Priest explains why yoga and new age are dangerous

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There is much evidence -the deliverance ministry is experiencing people demonically oppressed from yoga. Fact.
Fact or assumption? How do you know there is a cause/effect relationship. Many people practice yoga without oppression.
And fact:
Yoga words and positions honour false spirits. Fact.
Friarchips just finished saying not all positions do so.
Research the pagan gods behind the words and postures (in the Ephesians website I gave earlier, and read the testimonies of people who had to be delivered from demonic oppression from yoga,)
Why say words in an unknown language that honour satan? Or bow to him?
The Ephesians website ( I think it was) claimed that a demon said he came through yoga. demons are known liars who prey on human emotions such as fear. Why would you beleive anything a demon says? And that is all hearsay anyway. Actual studies done on yoga, as I provided, indicate benefit rather than oppression.
 
Fact or assumption? How do you know there is a cause/effect relationship. Many people practice yoga without oppression.
Because people report it as being so, people who are in positions of trust for solid reasons and so we can take it on trust, and because the Bible tells us to disassociate ourselves from anything other than prayer to the God we know - as in positions which for however many hundreds or thousands of years have been used in expressing worship to false gods.
Friarchips just finished saying not all positions do so.
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No…I didn’t! 😃
The Ephesians website ( I think it was) claimed that a demon said he came through yoga. demons are known liars who prey on human emotions such as fear. Why would you beleive anything a demon says? And that is all hearsay anyway. Actual studies done on yoga, as I provided, indicate benefit rather than oppression.
If you yourself have benefitted then be thankful for God’s mercy. But if sources from the Vatican say not to experiment then know when to call it a day. God does allow Satan a certain amount of room, because Satan does sometimes push us closer to Christ, accidently (he means to do the opposite), but if we get out of situations in which we were fortunate to have received help then God was not necessarily approving of what you were doing but rather was probably guiding your experience to stop attacks. You are being looked after, IOW. We are not called to “test the spirit”. Either way, one must renounce yoga.
 
I propose a Yoga Bonfire Day. Where all Christians burn any yoga books in their back garden (yard), and New Age books, horoscopes, and other materials containing demon worship, but done discreetly, otherwise it might scare the neighbours. :tanning:

…or chuck them out.
 
Yoga words and poses don’t just honour false spirits, they invite false sports to enter.

We shouldn’t speak to false spirits in words or bowing. Fact: The historic creation of yoga is to become one with various spirits by calling them and bowing to them.
You mean like in Trikonasana “Triangle pose” one honors the spirit of a triangle?
Padmasana “lotus pose” one honors the lotus spirit?
Tadasana “mountain pose” one honors a mountain?
Adho Mukha Śvānāsana honor a downward facing dog?
Ākarṇa Dhanurāsana honor a bow?
Bālāsana honor a child?
Daṇḍāsana honor a staff?
 
You mean like in Trikonasana “Triangle pose” one honors the spirit of a triangle?
Padmasana “lotus pose” one honors the lotus spirit?
Tadasana “mountain pose” one honors a mountain?
Adho Mukha Śvānāsana honor a downward facing dog?
Ākarṇa Dhanurāsana honor a bow?
Bālāsana honor a child?
Daṇḍāsana honor a staff?
Why worship a spirit of a downward facing dog?
Why worship any spirit that is not the Holy Spirit

I Corinthians 10:21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
 
I propose a Yoga Bonfire Day. Where all Christians burn any yoga books in their back garden (yard), and New Age books, horoscopes, and other materials containing demon worship, but done discreetly, otherwise it might scare the neighbours. :tanning:

…or chuck them out.
I appreciate your zeal and concern but think it is misplaced. The church teaches that
  1. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.
Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

That is not to say we should become Hindu. But we should not just jump to the conclusion that anything nonChristian is demonic. It is best to stick with actual church documents on these subjects. The two major documents and Nostra Aetate speak of respect owed rather than disdain and fear.
 
Sure sounded like it. Tthat is why I asked you to clarify.
What I meant Michael, is that yoga practitioners might claim, say for example, that to simply have one’s arms stretched in the air might be yoga. This is not true because anyone can stretch their arms in the air. The same for lying down flat. Otherwise, how would people get to sleep (unless they are bats?).

So, my point was three things:
  1. If any position is seriously attributed to yoga in one’s mind - even lying down or standing with one’s hands raised in the air - it is a salute to a demon.
  2. That if one is not attributing to yoga stretching one’s arms in the air or lying down flat (obvious simply movements that most people do - like reaching out for something) then yoga practitioners have no right to put a claim on these positions as yoga anyway, so they are making money out of false claims. You could sue them!
  3. Most yoga positions I would imagine involve more complex sitting positions that involve yoga study to participate and achieve these positions. This is a link to yoga and therefore idol worship.
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Why worship a spirit of a downward facing dog?
Why worship any spirit that is not the Holy Spirit

I Corinthians 10:21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
There is no spirit of downward facing dog to worship. That is my point. A posture or stretch is simply a posture or stretch devoid of any meaning other than the meaning you give it. For a Hindu it may or may not be filled with worship of anything. Same goes for anyone. I can touch my toes without worship of toes.
 
Yes the church says there is ways to find God.
But it does say in that church document that Hinduism and eastern religions are completely incompatible with Christianity because they worship multi gods, believe in reincarnation, those gods are invited to enter their bodies in each pose, one of the poses is of a snake cobra and in one of the forms of yoga the participants are supposed to literally feel the snake rising inside their body,

Quote from catholic website:
Practicing yoga breaks the First Commandment; it’s pagan worship.

Why the Controversy?
Just the Exercise
Yoga is considered a whole body experience originating in Hinduism as a means to reach enlightenment through exercises and meditations that unite the body, mind, and spirit. For Catholics, worshiping or becoming one with a yoga deity breaks the First Commandment.

The Problem with Yoga
The controversy with yoga goes beyond a person’s intent. The problem is that yoga holds that all existence is one; there is no distinction between God and the universe. Through enlightenment a person becomes one with all of existence. Everything is god (rather than God is in everything).

Having taken a yoga class myself many years ago, I know that the stretches, relaxation meditations and poses, all mesh together. It would be hard to discern the instructor’s meaning behind everything. For instance, a classic yoga mantra: “So’ham” means, ‘I am the universal Self,’” which is often used repetitively, timed with your breathing.

A friend who took a yoga class told me everyone was supposed to fold their hands and bow before they began. She said she did not do that but upon considering that yoga exercise is one part of a bigger pagan spiritual practice, she decided to quit. “Why take a chance?” she said. “If parts of it are wrong, then I’m not going to participate in any of it.”

QUOTE=Michael Mayo;12485047]I appreciate your zeal and concern but think it is misplaced. The church teaches that
  1. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.
Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

That is not to say we should become Hindu. But we should not just jump to the conclusion that anything nonChristian is demonic. It is best to stick with actual church documents on these subjects. The two major documents and Nostra Aetate speak of respect owed rather than disdain and fear.
 
I appreciate your zeal and concern but think it is misplaced. The church teaches that
  1. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.
Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

That is not to say we should become Hindu. But we should not just jump to the conclusion that anything nonChristian is demonic. It is best to stick with actual church documents on these subjects. The two major documents and Nostra Aetate speak of respect owed rather than disdain and fear.
The Church does not teach to recognise false gods. The Church teaches not to assume that people are worshipping false gods but to hope that these beliefs are within His hands. However, false gods are not to be worshipped and these gods, if they exist, are not gods because we know there is only one God, and so, they are demons. There is no alternative. There is also Church teaching on this. One cannot undo the commandments.

We are to believe that all of Creation came through Christ, but there is also opposition to God, the other choice - the prince of this world. Our physical expressions manifest from our choices to love unselfishly or not, either go to God or not. We cannot serve two masters! Otherwise, we have relativism. This relativism says that ‘anything goes’. If I swear, we do not say: “Oh, it is alright, because God created everything anyway, so all good.” And we don’t hurt people and say: “Oh, it is alright, because God created everything anyway, so all good.” Our physical movements either express the Truth or they do not. They either praise and glorify God or they put Him second.

We are not called to hate or judge people form other religions but we are called to not believe in other people’s ideas of alternative gods. This would be heresy. We are called to believe in the Dogmas and doctrines of the Church, to love all people even our enemies, and refute all forms of evil or dangers that lead to the murderer “who was a murderer from the beginning.”
 
What I meant Michael, is that yoga practitioners might claim, say for example, that to simply have one’s arms stretched in the air might be yoga. This is not true because anyone can stretch their arms in the air. The same for lying down flat. Otherwise, how would people get to sleep (unless they are bats?).

So, my point was three things:
  1. If any position is seriously attributed to yoga in one’s mind - even lying down or standing with one’s hands raised in the air - it is a salute to a demon.
  2. That if one is not attributing to yoga stretching one’s arms in the air or lying down flat (obvious simply movements that most people do - like reaching out for something) then yoga practitioners have no right to put a claim on these positions as yoga anyway, so they are making money out of false claims. You could sue them!
  3. Most yoga positions I would imagine involve more complex sitting positions that involve yoga study to participate and achieve these positions. This is a link to yoga and therefore idol worship.
🙂
It sounds to me then that you are saying one’s intention is the critial element to distinguish a “Yoga pose” form a nonyoga pose.
 
There is no spirit of downward facing dog to worship. That is my point. A posture or stretch is simply a posture or stretch devoid of any meaning other than the meaning you give it. For a Hindu it may or may not be filled with worship of anything. Same goes for anyone. I can touch my toes without worship of toes.
Yes but the actions are spiritually inviting the false spirit of each pose into your body. That’s the historic spiritual path of yoga. False spirits are invoced to enter. There is only the Holy Spirit or the evil spirit. Thou shall not have false gods before me. Commandment. Catholics cannot join in rituals that are designed to invite and unite with false spirits.
St Paul wrote in the bible: ‘Do you not know the false gods are fallen angels? And that they worship satan and his minions?’
 
Yes but the actions are spiritually inviting the false spirit of each pose into your body. That’s the historic spiritual path of yoga. False spirits are invoced to enter. There is only the Holy Spirit or the evil spirit. Thou shall not have false gods before me. Commandment. Catholics cannot join in rituals that are designed to invite and unite with false spirits.
St Paul wrote in the bible: ‘Do you not know the false gods are fallen angels? And that they worship satan and his minions?’
So when I touch my toes what false spirit am I inviting into my body?
 
So when I touch my toes what false spirit am I inviting into my body?
This is what I meant by a simple action being claimed by yoga zealots that this is a yoga move. They seek to spread their evil and contaminate all with their belief. But if you attribute yoga to this then you are making this evil.

And no, again, to your earlier question, that is not what I am saying.
 
This is what I meant by a simple action being claimed by yoga zealots that this is a yoga move. They seek to spread their evil and contaminate all with their belief. But if you attribute yoga to this then you are making this evil.

And no, again, to your earlier question, that is not what I am saying.
It seems to me you are talking in circles, Friarchips. What if I do not “attribute” a posture to yoga. Doesn’t that involve intention?
 
It seems to me you are talking in circles, Friarchips. What if I do not “attribute” a posture to yoga. Doesn’t that involve intention?
Bible:
‘any spirit that does not profess Jesus Christ is Lord is the spirit of anti christ’

There is the Holy Spirit and the false spirit.

Aetheists involved in the occult experience demonic oppression.
Prayers /actions inviting false spirits send out a message to the spiritual world. That’s what occult does.
 
Is this woman doing yoga or just touching her toes? What makes it yoga?

What evil spirit is this woman inviting into her body?

http://www.fitness.com/exercises/uploaded/1247818357_sitting-touch-toes.jpg
Rituals actions have spiritual side effects. The intended goal of yoga, a false religion predating Hinduism is to unite with various false spirits and ask them to enter the body. That sounds like possession, whether the religion was founded by man or satan’s inspiration. It is incompatible with Christianity. The occult and new age call on false spirits and there are side effects. There are even signs that satan works through his new age ‘healings.’ He can heal temporarily. At a cost.

The sign of the cross sends satan flying. It is our redemption paid for in Jesus Blood.

If it’s yoga it’s a genuflection to a spirit not of God, and an invitation to that spirit to ‘yoke’ with the person (from the word yoga =unite,). Hence the oppressive spirits mentioned.

In the ouiji board spirits are called. In yoga spirits are called . That’s why the Vatican has given a warning and placed yoga in the same category as new age reiki healers, and Transcedental Meditation out of body experiences. It has put all eastern meditation in the same bracket as new age (occult). It has said there are forms completely incompatible with Christianity.
 
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