Priest Suing NY, NJ, Archdioceses

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Ok, I want to know where they find this stuff, how they find it out, and, well, you just read from this website:

*The document issued by the Vatican rejecting homosexuality of seminarian candidates was issued for purposes of public relations. The Vatican continues to describe homosexuality as a mental disorder when **the *Vatican is aware that over two-thirds of bishops, priests and religious in the United States are homosexual and are living homosexual lives.

That was in a Michigan newspaper, online, and they have the author’s email address there at the bottom. It would be interesting, I think I’ll email him. It’s about a lawsuit a priest filed against the Diocese for *accusing them of doing nothing to stop clergy abuse and retaliating against him for helping victims. *(From article on same issue here).

Since when does “the Vatican” know that?

Truth or Dare?
 
Your information is not from a news article, but from a lawyer’s press release whose client has filed a lawsuit against several dioceses. This isn’t a very reliable source for your statistic.
 
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Your information is not from a news article, but from a lawyer’s press release whose client has filed a lawsuit against several dioceses. This isn’t a very reliable source for your statistic.
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Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering,… where did such a statistic come from? The article / lawsuit document states that it’s information the “Vatican knows.”

I’m not setting it forward as "this is true, haha " (I don’t think I would do that)… no, I’m asking, “where does this stuff come from?” Maybe from the Vatican?

Yeah, it’s originally from a lawyer’s statement, but it’s in the newspaper. So… where did the lawyer get it from.

Nobody here knows probably, but I’m going to email the newspaper dude next year… uh … next week!
 
While I was doing some browsing for something else, I came across this article, which is related to the “% of homosexual priests” issue this thread is about.

The article is here, the part I’m citing is towards the bottom of it.
RESEARCH
• It is impossible to know how many priests are homosexual. Estimates and studies put percentages as low as 10 percent and as high as 50 percent. Psychologist and priest Donald Cozzens, a Catholic seminary president who wrote *The Changing Face of the Priesthood: A Reflection on the Priest’s Crisis of Soul *(Liturgical Press, 2000) estimates as many as half are gay. The ReligiousTolerance.org article “Homosexual orientation among Roman Catholic seminarian students” includes a list of the primary people who study this question and their research.
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Also, I did email the newspaper man, and he wrote back just now and said he didn’t know any sources for such a statistic, and that he will ask the Fr. Hoatson guy who’s involved with that lawsuit business, and maybe he will know. I didn’t expect the newspaper man would know, since he was just quoting the text of the lawsuit.

-Rob
 
Hello,

Been a few days, but I’ve received an email from Fr. Bob Hoatson himself. The priest who is suing the archdioceses of New York andNewark.

He said that I should check out:

“The Bingo Report” which is a book connecting mandatory celibacy with sexual acting out by clergy and religious.

Also, Richard Sipe’s webpage.

So, there we go. I’ll probably look at that website some this week. I don’t know about the book, do I have to buy it? Oh trouble!
 
I’m still confused what you are implying. I know there is no connection between chastity and sexual deviancy. Common sense proves it, and studies prove it. The theory that created this myth was one called “catharsis theory”. It extends to many things, including violence in video games and television. People have theorised that when people act out violent things in video games, or watch violent media, there is a “cathartic” affect on them that releases their desire to do real damage to people. They can “act out” or purge themselves of the desires. This has been proven false many times. It does not purge them, but makes them more inclined to do bad things.
Same with sex. Sex does not have a purging affect. Maybe for a day or so. But afterwards, the craving comes back just as strong.
Studies have proven that celebacy does not lead to sexual deviancy.
Remember, every day thousands of children are abused by people who have sex all the time. Its called married heterosexual men, and practicing homosexuals.
 
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I’m still confused what you are implying. I know there is no connection between chastity and sexual deviancy.
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I apologize. I never meant to imply anything. Actually, I tried to make that clear in post #3. However, I’ll reiterate what I’m asking>

Where does this statistic come from?

That’s my question. Fr. Bob Hoatson has recommended that website and that book for information. Which is probably the best answer I’m going to get, so I’ll be happy with that.
 
Alright. Sorry for the missunderstanding and for not being much help.
Patrick
 
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Alright. Sorry for the missunderstanding and for not being much help.
Patrick
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Hey, no problem. Just didn’t want you to think I was rantin an ravin

Very likely, the basis of those arguments in the links he gave me may indeed turn out to be close to what you criticized in your post.

Also, we have to remember, from the article, I think I posted it, anyways, it’s linked to on one of those links in opening thread, the Archdiocese has their arguments against this priest.

Who knows who will prevail. May the best team of secular lawyers prevail!! :mad: Isn’t that awful, that a priest feels he has to bring this out to the public to get resolved? I mean, he has his reasons, but the whole backdrop of the situation is… invidious!
 
That statistic is wrong. I have read numbers as high as 2/3. But the number that I’ve hearsd that is more likely is 10%. The article you posted is further wrong because it says they are not only homosexual, but “living homosexual lives”.
First of all, I find that hard to believe. Second, how would the Vatican ever know this, even if it was true? A lot of people suspect certain priests are gay, but it is few and far between that live openly gay lifestyles.
How would they ever know? From a poll? WHo’s going to answer “Yes I am a priest sworn to celibacy but I lead a gay life.”
No such poll has been done.
From hearsay? If so, then hearsay isn’t journalism and that journalist should be fired.
Either way you shouldn’t believe it, or worry about it.
 
Sorry, its a lawyer I see saying this. He shouldn’t be fired, he’s just doing his job and being inflamitory.
Patrick
 
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Sorry, its a lawyer I see saying this. He shouldn’t be fired, he’s just doing his job and being inflamitory.
Patrick
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Whatever makes for publicity, right?

Yeah, I thought 2/3 was very high, outrageously high.
 
Yea. Journalists, sadly, do this to. But we tend to hold each other accountable to a degree. Lawyers have no such way of doing this.
Patrick
 
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