscured.
vatican.va/roman_curia/co…stiana_en.html
…But considering that Jesus also said: “Thou shalt not worship false idols” is an indication that yoga practice is not what the Vatican is suggesting is okay in other, as you said, ‘religions’. And this does not mean we are to worship false gods and practices that lead to the worship of demons. The Pope would have been talking about seeing and empathising with people’s reach for the belief in something of a divine nature not to embrace every other idol as okay because Pope B also warned against the dangers of relativism.
 
I don’t think anyone would be a Yoga instructor unless they are deep into it. And being deep into it means believing in the religious aspect. That’s why I would not try Yoga because I know that sooner or later the instructor is going to want to push the person into the practice of a different religion which invites demonic possession.
 
Same question applies: now you are suggesting most definitely that yoga is part and parcel of a religion. My concern is not what Pope B said - most likely not connected with yoga - but the fact that you at first said yoga is not ‘spiritual’ and then immediately link it with ‘those religions’, as a reason to say it is okay?! 😉
Yoga came out of Hinduism, but also changed in the process. Some remained rooted in Hindu spirituality, some separate exercise from the spiritual aspects.

Yoga exercise in the USA, in the style most Americans learn at YMCA’s or videos, is not spiritual. It can be, just as all things can me and that spirituality depends on the person doing it. For myself and Christians, it’s physical exercise. Our spirituality remains Christ Centered.

Jim
 
…But considering that Jesus also said: “Thou shalt not worship false idols” is an indication that yoga practice is not what the Vatican is suggesting is okay in other, as you said, ‘religions’. And this does not mean we are to worship false gods and practices that lead to the worship of demons. The Pope would have been talking about seeing and empathising with people’s reach for the belief in something of a divine nature not to embrace every other idol as okay because Pope B also warned against the dangers of relativism.
We do not worship any god doing Yoga exercise, no more than one worships a god doing calisthenics.

A person could bring spirituality into their exercise routine, even in weight-lifting.

But that is not the general purpose for people doing Yoga exercise.

Jim
 
…also, exercise promotes wellbeing, and Yoga exercises particularly, so where does our daily suffering and not thinking of ‘self’ come in to our religion then?! I think some sport can help our fight against temptations as sports are disciplines for the most part, and for health reasons it is obvious, but for reasons to simply feel great, a bit like going to the gym to prune oneself for two hours straight or more, all seems a bit self-indulgent. It is good to feel joy and peace but cannot praying do this? Try the rosary! Try being silent and trying to be still in God. Do we not trust that God is there and listening that we have to start making funny shapes with our bodies?! I wonder whether a lot of the reasons why people do yoga are making excuses because they either want to do it to meet people or because they are not praying enough! I like sport, I don’t mind exercise, but it can all become indulgent and can soon become a lifestyle so I believe in even limiting these things. I know the temptation is to think to be Christian nowadays is to wear a plastic smile, and it is true that we shouldn’t show any suffering off as if we are revelling in it, but going completely the other way seems a bit forced too. We are , did but Christians know it, not suppose to shy from a certain amount of suffering. It is the world of fantasy that has us believe that to be alive is for everything to be perfect, to be how we want it, and to feel great everyday. So what room does this leave for God Himself.? I don’t have a problem with different prayer positions but keep Christianity out of other religions that worship demons and trust that God is with us when we pray even when just sat on a chair or on our knees. IMHO.
 
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