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agnes_therese
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As a student of St. John of the Cross, I’ll have to disagree with you on this. But that’s off-topic for this thread.
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cjforJesus
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I think very few truly understand what St John of the Cross was talking about .He lived in times where ascetic practice was common. Many people try to equate his writings with kundalini arousal too and I find that absurd.Many others also say that St Teresa seventh mansion where God dwells is the same.I think these people should read the bible and catechism to get a better understanding.
I don’t presume to understand the mind of God but the greatest form of worship is the Holy Mass.This is where heaven and earth intersect. We can readily have union with God through the Eucharist every day.
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cjforJesus
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"[if someone] should try to persuade you of any lax doctrine, do not believe in it nor embrace it; even though he might confirm it with miracles. But believe in and embrace more penance and detachment from all things, and do not seek Christ without the cross-St John of the Cross
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cjforJesus
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“If we don’t want to be fools and blind the intellect there’s no reason for doubt. Receiving Communion is not like picturing with the imagination, as when we reflect upon the Lord on the cross or in other episodes of the Passion, when we picture within ourselves how things happened to Him in the past. In Communion the event is happening now, and it is entirely true. There’s no reason to go looking for Him in some other place far away”- St Teresa of Avila
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Michael_Mayo
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Bring it on over
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=894914
14 pages of pretty good discussion.
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cjforJesus
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Michael I am sure you know at this point I am not an intellectual. One thing I understand about St John was that he was imprisoned for 9 months and abused,At that time he most likely did not receive the Eucharist yet God granted him many graces because of his faith. The quotes I read from him all stress penance and rejecting attachment to all worldly pleasures. He was seeking to reform the laxness in the orders just as St Teresa and was persecuted for it.
Do not seek Christ without the cross to me means you accept sufferings and discouragement without losing faith.It also means the Holy Sacrifice of the cross which is at the heart of the Catholic liturgy.
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Michael_Mayo
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He even talked about detachment from spiritual pleasures. About 15 years ago I had a book of his collected works and it all seemed too dark for me. How could I reject attachment to spiritual pleasures? They kept me going. Then last year I began to read him again and had a completely different impression. There comes a time, if only momentary, when even our most comforting thoughts and images get in the way of God and it is best if we let them subside and make room for God’s own action.
But back to this Kundalini thing, and while at it the whole Chinese “chi” as in Tai Chi and acupuncture. I think it all has less to do with spirits and more to do with the energies of the body science is only beginning to grasp. Of course there is always danger of letting these things dominate our focus. But any kind of fanaticism can do that.
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Michael_Mayo
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Nike is the Greek goddess of victory. Is it worshipping her to wear Nike products?
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cjforJesus
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LOL All Hail goddess nike and her awesome shoes and sports gear! Actually I never liked her shoes because they were usually too narrow.
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cjforJesus
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some new age channelers from the 1930s wrote this.It was supposedly from an entitiy call el moyra. These guys really like yoga too!
Maitreya wishes to hasten all. Maitreya wishes that all should be successfully accomplished. Maitreya wishes you joy. Maitreya wishes to grant to humanity a gift through the fiery experience of AGNI YOGA. Maitreya wishes to transform life on Earth in the radiance of the Mother of the World. Yes, yes, yes! The beauty of life is limitless! Hierarchy (1931) - 8.
Each Lord has his keynote. The Epoch of Maitreya proclaims woman. The manifestation of Maitreya is linked with the confirmation of the Mother of the World, in the past, present, and future. The “Book of Life” is so beautiful. Hierarchy (1931) - 13.
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OurLadysServant
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FACT: yoga is a false religion predating Christianity. The poses and mantras seek to unite with the yoga deity, and much of the mantras are heresy to catholic doctrine. Why say mantras that are heresy prayers as a catholic and that call out to the spiritual world for spirits to unite with you? Calling out to the spiritual world works, look at the new age ‘healers’, ouiji I board, etc… The western world may say yoga is an exercise, no, it’s a religion with mantras that are heresy for a catholic to say, inviting spirits to yoke with you.
FACT: The Vatican document says eastern meditation and new age are incompatible with Christianity as a spiritual path, it’s sensations cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
A Muslim may find God in the Muslim faith. The church teaches that other faiths may find God, but nowhere does it say catholics should find God in other faiths. And I cannot think of one Pope, canonised church approved Mystic, private revelation, saint, that tells catholics to find our Triune God outside of the catholic faith.
The document does not say a Catholic should seek our Triune God in other religions. ‘Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.’
Wearing Nike isn’t a prayer to false spirits to ‘yoke’ with you.
Yoga is a religion invented for spirits to unite with you.
If people want to exercise -pick something that’s not an ancient religion predating Hinduism with mantras to unite with the yoga diety (mantras that are heretical for a catholic to say) and do poses that were invented to spiritual unite with this yoga diety. Jog on the spot. Lift weights. Do push ups. Do sit ups. Don’t do movements and words of a religion that’s actions and words and purpose are to unite with the Brahmen spirit. Thou shall not have strange gods before me.
The Vatican article says Hinduism and new age is not compatible with Christianity as a spiritual path. It also said the peace from them cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
So your contradicting arguments: that the exercises can be used without the mantras, the yoga mantras cannot be said by catholics: the mantras are heresy for a catholic -I am the Universal Being (we are all God?) heresy, I bow to the Divine in You (the apostles refused to let anyone now to them, even the angels in the bible refuse to let people now to them,) only God is Divine, why say yoga mantra prayers that are heresy to catholicism and seek to yoke with spirits (that’s the reason the yoga prayers were invented), yoga mantras are efforts to unite with Brahmen the yoga deity (not Yahweh). We are already temples of the Holy Spirit and Eucharist lets Jesus live in us.
Can committing adultery be seperated from the Commandment against the sin of adultery?
Can using the ouiji board be seperated from the Commandment against the sin of not to have strange gods before me?
The action cannot be seperated from the sin.
The Vatican said SOME aspects MAY be useful for man. It did not say useful for catholics. It said it is INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity as a spiritual path.
One of your posts said that people can find God in yoga. That is against the Vatican document which said that these new age and eastern meditations are INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity as a spiritual path. That it cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
FACT: The Vatican document says eastern meditation and new age are incompatible with Christianity as a spiritual path, it’s sensations cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
A Muslim may find God in the Muslim faith. The church teaches that other faiths may find God, but nowhere does it say catholics should find God in other faiths. And I cannot think of one Pope, canonised church approved Mystic, private revelation, saint, that tells catholics to find our Triune God outside of the catholic faith.
The document does not say a Catholic should seek our Triune God in other religions. ‘Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.’
Wearing Nike isn’t a prayer to false spirits to ‘yoke’ with you.
Yoga is a religion invented for spirits to unite with you.
If people want to exercise -pick something that’s not an ancient religion predating Hinduism with mantras to unite with the yoga diety (mantras that are heretical for a catholic to say) and do poses that were invented to spiritual unite with this yoga diety. Jog on the spot. Lift weights. Do push ups. Do sit ups. Don’t do movements and words of a religion that’s actions and words and purpose are to unite with the Brahmen spirit. Thou shall not have strange gods before me.
The Vatican article says Hinduism and new age is not compatible with Christianity as a spiritual path. It also said the peace from them cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
So your contradicting arguments: that the exercises can be used without the mantras, the yoga mantras cannot be said by catholics: the mantras are heresy for a catholic -I am the Universal Being (we are all God?) heresy, I bow to the Divine in You (the apostles refused to let anyone now to them, even the angels in the bible refuse to let people now to them,) only God is Divine, why say yoga mantra prayers that are heresy to catholicism and seek to yoke with spirits (that’s the reason the yoga prayers were invented), yoga mantras are efforts to unite with Brahmen the yoga deity (not Yahweh). We are already temples of the Holy Spirit and Eucharist lets Jesus live in us.
Can committing adultery be seperated from the Commandment against the sin of adultery?
Can using the ouiji board be seperated from the Commandment against the sin of not to have strange gods before me?
The action cannot be seperated from the sin.
The Vatican said SOME aspects MAY be useful for man. It did not say useful for catholics. It said it is INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity as a spiritual path.
One of your posts said that people can find God in yoga. That is against the Vatican document which said that these new age and eastern meditations are INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity as a spiritual path. That it cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit.
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Lost_Wanderer
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It’s invoking her name all the same. By your logic, it should be as much a prayer as a yoga pose. Otherwise, it only means you’re trying to control this debate with bare assertions.
Thanks for proving my point.
Because really, by your reasoning also means that cosplaying as a ninja or a miko means you’re worshiping Shinto kami.
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Michael_Mayo
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You are actually wearing that false spirit’s name. That’s no yoke?
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Mystical_Seeker
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Beware of the United States of America’s “dollar bill.” It has secret anti-Catholic messages that people will pass around to others without even noticing what they are doing. 
This phenomenon goes on every day in every state, city, and neighborhood across the nation, not to mention many places overseas.
http://5dollarbill.com/images/pyramid.jpg
If you use the dollar bill, it could lead you seriously astray. It boldly displays, seemingly without any shame, the Eye of the Providence, an important symbol in Freemasonry. Even though you may think you are just buying a piece of candy with it, but you are also distributing sacred literature on their behalf. :tsktsk:
Note what goes for art, to the Freemasons. Too bad they didn’t use this for the whole back of the bill – that way people might be more likely to notice that when they spend the bill, they are promoting evil.
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/im...wiecki-eye-of-providence-art-poster-print.jpg
So if you spend a dollar bill, you are joining the Freemasons in worship, using their symbolic tools. :bigyikes:
In the form of analogy, Catholics : Rosary :: Freemasons : $1 Bill.
No wonder there is so much talk about worshiping the “Almighty Dollar.”
Use credit cards? No problem – you can always wear the ring.
This phenomenon goes on every day in every state, city, and neighborhood across the nation, not to mention many places overseas.
http://5dollarbill.com/images/pyramid.jpg
If you use the dollar bill, it could lead you seriously astray. It boldly displays, seemingly without any shame, the Eye of the Providence, an important symbol in Freemasonry. Even though you may think you are just buying a piece of candy with it, but you are also distributing sacred literature on their behalf. :tsktsk:
Note what goes for art, to the Freemasons. Too bad they didn’t use this for the whole back of the bill – that way people might be more likely to notice that when they spend the bill, they are promoting evil.
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/im...wiecki-eye-of-providence-art-poster-print.jpg
So if you spend a dollar bill, you are joining the Freemasons in worship, using their symbolic tools. :bigyikes:
In the form of analogy, Catholics : Rosary :: Freemasons : $1 Bill.
No wonder there is so much talk about worshiping the “Almighty Dollar.”
Use credit cards? No problem – you can always wear the ring.
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Michael_Mayo
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We probabaly ought to change some of the names of days of the week also.
Tuesday is the first to be named after a Germanic god – Tiu (or Twia) – a god of war and the sky and associated with the Norse god Tyr, who was a defender god in Viking mythology. Tiu is associated with Mars. He is usually shown with only one hand. In the most famous myth about Týr he placed his hand between the jaws of the wolf Fenrir as a mark of good faith while the other gods, pretending to play, bound the wolf. When Fenrir realised he had been tricked he bit off Tyr’s hand.
Wednesday means “Woden’s Day” (in Norse, ‘Odin’), the Old Norse’s equivalent to Mercury, who was the messenger to the gods and the Roman god of commerce, travel and science. He was considered the chief god and leader of the wild hunt in Anglo-Saxon mythology, but the name directly translated means “violently insane headship” – not exactly the name of a loving and kind god! Woden was the ruler of Asgard, the hoe of the gods, and is able to shift and change into different forms.
Thursday was “Thor’s Day”, named after the Norse god of thunder and lightning and is the Old Norse equivalent to Jupiter. Thor is often depicted holding a giant hammer and during the 10th and 11th centuries when Christians tried to convert the Scandinavians, many wore emblems of Thor’s hammer as a symbol of defiance against the new religion.
Friday is associated with Freya, the wife of Woden and the Norse goddess of love, marriage and fertility, who is equivalent to Venus, the Roman goddess of love.
Lastly, Saturday derives from “Saturn’s Day”, a Roman god associated with wealth, plenty and time. It is the only English week-day still associated with a Roman god, Saturn. The Hebrews called Saturday the “Sabbath”, meaning, day of rest. The Bible identifies Saturday as the last day of the week.
ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/pagan-gods-and-naming-days-001037
Tuesday is the first to be named after a Germanic god – Tiu (or Twia) – a god of war and the sky and associated with the Norse god Tyr, who was a defender god in Viking mythology. Tiu is associated with Mars. He is usually shown with only one hand. In the most famous myth about Týr he placed his hand between the jaws of the wolf Fenrir as a mark of good faith while the other gods, pretending to play, bound the wolf. When Fenrir realised he had been tricked he bit off Tyr’s hand.
Wednesday means “Woden’s Day” (in Norse, ‘Odin’), the Old Norse’s equivalent to Mercury, who was the messenger to the gods and the Roman god of commerce, travel and science. He was considered the chief god and leader of the wild hunt in Anglo-Saxon mythology, but the name directly translated means “violently insane headship” – not exactly the name of a loving and kind god! Woden was the ruler of Asgard, the hoe of the gods, and is able to shift and change into different forms.
Thursday was “Thor’s Day”, named after the Norse god of thunder and lightning and is the Old Norse equivalent to Jupiter. Thor is often depicted holding a giant hammer and during the 10th and 11th centuries when Christians tried to convert the Scandinavians, many wore emblems of Thor’s hammer as a symbol of defiance against the new religion.
Friday is associated with Freya, the wife of Woden and the Norse goddess of love, marriage and fertility, who is equivalent to Venus, the Roman goddess of love.
Lastly, Saturday derives from “Saturn’s Day”, a Roman god associated with wealth, plenty and time. It is the only English week-day still associated with a Roman god, Saturn. The Hebrews called Saturday the “Sabbath”, meaning, day of rest. The Bible identifies Saturday as the last day of the week.
ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/pagan-gods-and-naming-days-001037
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As the ‘Christ’ of the hugely popular “A Course in Miracles” the God of forces states that there is an “irresistible Force” within each person, a universal Force that when activated grants unimaginable psychic powers, even immortality. The ‘Christ’ tells New Age leader Barbara Marx Hubbard that on the day of Planetary Pentecost a Planetary Smile will flash across the faces of all people who have accepted the Luciferian Initiation. There will be “uncontrollable joy” that the ‘Christ’ describes as the “joy of Force” that will “ripple” through the one body of humanity. ("False Christ Coming: Does Anybody Care? Warren B. Smith, p. 120)
The God of forces who is the serpent power worshipped by mankind from antiquity, the god of Gnostic Masonry, the seething energies of Lucifer, the serpent power of Kundalini yoga, the body of the occult Tree of Life, the Cosmic Spirit of the universe, the Singularity and the Collective who represents self-generation and evolution through its own creative power poses a question to his enthralled worshippers,
“What if I am not a ‘man’ at all, but rather a Force, an 'Energy” in the universe, that IS the universe, and that is, in fact, All That Is. What if I am The Collective?" (“God” in Conversations with God: Book 3, p. 125, Neale Donald Walsh, ibid Warren B. Smith, p. 122)
Tragically, many people today, including growing numbers of Christians, are being seduced by an occult planetary mythology that grew out of the Renaissance and maintains that man is not fallen, that he is ultimately perfectible through a process of evolution and that through leaps of consciousness he can realize that he is God. The common thread among all occult Hermetic science, secret societies and esoteric teachings since the Renaissance is a single mind directing the formation of the new religious consciousness. It is the mind of the same fallen angel who tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden with the words, “Ye shall be as Gods.” (Gen. 3:5)- Linda Kimball
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Lost_Wanderer
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Yet the Bible itself says we’re made in God’s image and likeness already.
Camp Spiritual Warfare dictates that’s just another way New Agers twist scripture but don’t they twist just as badly?
“Oh it doesn’t really mean we’re awesome people. Oh no. We’re second-placers. Always have been. Have your gruel and eat it. You don’t deserve better than the pathetic existence that is your zero-hood because of the sinner that you are. And if you are holy, you should have even less!!”
Yeah. With messaging like that, it’s no wonder New Agers get more customers these days. Depression is bad enough with Churches preaching that kind of ‘gospel.’
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Generally, even Raja Yoga and many others kinds of spiritual Yoga are atheistic (though not materialistic) in their roots because Patanjali in many ways continued atheistic teaching of Samkhia. The latter was connected with separation Purusa (soul, and in many ways individual soul) from body and liquidation of physical or spiritual sufferings. The strong atheistic character of Yoga are affirmed some Indian authors as well as that Patanjali’s God Isvara is not an object of worship. It is unlikely to make Yoga always similar to mysticism as it is done by many Catholic theologians. Many eastern philosophical and spiritual psycothechniques’ concepts doesn’t have their equivalents in western phylosophical and Theological systems. So, even Raja Yoga may be used only for lessenig or liquidation souls’ dependence on the body but not to the mystical Christian practices. The Catholic morality of latter issue is the matter of longer disputes and discussions. Raja yoga still stresses more on onthological (not moral or religious as in the case of Catholic mysticism) developpment of soul (super thinking, super power of will etc.). It makes it something similar to Stoic natural asceticism with its need to gain apatheia and to liquidate the physical pain sensitivity). In many ways the Yoga as philosophical system and psycophysical exercises’ structure may be very pluralistic and without any unchangeable characteristics.
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