Priest says there's no Santa during Epiphany Mass!

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OK, not calling anyone a liar here. I am just asking an objective question and I am looking for an objective answer. If your child opens a present on Christmas morning that is really from YOU and your child asks, “Is this present from Santa?” And you answer “Yes, it is from Santa.”

Is this or is it not a lie???
In our home, we have a Christmas morning rule. ALWAYS read the tag before opening. Previously, a few presents got opened by the wrong kid, spoiling the surprise a little.

And my kids have asked who it’s from. Not knowing from Mom or Dad or Uncle or Sister or Santa. And I always answer … “Well, who does it say it’s from?”

An objective answer. Just like a politician 😉
 
And on and on… yep, that’s me… a great big lyin’ old mom. :rolleyes:
Yup, and sounds like a wonderful Mom. I could not imagine any parent constantly telling the absolute factual truth without ‘bending’ it every now & then to provide what the kid needs … it would make a very frightening & sad childhood.

No, there wouldn’t be a childhood, as they would be always treated as adults.
 
I suppose YOU would insist it is? If so, then I lie to my little kids all the time:

You are the MOST beautiful princess in the WHOLE world! (to my 3 year old as she twirls in princess dress)
You are the smartest boy! (to her brother when he learned to tie his shoes)
I love you up to the moon and back. (have no idea how far that even is? And I no doubt love them more than that?)
There aren’t any sharks in that water! I promise you’ll be FINE! ****(To my 8 year old who was convinced she would get eaten alive by a shark in the Gulf of Mexico)
**Grandpa died and went to heaven **(never stepped foot in a church … no idea where he actually went but small children miss him terribly.)
**Where do babies come from? They come from God. How do they get in there? He puts them there. **
EAT your dinner… the starving children in Africa would love to have it! (Actually I’m not sure they’d like creamed corn any more than my kids do?)
Put your hat on… do you WANT to catch a cold? (actually I think the wearing or non-wearing of garments have nothing to do with it)
If you are nice to others, they will be nice to you. (Sooooo not always the case)
**Turn off the water… save some for the fish! **(what fish?)
Priests are holy men of God. (Sadly, not always)
**And to my sobbing 5 year old… I’m so scared Mommy… what if I get CANCER too? (her teacher had cancer) Don’t be silly… you will NOT get cancer… you do NOT need to worry about cancer. **(from my lips to God’s ears?)

And on and on… yep, that’s me… a great big lyin’ old mom. :rolleyes:
I know you love your children and want the best for them. Who doesn’t? This does not mean you have to tell children every detail of truth. Where do babies come from? They come from God. True statement without going into detail.

Most of the statements you listed are NOT lies. You will probably always think your daughter is the prettiest and your son is the smartest. You will probably always love your children to the moon and back. Actually, you do lose most of your body heat from your head if you don’t wear a hat. Telling your child they do not need to worry about cancer is not a lie. They really do NOT need to worry about it.

As for the statement of all priests being holy men of God. All you would have to do is say “almost all” priests and your statement would be totally true.

The myth of Santa Claus cannot be lumped into these other things you say out of LOVE for your children and help them to have healthy childhoods. How does Santa Claus help a child except by eventually breaking their heart and learning that they had been tricked? Just go around and ask all your adult friends how they felt when they found out Santa was a fake and they had been tricked for years.

The Catholic Church is based on Truth and Love. I am not trying to condemn anyone. I am just saying that to live in Truth and Love one must speak in truth and love as much as possible.
 
So far, I have YET to find the majority of children are heartbroken by finding out about Santa. I have been told by a few people that they were upset to find out, but I have yet to see a study that indicates that the majority of children led to believe in Santa are scarred and injured for life, or even heartbroken.

And I still think the priest had no business telling a congregation that included children that Santa is an invention of Coca Cola at Mass.
 
The myth of Santa Claus cannot be lumped into these other things you say out of LOVE for your children and help them to have healthy childhoods. How does Santa Claus help a child except by eventually breaking their heart and learning that they had been tricked?
Its the *way *you tell them. My heart was not broken, nor did I feel tricked when I learned. Same with my DW. I told my oldest, and by the *method *we told her, she still loves Santa, loves the myth & the spirit, and helps with the younger one.

The *way *my Pastor tried, that St Nick is not Santa and Santa is a marketing image, end of story … yup, that would break a kids heart & make them feel they’ve been tricked.
 
How does Santa Claus help a child except by eventually breaking their heart and learning that they had been tricked? Just go around and ask all your adult friends how they felt when they found out Santa was a fake and they had been tricked for years.
I have just asked my two oldest children if they were heartbroken to learn Santa wasn’t real. They literally laughed at me. They said they actually KNEW for several years that Santa wasn’t real but didn’t let on because they still wanted the present from him. LOL - smart kids?! 😃

I asked them if they had felted tricked or lied to? They looked at me like I was nuts. They both said believing in Santa was fun when they were little …like total make believe always is… but when they got a bit older and realized it just isn’t possible for one man to visit every home in 24 hours… and how does he even get in… we don’t have a chimney it all sort of fell apart. No big deal at all. THEN they both sheepishly admited that their next youngest sister admited this year that she doesn’t believe anymore but said “don’t tell Mommy beause it will hurt her feelings.” So much for heartbroken? She’s actually worried about breaking MY heart?!

So nope, I’m not saving for their post-tramatic-there is no Santa-therapy. 😛
 
PTSD = post traumatic Santa disorder? :rotfl:

Seems to me that childless drama queens come up with this stuff… :rolleyes:

This thread = :slapfight:
 
It isn’t even really a trick, such as those we used to play in the Navy on new sailors, sending them off for smoke benders and left-hand elbow wrenches, or sky hooks.
 
Just go around and ask all your adult friends how they felt when they found out Santa was a fake and they had been tricked for years.
If finding out Santa is a myth is so horrible and traumatic why on earth would be people continue the tradition? I never felt bad when I realized Santa was myth. I have talked with my friends, none of them had bad Santa experiences. I can tell you my husband wasn’t allowed to believe in Santa or any other mythical thing (Easter bunny ect) and it was not a positive experience for him.

My daughter believed a really long time. I think I did the Santa thing a bit too well but she a perfectly well adjusted 13 year old who wasn’t scarred for life. I think she was sad about giving up the magic of Santa -but she never said she felt tricked or lied to.
 
I love you up to the moon and back. (have no idea how far that even is? And I no doubt love them more than that?)
Since you asked, it’s on average 477,714 miles.

Presuming you drove that continuously at 75 miles per hour it’d take you 265.4 days.

I may love my kids more than that too, but the number of “are we there yets?” that would occur in a trip of that length would have my anger equalling my love:rolleyes:
 
Since you asked, it’s on average 477,714 miles.

Presuming you drove that continuously at 75 miles per hour it’d take you 265.4 days.

I may love my kids more than that too, but the number of “are we there yets?” that would occur in a trip of that length would have my anger equalling my love:rolleyes:
haha! I Love this post! 👍
 
This is one BIG reason we don’t do Santa. I couldn’t reconcile the Giving Tree, Toys for Tots, Salvation Army Pots–“Honey, we’re buying gifts/giving money for those who don’t have money to buy presents for their family”…“But won’t Santa bring them presents, haven’t they been good?”…ouch What’s the answer? Santa doesn’t bring stuff to poor people? Santa is mean? You can’t reconcile it and kids don’t stop asking (at least mine don’t…why? why? why?).
I see both sides of the ‘debate.’ This side is so very true…it saddens me when I think of kids who believe themselves to be good boys and girls, and yet they end up with nothing on Christmas, because mom and dad just don’t have the money…etc etc etc…

So, with your own kids…(you might have mentioned this already in this thread so forgive me for asking again lol)…do you mention St Nick…Santa, albeit in a different way? Or just keep the whole thing out of the Christmas season?
 
Sorry to drag this back up, but I read a very interesting article pertaining to this discussion, this is part of it:

New research from the Université de Montréal and the University of Ottawa indicates that children aren’t overly troubled upon learning that Santa is a myth. But the researchers remained puzzled because while children eventually abandon Santa, they keep believing in God.

catholiceducation.org/articles/civilization/298.htm
 
I see both sides of the ‘debate.’ This side is so very true…it saddens me when I think of kids who believe themselves to be good boys and girls, and yet they end up with nothing on Christmas, because mom and dad just don’t have the money…etc etc etc…

So, with your own kids…(you might have mentioned this already in this thread so forgive me for asking again lol)…do you mention St Nick…Santa, albeit in a different way? Or just keep the whole thing out of the Christmas season?
We celebrate St Nicholas day and with the older children, we talk about how Santa is “sort of” St Nicholas. We watch all the fun Santa videos and sing some Santa songs–because they are fun. We don’t wait up for Santa, Santa doesn’t bring their gifts or fill their stockings. Santa is a guy in a red suit who likes Christmas a lot, just like the Grinch is green and hates Christmas–until he learns what it means. It’s just stories. I think the oldest is the only one to ever have a picture with Santa, that was when he was 2 and before we had made a solid decision about Santa.
 
We celebrate St Nicholas day and with the older children, we talk about how Santa is “sort of” St Nicholas.
I keep bringing this up. (I don’t know why this is so important to me. My kids are all teenagers or beyond.) But it *is *important to me that Santa == St. Nicholas.

I guess I do know why it is important to me. I want non-Catholics and non-Christians to start associating Santa Claus with a bishop who gave gifts secretly. I guess I want to be a St.Nicholas evangelist.
 
I keep bringing this up. (I don’t know why this is so important to me. My kids are all teenagers or beyond.) But it *is *important to me that Santa == St. Nicholas.

I guess I do know why it is important to me. I want non-Catholics and non-Christians to start associating Santa Claus with a bishop who gave gifts secretly. I guess I want to be a St.Nicholas evangelist.
I agree with you. I hardly even say Santa, I almost always say St Nicholas when we see a man in a red suit 😉 . Our school recently had a fund raiser at Barnes and Nobles and we had St Nicholas there handing out prayer cards and candy canes (in public! 😃 ) and speaking about who St Nicholas is. If we ever hope to take back Christmas and Santa, we have to relate it to who Santa REALLY is–I guess all the North Pole, elves and such bug me more than anything anymore. I read the article posted and I don’t disagree that fairy tales and fantasy are important, but I think for various children it can be harmful to perpetuate the fantasy of Santa–maybe to excess or beyond when the child should be moving on. If the child is asking questions, perhaps that’s the time we need to move on to the next step–instead of “insisting” they believe…?
 
I keep bringing this up. (I don’t know why this is so important to me. My kids are all teenagers or beyond.) But it *is *important to me that Santa == St. Nicholas.

I guess I do know why it is important to me. I want non-Catholics and non-Christians to start associating Santa Claus with a bishop who gave gifts secretly. I guess I want to be a St.Nicholas evangelist.
I love St. Nicholas so much I have a genuine statue of him, one of those vintage ones from the 1950s. And I spend a good deal of Advent out St. Nicking people, esp. people who need help but don’t need to know from whence the help came.
 
I love St. Nicholas so much I have a genuine statue of him, one of those vintage ones from the 1950s. And I spend a good deal of Advent out St. Nicking people, esp. people who need help but don’t need to know from whence the help came.
I have been looking for my ideal St. Nicholas statue/figure for the last few years. It can be a statue or some kind of doll but I’d like it to be at least 12 inches tall and not cheesy looking.

I want one that has a Santa-ish look to it. …lots of red “fur” so people who see it think “Santa Claus” but it has to have a bishop’s miter and crosier so it’s obviously St. Nicholas. Years ago I think I saw some paper mache figures at Michael’s or some such place but at the time I couldn’t afford the $$$ they wanted for it. For that matter I don’t know that I can afford the money now.

A couple of years ago I saw just what I wanted online but my computer crashed before I could save the link to it. I had been following links from website to website and could never bring that site up doing a new search.

I wish I was the crafty type so I could make my own.
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled “No Santa during Epiphany Mass!” thread.
 
The one I got at St. Vincent de Paul is huge, a good 2 feet tall, with a curly white beard, but he’s not much on the ample size as far as weight goes. He might be considered a PC Santa if he hadn’t been manufactured in 1948.

The one I won at a work Holiday party awhile back is what you’re looking for.
 
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