But, if one has their life centered around Christ the force is no longer “unknown”.
I do not believe that to be true because God is not some impersonal force that resides in our bottoms and can be coaxed out through exercise and breathing techniques. That just is absurd. This unknown force can also be supposedly aroused using a “left hand path” involving ritualistic sodomy,and sex with someone already awakened! NOT FROM GOD,in my opinion.
Do you work hard at seemingly deliberately trying to miss the point or does it come so naturely you don’t even recognize or see that you are doing it?
Nothing except that it rhymes. Just ‘ego’ checking to see that my posts were showing up on the thread.
Simple,I sort of understand what you are saying,but I do not believe God is an impersonal force. Thats way too “Star Wars” and theologically incorrect from a Christian perspective.Do you work hard at seemingly deliberately trying to miss the point or does it come so naturely you don’t even recognize or see that you are doing it?
Let me see if I can explain better what I am trying to say.
To me, you are describing someone doing yoga who does not have thier Life centered around Christ and so the “force” is “unknown” and because of our fallen condition they twist it and influence it with thier sinfulness or allow themselves to be influenced by demonic forces to get the results you are speaking of.
If one does yoga with Christ centered in thier lives the force is known and one will not be so susceptible to influence it with thier fallen brokenness or demonic forces and will not get the results you are speaking of.
I believe God’s Grace will work in us through yoga just like His Grace works in us through out our every day lives. I beleive that when our lives are centered around Him it will influence the effects of His Grace in us and we will be able to see better and recognize and come to know this force and will not allow our broken sinfulness influence and twist it like you seem to be describing. In short, to me anyway, you are describing someone who is doing yoga without thier lives centered around Christ.
Anyway I’m just kind of sharring my rambling thoughts on this. As always I hope it makes some sence.
Well, I do believe that if one has Christ centered in thier lives then they must have a personal relationship with Him so I do not see how it could be considered an impersonal force.
I’m not totally sure I agree with this. I really do beleive, and I am not sure if I could explain it well, that Mysticism is very real. The first time I heard about it was from a self professed Mystic. I just took it to mean that they thought about things like God and our relationship with Him and with each other. I never really looked at the specifics of it and really did not understand it. It was not untill I came to CAF and learned about St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross and I beleive it is St. John Demascas and the Lader of. Divine Ascent that. I finally understood or got an idea of what this person was referring to. So this is how I got my understanding of how we can start our Divine Ascent but the more Centered it is around Jesus Christ, God the more clearly we will understand or get the fullness of Truth as to what and who The Force is and how we relate to Him. Chakras, to me anyway, seems like it is some ones attempt to explain the Ladder of Divine ascent or St. Teresa’s Mansions without being centered on Christ. So can one take this practice of chakras and center it around Christ? I do beleive that through His Grace they could. But in doing this I also beleive one might be “creating” or “coming up” with something deeper than it started out as so it may not even be considered Yoga anymore.
The obsession with mysticism in our modern culture is very disturbing. St John of the Cross said people seeking a mystical experience may find it because lucifer is ever willing to try to mimic God. God is NOT an impersonal force and you must have a personal relationship with Jesus to understand this.What you seem to be leaning toward is pantheistic.Well, I do believe that if one has Christ centered in thier lives then they must have a personal relationship with Him so I do not see how it could be considered an impersonal force.
As an aside to it being too Star Wars for you and being a Star Wars fan myself I never took The Force I believe you are referring to as being impersonal. I thought it was portrayed as being a very living force full of life and emotion. Bothe good and bad being portrayed as Light and Darkness. But I won’t go into details on this thread as to why so as not to derail the thread.
I’m not totally sure I agree with this. I really do beleive, and I am not sure if I could explain it well, that Mysticism is very real. The first time I heard about it was from a self professed Mystic. I just took it to mean that they thought about things like God and our relationship with Him and with each other. I never really looked at the specifics of it and really did not understand it. It was not untill I came to CAF and learned about St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross and I beleive it is St. John Demascas and the Lader of. Divine Ascent that. I finally understood or got an idea of what this person was referring to. So this is how I got my understanding of how we can start our Divine Ascent but the more Centered it is around Jesus Christ, God the more clearly we will understand or get the fullness of Truth as to what and who The Force is and how we relate to Him. Chakras, to me anyway, seems like it is some ones attempt to explain the Ladder of Divine ascent or St. Teresa’s Mansions without being centered on Christ. So can one take this practice of chakras and center it around Christ? I do beleive that through His Grace they could. But in doing this I also beleive one might be “creating” or “coming up” with something deeper than it started out as so it may not even be considered Yoga anymore.
CjforJesus, do you always try to twist what people tell you they believe into what you project onto them to be believing?
No simple,I am just repeating what you seem to believe: That God has a light and dark side.That is not true because in Him there is NO darkness at all, The belief in an impersonal source or force is pantheistic.You go as far as to capitalize this force too,making it a kind of deity.
Repeating yourself to try and keep what you are projecting onto others what you beleive they beleive to make it “seem” real to you or others instead of listening to others to learn or understand what they really truly do beleive is not helping you understand what they are trying to help you understand. Or is that it? You have no desire to understand do you because some how you are convinced that you really do know better than them what they do or do not beleive? You know they have a name for that kind of thing. It’s called Gas Lighting. I know about it because it was how I was raised. I was taught that if someone said and did a,b, and c that it means they believe x,y, and z. Well guess what? I have been waking up to the reality that they were wrong and in a lot of cases a,b, and c actually means they beleive in l, m, n, o, and p.
Do you really only read or get out of what people say what you want? Did you miss the part were I said I did not want to get into the details of it so as not to derail the thread?
May God bless you also,simple.and thank you for the interesting chat. Please stay with the Church though and do not get discouraged.
Oh my goodness. I don’t know how you got the impression I was ever even considering leaving the Church but thank you for the advice and encouragement.
You are right that Mysticism is a gift from God and so is leading a spiritual and holy life. I beleive the more people have thier lives Centered around Jesus Christ the more they would see and understand this.
Amen! I agree with that 100%.See,I am not so difficult after all.You are right that Mysticism is a gift from God and so is leading a spiritual and holy life. I beleive the more people have thier lives Centered around Jesus Christ the more they would see and understand this.
Amen! I agree with that 100%.See,I am not so difficult after all.