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OurLadysServant
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That would be fasting in honour of a New Age deity Or to achieve a spiritual awakening that is not catholic / unchristianNow even fasting is “new age” and also banned?
(Nothing wrong with catholic fasting)
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(Nothing wrong with catholic fasting)
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Michael_Mayo
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Why can’t that same reasoning be applied to stretches?
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Michael_Mayo
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Evidence based research indicates that yoga helps relieve anxiety and depression, not lead to it through demonic oppression.
Participation in a two-month yoga class can lead to significant reduction in perceived levels of anxiety in women who suffer from anxiety disorders.
ctcpjournal.com/article/S1744-3881%2809%2900004-8/abstract?cc=y
Subjects who participated in the yoga course demonstrated significant decreases in self-reported symptoms of depression and trait anxiety.
modernhcp.com/INNO-PDFS/IMCJ-PDFS/BE8EAF15F08842A291DC88418F8F9BA5.ashx.pdf
Mindful meditation and exercise have positive effects as adjunctive treatments for depressive disorders, although some studies show multiple methodological weaknesses. For anxiety disorders, exercise and yoga have also shown positive effects, but there are far less data on the effects of exercise on anxiety than for exercise on depression.
europepmc.org/abstract/MED/20387774
Overall, the initial indications are of potentially beneficial effects of yoga interventions on depressive disorders.
jad-journal.com/article/S0165-0327%2805%2900257-0/abstract
We would argue, however, that there are several reasons to consider constructing careful research on yoga for depression. First, current strategies for treating depression are not sufficient for many individuals, and patients have several concerns about existing treatments. Yoga may be an attractive alternative to or a good way to augment current depression treatment strategies. Second, aspects of yoga—including mindfulness promotion and exercise—are thought to be “active ingredients” of other successful treatments for depression. Third, there are plausible biological, psychological, and behavioral mechanisms by which yoga may have an impact on depression.
journals.lww.com/practicalpsychiatry/Abstract/2010/01000/Hatha_Yoga_for_Depression__Critical_Review_of_the.4.aspx
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OurLadysServant
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Didn’t St James write in the bible: ‘Not to eat meat sacrifices to idols.’
the same would apply to actions consecrated to false spirits
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I am not Catholic, nor do I practice yoga, but I offer the following examples as food for thought because they address issues of postures and spiritual connection.
When people who are atheist or agnostic enter 12 step programs and balk at the idea of prayer…often it is suggested that no matter, every morning and evening they get on their knees for five minutes upon waking and just before getting into bed. Just do it, with open mind…that is all.
This is suggested because many before them have found that putting themselves in this position and keeping an open mind, they find spiritual benefits or even spiritual faith developing.
Also, I have had it suggested to me, and heard it suggested by others, that people “try” Catholicism by likewise getting on their knees or simply bowing when they pass a statue or see a Crucifix, even without faith, with the understanding that this act can open oneself up to a channel of grace.
I don’t claim to understand how any of those things work, but I know people who have told me that they have had that exact experience.
When people who are atheist or agnostic enter 12 step programs and balk at the idea of prayer…often it is suggested that no matter, every morning and evening they get on their knees for five minutes upon waking and just before getting into bed. Just do it, with open mind…that is all.
This is suggested because many before them have found that putting themselves in this position and keeping an open mind, they find spiritual benefits or even spiritual faith developing.
Also, I have had it suggested to me, and heard it suggested by others, that people “try” Catholicism by likewise getting on their knees or simply bowing when they pass a statue or see a Crucifix, even without faith, with the understanding that this act can open oneself up to a channel of grace.
I don’t claim to understand how any of those things work, but I know people who have told me that they have had that exact experience.
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OurLadysServant
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Read the book ‘Spiritual Warfare’ by stella Davis, and ‘The Miracle Ship’ by Brian O’ Hare. About two catholic deliverance lay evangelists. One in America and one in Northern ireland.
Both have said yoga is an invitation to evil spirits.
Even Sr Briege McKenna the poor Clare nun with the worldwide healing ministry has said she has had to deliver people from evil spirits and to stay away from yoga.
Almost all the catholic evangelists in the deliverance ministry in my country are saying it leads to possible demonic oppression.
The benefits? Fr Gabriel Amorthe retired -head exorcist of the Vatican said the ‘peace’ of yoga cannot be confused with the peace of the Holy Spirit.
Satan can heal temporarily -if he gains ground in a soul he does not mind healing.
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friardchips
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Here is the difference.
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agnes_therese
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So, according to your theories, everyone who ever lies flat on their back is in danger of demonic possession, since that is a yoga pose.
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friardchips
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If Sr. Briege says: “stay away from yoga”, then we would be sensible to stay away from yoga.
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friardchips
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If a body position is inspired by yoga practice then it is tantamount to idol worship. If yoga is a simple exercise position that many people do not know is a yoga position, that yoga stole, as coming from under their own umbrella of idol worship, then I doubt it matters because yoga deviants have no claim to the position as a ‘yoga’ position in the first place. But if it is a special move that one would only find out with exploration into yoga then one needs to burn the book and renounce this evil in confession.So, according to your theories, everyone who ever lies flat on their back is in danger of demonic possession, since that is a yoga pose.
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Michael_Mayo
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But stetches do not have to be consecrated to false spirits just as not all fasting is in honor of a New Age deity.
And it wasn’t James it was Paul in I Cirinthians 8. He is saying that the only thing wrong with eating such meat is that it offends the weak in faith. So that would be like saying we should not do yoga because it offends those with weaker faith or might lead them to practice against their conscience.
So about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols: we know that “there is no idol in the world,” and that “there is no God but one.” Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist,
and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.
But not all have this knowledge. There are some who have been so used to idolatry up until now that, when they eat meat sacrificed to idols, their conscience, which is weak, is defiled.
Now food will not bring us closer to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, nor are we better off if we do. But make sure that this liberty of yours in no way becomes a stumbling block to the weak. If someone sees you, with your knowledge, reclining at table in the temple of an idol, may not his conscience too, weak as it is, be “built up” to eat the meat sacrificed to idols? Thus through your knowledge, the weak person is brought to destruction, the brother for whom Christ died. When you sin in this way against your brothers and wound their consciences, weak as they are, you are sinning against Christ. Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause my brother to sin.
If your conscience bothers you PLEASE DO NOT DO YOGA.
If you go to the Vatican website and search yoga you find the two main documents of the hurch, JESUS CHRIST THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE A Christian reflection on the “New Age” and LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON SOME ASPECTS OF CHRISTIAN MEDITATION. Neither of them “ban” yoga.
What we do find are other cautions related to motivation and interpretation as well as an authorization to use “practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions”.
That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.
But as I said, if it bothers you don’t do it. But please do not try to convince others that the Church has banned it, because it has not.
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friardchips
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Another misuse of documents to defend practices contrary to the Christian faith and a weakening of the position of the Christian in their fight for good against evil.
This quote was posted earlier and was rightly and thoroughly dismissed as being relevant. It explains nothing to do with yoga and does not in any way condone the worship of false gods (demons) - read the posts (page 3 onwards)!
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OurLadysServant
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Sr Briege McKenna helped John Gillespie (a Northern Ireland deliverance lay evangelist) start his ministry, he is very similar to Sr Briege in terms of the Holy Spirit using him, his life story is in the paperback/ ebook ‘The Miracle Ship’ by John O’ Hare (amazon.com) he is St Briege’s friend and is saying yoga can lead to demonic oppression. He is on the front battle-line like Sr Briege, involved in the healing ministry and deliverance ministry
If Sr. Briege says: “stay away from yoga”, then we would be sensible to stay away from yoga.
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Michael_Mayo
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Dismissed? Only because you don’t agree with it, yes it was dismissed and discounted.
But not rebutted.
But please show me a statement by the Vatican banning yoga.
And please clarify your statement, " If yoga is a simple exercise position that many people do not know is a yoga position, that yoga stole, as coming from under their own umbrella of idol worship, then I doubt it matters because yoga deviants have no claim to the position as a ‘yoga’ position in the first place."
It sounds like you are saying some yoga positions are universal (and I guess then not evil) even though they are yoga posiitons.
Thank you.
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OurLadysServant
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The church has said yoga CAN lead to Hinduism, and eastern forms of meditation, some of whose aspects are completely incompatible with Christianity (such as the false belief in reincarnation).
The church has also put yoga into the same category as New Age, Reiki, and Transcedental Meditation.
(which are both occult, reiki claiming healers, and Transcedental meditation seeking out of body experiences).
The church is slow to approve anything new, even st Faustina was on the forbidden book list, and Medjugorje has not got judgement yet. The church is slow to pass judgement. It has given a warning and put yoga in the New Age category)
There is much evidence -the deliverance ministry is experiencing people demonically oppressed from yoga. Fact.
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Yoga words and positions honour false spirits. Fact.
Research the pagan gods behind the words and postures (in the Ephesians website I gave earlier, and read the testimonies of people who had to be delivered from demonic oppression from yoga,)
Why say words in an unknown language that honour satan? Or bow to him?
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friardchips
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Thank you for the book suggestion! I read the review in Amazon after you posted. Looks interesting. I have the book about the life of Sr. Briege: ‘Miracles Do Happen’.
I think there are ways we can pray but all links to yoga have to be forgotten and wiped out via confession and even minor exorcisms. Then we can pray how we want, although I advocate prayer on knees, but I can pray standing up, cross-legged, or sat on a chair, whatever, but praying has to be released from any yoga chain of slavery to demons. And any person can do exercise but they need to renounce all forms of yoga through confession and burning of yoga books. I used to do stretches and it was good because it stretched my body before going for a run but I never read anything on yoga and never would because to do this might invite Satan into my program - make me feel okay in a way that I begin to desire seeking escape from my natural state, in God. We have to be so careful. So very careful, to attribute everything to God, for God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. A run is fine but I would even avoid going to the gym now due to knowing the risks that come with trying to look and feel good in a forced way for overly prolonged periods.
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Thanks for what? NO I am not.
I am saying that simpler, very much simpler yoga positions, have been stolen as yoga positions. Maybe. I don’t know what yoga positions are! Maybe some of them were originally simply arms-out type positions, that cannot be claimed as being anything. But, AS I SAID, more complicated moves that one has to seek out via yoga are not to be practiced. And the moment any move is attributed to yoga the same applies.
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OurLadysServant
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Yes friend the church HAS cautioned against some of the traits of eastern meditation and yoga . Prayer centering is compared with Transcedental meditation and New Age in the document. (Both of whom are occult. New Age healers and Transcedental out of body experience seekers). This is a serious category.
The church is slow to approve or condemn anything; any apparition or beatify any saint.
The church has given a warning. The church has said yogas peace cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit’s peace.
And why is eastern meditation incompatible? Concepts such as: Reincarnation. The idea that everything is god (rather than a God who is in everything) and they seek to unite to this false spirit.
Fact:
Yoga words and poses don’t just honour false spirits, they invite false sports to enter. See the Ephesians website I posted on the translation of the yoga words and poses in terms of the false gods being beckoned to.
Fact: people are going to catholic deliverance ministries for genuine catholic deliverance from demonic oppression from eastern meditations and yoga.
We shouldn’t speak to false spirits in words or bowing. Fact: The historic creation of yoga is to become one with various spirits by calling them and bowing to them.
One cannot play a ouiji board ignorantly for fun.
Yoga is a spiritual path (fact) that is incompatible with Christianity (fact, look up the spirits behind the words and poses).
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Michael_Mayo
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I was thanking you for the opporuntiy to have a reasonable discussion.
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